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Now you are saying that Hell would serve as such a waiting room.
That's right.

They'd be in that waiting room today, awaiting being let out to stand before God at the Great White Throne Judgment, whereupon they will be sent back to that room and the room will be tossed into Lake Phlogiston.
 
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That's right.

They'd be in that waiting room today, awaiting being let out to stand before God at the Great White Throne Judgment, whereupon they will be sent back to that room and the room will be tossed into Lake Phlogiston.

So you were wrong when you said:

Had God done it your way and blinked them out of existence, the lost would have been on the face of the earth one instance and in Hell the next.

But by sending a flood, it gave them a chance to repent of their evil deeds and cry out for salvation as the waters rose.
 
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Yes, it was a miracle.
It feels good to deny the Bible, doesn't it?

Even if you have to sound foolish to do it.

I think the Bible calls that a "foolish heart."
 
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It feels good to deny the Bible, doesn't it?

Even if you have to sound foolish to do it.

I think the Bible calls that a "foolish heart."
You, like the Bible, claim whole-cloth fabrications. Not one of your absurd assertions can be backed with anything that remotely comports with reality. I don’t care what the Bible calls it, but over here in reality, w call it delusional.
 
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I don’t care what the Bible calls it, but over here in reality, w call it delusional.
Ya -- Heaven forbid "cause and effect" should come to mind.

You guys turn your scientific method on and off like a water faucet; and frankly, I think you guys bring disgrace to science.

While trying to make it look like BMOC, you guys make it look despicable.
 
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Ya -- Heaven forbid "cause and effect" should come to mind.

You guys turn your scientific method on and off like a water faucet; and frankly, I think you guys bring disgrace to science.

While trying to make it look like BMOC, you guys make it look despicable.
Yes, go on...
 
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Yes, go on...
... thank you.

Educatees:

1. Turn science on and off like it's a light switch.
2. Throw the baby out with the bathwater.
3. Run on the No True Scotsman Principle.
4. Target Christianity for ridicule.
5. Deny any involvement in tragedies associated with misapplied scientific principles.
6. Preach "consensus of opinion" while rigging votes behind closed doors.
7. Bring Christianity down, while elevating false religions.
8. Demand evidence for things that didn't generate any.
9. Worship nature.
 
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... thank you.

Educatees:

1. Turn science on and off like it's a light switch.
2. Throw the baby out with the bathwater.
3. Run on the No True Scotsman Principle.
4. Target Christianity for ridicule.
5. Deny any involvement in tragedies associated with misapplied scientific principles.
6. Preach "consensus of opinion" while rigging votes behind closed doors.
7. Bring Christianity down, while elevating false religions.
8. Demand evidence for things that didn't generate any.
9. Worship nature.
Just nine, Av? C'mon, you can do better than that!
 
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1. Turn science on and off like it's a light switch.
AFAIK, people are perpetually sciencing.
2. Throw the baby out with the bathwater.
Only if it's a baby croccoduck, then absolutely.
3. Run on the No True Scotsman Principle.
A concept all True Christians understand completely.
4. Target Christianity for ridicule.
Well, to be fair, it's what I know best. But don't despair Av, if I was a former Mormon, I'd target that instead.
5. Deny any involvement in tragedies associated with misapplied scientific principles.
Fake news.
6. Preach "consensus of opinion" while rigging votes behind closed doors.
“The best books... are those that tell you what you know already.”
Bring Cristianity down, while elevating false religions.
We shouldn't "elevate" any religion, to be fair.
8. Demand evidence for things that didn't generate any.
Crazy, huh.
9. Worship nature.
 
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Um ... that fight was rigged.

The Asian won it with the Hundred Hand Slap, which was a feature of E. Honda, the sumo wrestler.

(If my memory serves me correctly.)
 
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Oh my God. Do you even have a concept of what the difference is between creation and using what already was created is?????
Have you grasped the concept of reading a post?
It may have been unintentional but you did it and gave Bible verses to support this: God doesn't create ex nihilo anymore.
Thus God did not zap flood water out of nowhere or zap them back into nowhere.
We can fantasize that God zapped the water to and from physical sources of water, e.g. there is plenty in the comets.
The Bible according to AV1611VET states that God stopped creating things out of nothing. Thus God cannot have created the flood waters out of nothing and we have may have doubts abut returning the flood waters to nothing. So God must have got the water from somewhere.
Personally, I believe that people who have faith in an all-powerful God should not assume that there are limits on the power even if written in the Bible.

Justatruthseeker, a rhetorical question: Do you think God is not powerful enough to keep track of every atom of added flood water and remove those added atoms? The answer is no, an all-powerful God can do that. So God can get water from any source and remove it leaving the oceans as is. That leaves comets and rocky asteroids as credible sources. For that matter why restrict God's powers to the Solar system? There is water in interstellar space. Exoplanets exist. etc.
Also, why restrict God's powers to comets incompatible with Earth's oceans when we know that Kuiper Belt comet 103P/Hartley 2 matched our oceans?

Rocky asteroids, I'd laugh if it wasn't so pathetic.
26 July 2018 Justatruthseeker: An ignorant statement about a Most of Earth's Water Came from Asteroids, Not Comets article
Read what you cite:
"Today's asteroids have very little water — that's clear," Altwegg added. "But that was probably not always the case. During the Late Heavy Bombardment 3.8 billion years ago, at that time, asteroids could have had much more water than they could now." [Comet Quiz: How much do you know about comets?]

The asteroids seen now "have stayed in the vicinity of the sun for 4.6 billion years," Altwegg said. "They've lost water due to the sun, due to heat. But to start with, they might have had much more water than they have now." Future analysis of ice-rich bodies in the asteroid belt could shed light on whether Earth's water really did come from there, Altwegg said.
The oceans from asteroids theory is not about todays asteroids, it is about asteroids shortly after the formation of the Solar System.
 
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Oh yes, because of course water bursting forth at a rate enough to flood the earth would surely be accompanied by no tectonic activity....
25 July 2018 Justatruthseeker: A lie about water "bursting forth" as from tectonic activity in the Bible.
The lie was about the contents of the Bible. The Bible does not state water from the depths of the Earth as in your fantasy. Compounding this with a Biblical lie by omission by ignoring your tectonic activity does not help.
 
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25 July 2018 Justatruthseeker: A lie about water "bursting forth" as from tectonic activity in the Bible.
The lie was about the contents of the Bible. The Bible does not state water from the depths of the Earth as in your fantasy. Compounding this with a Biblical lie by omission by ignoring your tectonic activity does not help.

The Bible states exactly that. Your attempt at lying about things is shown as the lie it is.

http://biblehub.com/interlinear/genesis/7-11.htm

Not that I expect someone suffering from cognitive dissonance to understand.

http://biblehub.com/hebrew/1234.htm

"baqa: to cleave, break open or through"
 
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Only to people who do not try to learn what the Hebrew ṯə·hō·wm means. http://biblehub.com/interlinear/genesis/7-11.htm has a link to the concordance for "ṯə·hō·wm" (deep). Plenty of water contexts with others.

BibleHub has tehom: deep, sea, abyss

In English, the translation to deep is obviously a reference to oceans.

Ahhh, so now all the springs, or sources for the sea, burst forth or through or cleaved open?

We agree that the source of the earth's oceans are belowground springs from the ringwoodite layer. As we have already shown your comet theory has been falsified to the point they desperately turn to rocky asteroids to avoid the truth....
 
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Well your speed claims are being falsified every time we look
26 July 2018 Justatruthseeker: A lie that I stated that everything was happening at the rate predicted by plate tectonics.
My claim is that you have an ignorant fantasy about oceans worth of water 400 miles below the surface. You have oceans passing through that 400 miles of rock and emerging. You have this happening within 40 days to create the Biblical flood. You have the same amount of water passing through back through those 400 miles.
25 July 2018 Justatruthseeker: An ignorant fantasy that water 400 miles underground below the surface somehow got to the surface (within 40 days :doh:!) and then vanished back through 400 miles underground of rock.

My evidence against that claim is that (todays) tectonic movements are not at speeds of ~10 miles a day. I have not seen any evidence of past tectonic movements with that speed.
 
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Reality Check, for the record, I believe the water came back from outer space, where it had been taken on Day Two of the creation week.

Genesis 1:6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
Genesis 1:7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

Genesis 1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

See that part I highlighted in red?

I believe those waters were taken either to the moon, or to Mars, then brought back to Earth during the Flood.

After the Flood, they were ordered to go to siphoning points to be siphoned off the Earth and ... in my opinion ... taken to Neptune.

Psalm 104:5 Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever.
Psalm 104:6 Thou coveredst it with the deep as with a garment: the waters stood above the mountains.
Psalm 104:7 At thy rebuke they fled; at the voice of thy thunder they hasted away.
Psalm 104:8 They go up by the mountains; they go down by the valleys unto the place which thou hast founded for them.


On their way to their respective siphoning points, they etched into the Earth serpentine paths ... known today as "meandering rivers" ... that speak of the Serpent (Satan) as having been the reason for God sending the Flood.

Any questions?
 
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