Does this scripture refute OSAS? [Updated]

[JakeyB123]

200 verses appear to say one can lose their salvation.....400 say you can’t......take your pick , but be aware that all the anti OSAS verses are either takeen out of context or are not addressing The Body of Christ

Let's see those 400 that say you can't

 

[Blood Bought 1953]

Let's see those 400 that say you can't

Google it.....I am a lazy man....lol

 

[JakeyB123]

Google it.....I am a lazy man....lol

There's not any - message me if you really do have some and I'll become a believer of OSAS. That goes to anyone - but as of now I do not believe it. If you know the Bible and you have the Holy Spirit and believe OSAS, message me

 

[JIMINZ]

There's not any - message me if you really do have some and I'll become a believer of OSAS. That goes to anyone - but as of now I do not believe it. If you know the Bible and you have the Holy Spirit and believe OSAS, message me

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This was your initial question, which I answered in my post to you #2
as to date I have not received a reply.

Please explain to me if this supports OSAS somehow, or it simply refutes it.
The scripture is Matthew 24:48-51 KJV
Matthew 24:48-51 King James Version (KJV)

Now here you are 283 posts later refuting what people have supplied to you in support of OSAS.
Sounds as though you have you mind settled on NO OSAS, is that a true assessment of your belief at this point?

 

[JakeyB123]

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This was your initial question, which I answered in my post to you #2
as to date I have not received a reply.




Now here you are 283 posts later refuting what people have supplied to you in support of OSAS.
Sounds as though you have you mind settled on NO OSAS, is that a true assessment of your belief at this point?

I just saw your post brother in Christ. Amen!

 

[Butch5]

200 verses appear to say one can lose their salvation.....400 say you can’t......take your pick , but be aware that all the anti OSAS verses are either takeen out of context or are not addressing The Body of Christ

Actually, I submit that it's the other way around. There is not a single passage of Scripture that states one cannot lose salvation. Every time a passage is put forth it's either out of context or an inference that is drawn from the passage. On the other hand there are passages that state plainly that some stop believing and some who turn away.

 

[Dan the deacon]

It is so good not to be a Calvinist or an Armenian. On earth all are able to lose salvation or keep it. After the judgement when we are finally free of our sinful flesh then we can say once saved always saved as only then is this complete. Our flesh persist on hoping we choose sin rather than Christ. Choose Christ.

 

[BNR32FAN]

200 verses appear to say one can lose their salvation.....400 say you can’t......take your pick , but be aware that all the anti OSAS verses are either takeen out of context or are not addressing The Body of Christ

The scriptures are not contradicting each other and those aren’t accurate numbers at all. There are actually more verses pertaining to loss of salvation than eternal salvation. Pretty much every verse pertaining to loss of salvation can only apply to believers and not nonbelievers because nonbelievers don’t qualify for salvation in the first place. Also none of the early churches taught eternal salvation. Was all of Christianity wrong for the first 1500 years or was the message later corrupted? We’re the men taught by the apostles wrong and then 1500 years later someone finally got it right?

 

[Oldmantook]

1) You make it sound as though from the moment of your Salvation you have been looking for a way out of it.

2) If you read very carefully, you will see, there is no mention of a branch breaking or pruning itself off of the vine, no not at all, this is because, the husbandman is the one who does the pruning of the branches, and he prunes the ones that have produced fruit, that they would produce even more fruit, then He cuts off those unproductive branches and has them cast into the fire.

The branch can only abide in the vine until the husbandman either prunes it, or removes it.

All believers have a choice whether to obey God or not. Belief (Jn 3:16) and obedience (Heb 5:9) are required for eternal life. Some Christians choose to obey while others choose not to and remain in their sin. Some Christians choose to continue to abide in Christ while others choose to no longer abide in Christ. Those that no longer abide - no longer have eternal life - and are thrown into the fire (Jn 15:6).

 

[Oldmantook]

I would add that it is impossible for a believer to abide also. No matter how hard we try or how often we succeed we will all ultimately fail.

So what is the purpose of God's grace bestowed to the believer? Is it not grace to enable the believer to abide in Christ? It's not your strength. It's the strength of God supplied through God's grace which enables you to abide in Him.

 

[Oldmantook]

200 verses appear to say one can lose their salvation.....400 say you can’t......take your pick , but be aware that all the anti OSAS verses are either takeen out of context or are not addressing The Body of Christ

So...assuming you are a genuine believer. Would you say that YOU can receive the mark of the beast and still not lose YOUR salvation since once saved always saved?

 

[JIMINZ]

1) You make it sound as though from the moment of your Salvation you have been looking for a way out of it.

2) If you read very carefully, you will see, there is no mention of a branch breaking or pruning itself off of the vine, no not at all, this is because, the husbandman is the one who does the pruning of the branches, and he prunes the ones that have produced fruit, that they would produce even more fruit, then He cuts off those unproductive branches and has them cast into the fire.

The branch can only abide in the vine until the husbandman either prunes it, or removes it.

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That's right ignore my post, don't speak to the things I said, just post more nonsense.

 

[Oldmantook]

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That's right ignore my post, don't speak to the things I said, just post more nonsense.

If you don't like it ignore it and don't provide a counterpoint as you have already done. Quite simple isn't it.

 

[BNR32FAN]

So what is the purpose of God's grace bestowed to the believer? Is it not grace to enable the believer to abide in Christ? It's not your strength. It's the strength of God supplied through God's grace which enables you to abide in Him.

I’m sorry friend I’m not a Calvinist. I believe in free will. We are called by God but we must make the choice to follow or not. Of what you say is true then God is ultimately responsible for everyone who will burn in the lake of fire for all eternity. That would be an unjust God and not a loving God because it wouldn’t be fair to those whom He didn’t choose.

 

[Oldmantook]

I’m sorry friend I’m not a Calvinist. I believe in free will. We are called by God but we must make the choice to follow or not. Of what you say is true then God is ultimately responsible for everyone who will burn in the lake of fire for all eternity. That would be an unjust God and not a loving God because it wouldn’t be fair to those whom He didn’t choose.

What does Calvinism have to do with anything as we are discussing grace. People have the choice whether to abide in God or not. Choices have consequences. If you take the mark of the beast, will you still be saved??

 

[JIMINZ]

What does Calvinism have to do with anything as we are discussing grace. People have the choice whether to abide in God or not. Choices have consequences. If you take the mark of the beast, will you still be saved??

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When you take the Mark of the Beast, will you take it in your hand, or proudly display it for all to see on you forehead?

At this time would you be saved or not?....Probably not right?....Free will an all.

 

[Oldmantook]

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When you take the Mark of the Beast, will you take it in your hand, or proudly display it for all to see on you forehead?

At this time would you be saved or not?....Probably not right?....Free will an all.

You didn't answer my question. I asked YOU IF YOU took the mark, would you still be saved. If you reply that you would not be saved if you took the mark then OSAS is obviously false. Still waiting for your answer.

 

[JIMINZ]

If you don't like it ignore it and don't provide a counterpoint as you have already done. Quite simple isn't it.

 

[Der Alte]

Google it.....I am a lazy man....lol

Which means you can't back up what you say.

 

[Oldmantook]

If you don't like it ignore it and don't provide a counterpoint as you have already done. Quite simple isn't it.

Glad to see you learned something today!