LDS What happens to ex-Mormon men?

[dzheremi]

It is not because their faith in the bible has been destroyed as you assume, it is because they can't accept the teachings of the other churches because they are foreign to the Bible. The Bible teaches people to KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS.

The Bible teaches to keep the commandments of God upon which hang all of the prophets and the law, as given to us by Jesus Christ (Matthew 22), Who fulfilled the law of Moses (Matthew 5, Romans 8). Mormonism teaches to keep the commandments of Joseph Smith, as given in your unrecognized canon of foreign, non-Biblical documents, which are alien to any kind of Christian faith. The Bible does not teach that, as Joseph Smith is a non-person, Biblically-speaking.

The two cannot be positively linked but by people who are trying to sell you on the latter.

 

[dzheremi]

This statement comes across as discounting every last Mormon who was murdered or otherwise died for their membership in the faith.

It's as if somehow we (collectively) don't count.

In terms of being martyrs for Christ, you can't really count for that unless you're Christians, which Mormons aren't, so she's not wrong, if that's even what she was trying to say (though I'm not so sure that is the case; simply saying "Many have been martyred for Christ" is a comparison to the martyrdom Mormons faced for their Mormon faith, not a denial of it). Christians would similarly make lousy martyrs for Buddha, Muhammad, Confucius, etc.

 

[Rescued One]

It is not because their faith in the bible has been destroyed as you assume, it is because they can't accept the teachings of the other churches because they are foreign to the Bible. The Bible teaches people to KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS.

You don't know that. Mormons have been indoctrinated from early in life.


Hymn #301
1. I am a child of God,
And he has sent me here,
Has given me an earthly home
With parents kind and dear.

(Chorus)
Lead me, guide me, walk beside me,
Help me find the way.
Teach me all that I must do
To live with him someday.

2. I am a child of God,
And so my needs are great;
Help me to understand his words
Before it grows too late.

3. I am a child of God.
Rich blessings are in store;
If I but learn to do his will
I’ll live with him once more.

Text: Naomi W. Randall, 1908-2001. (c) 1957 IRI
Music: Mildred T. Pettit, 1895-1977. (c) 1957 IRI



Have the children stand and say, “(Name of the living prophet) is a prophet of God.”

• Why do we need a living prophet? (So we can know what Heavenly Father and Jesus want us to do.)

Explain that the prophet teaches us by speaking at conferences. Conferences are big meetings attended by a lot of people. We might be able to listen to the prophet on television, radio, or recordings. His words are also written in Church magazines that our parents or others can read to us.

https://www.lds.org/manual/primary-1/lesson-43?lang=eng

Children are taught the song Follow the Prophet.

Chorus:

1. Follow the prophet, follow the prophet,
2. Follow the prophet; don’t go astray
3. Follow the prophet, follow the prophet,
4. Follow the prophet; he knows the way.

https://www.lds.org/music/text/childrens-songbook/follow-the-prophet?lang=eng&_r=1

As they get older they are told that all other churches are wrong and told which of those doctrines are wrong.

 

[He is the way]

The Bible teaches to keep the commandments of God upon which hang all of the prophets and the law, as given to us by Jesus Christ (Matthew 22), Who fulfilled the law of Moses (Matthew 5, Romans 8). Mormonism teaches to keep the commandments of Joseph Smith, as given in your unrecognized canon of foreign, non-Biblical documents, which are alien to any kind of Christian faith. The Bible does not teach that, as Joseph Smith is a non-person, Biblically-speaking.

The two cannot be positively linked but by people who are trying to sell you on the latter.

Joseph Smith did not give us the commandments. Jesus Christ gave us the commandments. He wasn't kidding when He gave the sermon on the mount.

 

[He is the way]

You don't know that. Mormons have been indoctrinated from early in life.


Hymn #301
1. I am a child of God,
And he has sent me here,
Has given me an earthly home
With parents kind and dear.

(Chorus)
Lead me, guide me, walk beside me,
Help me find the way.
Teach me all that I must do
To live with him someday.

2. I am a child of God,
And so my needs are great;
Help me to understand his words
Before it grows too late.

3. I am a child of God.
Rich blessings are in store;
If I but learn to do his will
I’ll live with him once more.

Text: Naomi W. Randall, 1908-2001. (c) 1957 IRI
Music: Mildred T. Pettit, 1895-1977. (c) 1957 IRI



Have the children stand and say, “(Name of the living prophet) is a prophet of God.”

• Why do we need a living prophet? (So we can know what Heavenly Father and Jesus want us to do.)

Explain that the prophet teaches us by speaking at conferences. Conferences are big meetings attended by a lot of people. We might be able to listen to the prophet on television, radio, or recordings. His words are also written in Church magazines that our parents or others can read to us.

https://www.lds.org/manual/primary-1/lesson-43?lang=eng

Children are taught the song Follow the Prophet.

Chorus:

1. Follow the prophet, follow the prophet,
2. Follow the prophet; don’t go astray
3. Follow the prophet, follow the prophet,
4. Follow the prophet; he knows the way.

https://www.lds.org/music/text/childrens-songbook/follow-the-prophet?lang=eng&_r=1

As they get older they are told that all other churches are wrong and told which of those doctrines are wrong.

We are not taught the doctrines of other churches or which ones are wrong. We are taught the correct doctrines like keeping the commandments.

Children are also taught:

Jesus Said Love Everyone

Jesus said love ev’ryone;
Treat them kindly too.
When your heart is filled with love,
Others will love you.

Jesus Loved the Little Children
1. Jesus loved the little children,

1. Little ones like me.
   1. He would bless and help them
      1. And take them on his knee.

2. Many lovely things he taught them,
Things we all should do:
Love and help each other,
Be honest, kind, and true.


Love One Another

As I have loved you,
Love one another.
This new commandment:
Love one another.
By this shall men know
Ye are my disciples,
If ye have love
One to another.

Keep the Commandments

• 1. Keep the commandments;
  keep the commandments!

• In this there is safety;
  in this there is peace

• He will send blessings;

• He will send blessings.

• Words of a prophet:

• Keep the commandments.

• In this there is safety and peace.

• 2. We are His children;
  we are His children,

• and we must be tested
  to show we are true.

• Hold to His promises;

• Hold to His promises,

• Heeding the prophets:

• Keep the commandments.

• In this there is safety and peace.

 

[dzheremi]

Joseph Smith did not give us the commandments.

He did, though. It's right there in your Doctrine and Covenants book, according to the information at the link. What he gave you as commandments is accepted as scripture in your religion. That's what's Mormonism is. It's not Christianity. We don't have a "Doctrine and Covenants", nor a modern prophet, nor any need for any of this stuff. Our religion is authored and perfected by Christ Himself (Hebrews 12:2). This is precisely why Mormonism is rejected in the first place, as it is a different gospel brought by a different spirit which contradicts the faith that was delivered once for all to the saints.

Jesus Christ gave us the commandments.

Yes. He gave those commandments to those who would follow Him: the Christians. Mormonism is something else.

He wasn't kidding when He gave the sermon on the mount.

Indeed He wasn't.

 

[dzheremi]

We are not taught the doctrines of other churches or which ones are wrong. We are taught the correct doctrines like keeping the commandments.

Since you are being frank in your reply here, I hope you will grant me the same latitude in providing a rebuttal to your false claims. I intend to say nothing of you or any Mormon personally, but I am not just going to sit here while you claim that the doctrines of Christianity are false and you are taught the truth instead. In reality, it is exactly the opposite.

You are taught a bizarre, quasi-Pharisaical system of tiered rewards contingent upon obedience to man-made law in lieu of the orthodox doctrine which is found everywhere in the churches throughout the world, as it was passed down from our fathers and masters the apostles since the beginning (e.g., belief in the Holy Trinity, proper belief in the Creation, in Christ's passion, etc.). It is no mystery to any thinking Christian why those doctrines which Mormonism most decries as 'wrong' are those which separate the believer from the Christian religion itself (as in the days of your particular heresy's spiritual father, the wicked and impious Arius), as this is what most benefits the devil who brings these other gospels and other commandments and all of these things you take to be the truth.

That it is all supposed to climax for the believing Mormon in 'celestial' heresy so obviously erroneous and impossible (that you should become your own gods, creators of your own worlds and spirit children, etc.) just takes the cake. And then you have the nerve to cite following these commandments as somehow so precious to the plan of salvation, which frankly came out of your false prophet's posterior in the first place, that this should take precedence over what is clearly taught and preached by the apostles themselves, since the day of Pentecost?

Pentecost happened, all truth was revealed by the Holy Spirit, and so Mormonism and all parasitic replacement religions (Montanism, Islam, Mormonism, etc.) which claim to have new revelations and new prophets are absolutely unnecessary and to be rejected as heresies birthed in hell from the loins of demons.

There is nothing new that is true, in the sense that there is nothing to be added to that which is already finished. You can only have either repackaged heresy (as in Mormonism, Islam, etc.), or repackaged truth (as in the various Christian denominations). The 'best' -- i.e., most successful -- heresies, such as Mormonism, mix the two so as to confuse believers and dilute their faith to the point that they will accept something that sounds Christian as not only being Christian, but in Mormonism's case being the only true Christianity! It's quite sad to see. I saw my own father for several years be taken in by the Filipino version of this (as he had married a Filipina, so he converted to this cult for marriage purposes), a group called the Iglesia Ni Cristo (Tagalog for "Church of Christ", apparently; it even sounds akin to Mormonism in its name), so I have seen it up close. It is frankly terrifying how easy it is that they twist the word of God for whatever purpose they have, to 'prove' their anti-Christ doctrines and weird prophecies. These organizations and all their heresies are from Satan. I'm not joking.

 

[dzheremi]

Why Mormonism is irrelevant at best, a.k.a. what actually happened:

You are the Logos of the Father, God who are before the ages, the great High Priest,

who were incarnate and became man for the salvation of mankind.

Out of all the nations, He called to Himself a chosen generation, a kingdom, a priesthood, a holy nation, and a justified people.

You have sent the Holy Spirit upon the apostles on the day of Pentecost.

He came upon each one of them like divided tongues of fire

and filled them with all knowledge, all understanding, and all spiritual wisdom, according to Your faithful promise.

And they spoke in every language and they preached Your holy name to all the nations.

As for Peter and Paul, foremost among the apostles, the shadow of the one was healing the sick, whereas the handkerchiefs and aprons of the other were causing diseases to leave and evil spirits to come out.

And after they preached the Gospel of the kingdom and taught the nations, they shed their blood for Your name´s sake and received the crown of apostleship and of martyrdom.

O You who have granted His holy Disciples and honored Apostles the descent of the Spirit, the Paraclete, upon them and gave them authority to work healings, signs, and wonders-

they proclaimed to us the good news of His holy name and restored us to the true faith of the Holy Trinity. +

We praise You, we bless You, we glorify You, and we give thanks to You on account of these great gifts.

And we ask You, O our Master, to also grant us the forgiveness of our sins,

and to purify our hearts, our souls, our bodies, and our spirits,

so that with a pure heart, we may dare with boldness, without fear, to cry to Your holy Father who is in the heavens, and say, "Our Father ...."

+++

This is the true, historic, and eternal faith, as preached in Egypt, Syria, Asia Minor, Cyprus, India, Mesopotamia, etc. by the 12, and by the 70, and by those who they ordained to continue on in their absence, after they accepted the crown of martyrdom. Their word has gone out unto the ends of the earth, and we have our greatest 'work' in following Him by preserving what they have given us, and passing it on to future generations in every place and among every people, as He commanded His disciples to baptize all nations, and also that those who love Him will keep His commandments.

This is what is taught by God. Accept no latter-day substitutes, my friends.

 

[Rescued One]

We are not taught the doctrines of other churches or which ones are wrong. We are taught the correct doctrines like keeping the commandments....

I've been there, remember?

"I was answered that I must join none of them [Christian Churches], for they were all wrong...that all their creeds were an abomination in His sight."
Pearl of Great Price, Joseph Smith History 1:19

"I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true."
Pearl of Great Price Joseph Smith History and History of the Church 1:6

"I spoke of the impropriety of turning away from the truth, and going after a people so destitute of righteousness as the Methodists."
Joseph Smith, History of the Church 2:319

"Behold there are save two churches only; the one is the Church of the Lamb of God and the other is the church of the devil; wherefore whoso belongeth not to the church of the lamb of God belongeth to that great church; which is the mother of abominations; and she is the harlot of all the earth."
Book of Mormon, 1 Nephi 14:10

"...orthodox Christian views of God are Pagan rather than Christian."
B. H. Roberts, Mormon Doctrine of Deity, p.116

"...all the priests who adhere to the sectarian religions of the day with all their followers, without one exception, receive their portion with the devil and his angels."
Joseph Smith Jr., editor, The Elders Journal, vol.1, no.4, p.60

ENDOWMENT AND SEALING PRECEDE SONSHIP.
The Lord has given unto us privileges, and blessings and the opportunity of entering into covenants, of accepting ordinances that pertain to our salvation beyond what is preached in the world; beyond the principles of faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, repentance from sin, and baptism for the remission of sins, and the laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost; and these principles and covenants are received nowhere else but in the temple of God.
If you would become a son or daughter of God and an heir of the kingdom, then you must go to the house of the Lord and receive blessings which there can be obtained and which cannot be obtained elsewhere; and you must keep those commandments and those covenants to the end. . .
Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, Vol. 2, p. 40

Many people think they need only confess that Jesus is the Christ and then they are saved by grace alone. We cannot be saved by grace alone, “for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do.”
James E. Faust, “The Atonement: Our Greatest Hope,” October 2001 General Conference

Because of what He accomplished by His atoning sacrifice, Jesus Christ has the power to prescribe the conditions we must fulfill to qualify for the blessings of His Atonement. That is why we have commandments and ordinances. That is why we make covenants. That is how we qualify for the promised blessings. They all come through the mercy and grace of the Holy One of Israel, “after all we can do” (2 Nephi 25:23).
Dallin H. Oaks, “Two Lines of Communication,” October 2010 General Conference
http://www.lds.org/general-conference/2010/10/two-lines-of-communication?lang=eng


All of us have sinned and need to repent to fully pay our part of the debt. When we sincerely repent, the Savior’s magnificent Atonement pays the rest of that debt...

Many people think they need only confess that Jesus is the Christ and then they are saved by grace alone. We cannot be saved by grace alone, “for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do.”
James E. Faust, “The Atonement: Our Greatest Hope,” October 2001 General Conference
http://www.lds.org/general-conference/2001/10/the-atonement-our-greatest-hope?lang=eng

"The Individual Effect of the Atonement makes it possible for any and every soul to obtain absolution from the effect of personal sins, through the mediation of Christ; but such saving intercession is to be invoked by individual effort as manifested through faith, repentance, and continued works of righteousness....The blessing of redemption from individual sins, while open for all to attain, is nevertheless conditioned on individual effort." - James Talmage, "A Study of the Articles of Faith" by (p. 89)


Sermons and Writings of Bruce R. McConkie, p.77 – “The blood of Christ was shed as a free gift of wondrous grace, but the Saints are cleansed by the blood after they keep the commandments.”

"The most fundamental purpose of your being on earth . . . is to prove yourself obedient to the commandments of the Lord and thereby grow in understanding, capacity, and every worthy trait. It is to receive every required ordinance and to make and keep every needed covenant. It is to form and nourish a family. This experience includes having periods of trial and happiness, with the objective of returning triumphantly, having met well the challenges and opportunities of mortal life to receive the glorious blessings promised for such obedience."
Richard G. Scott, "Truth Restored," Ensign, Nov. 2005, 78

 

[He is the way]

He did, though. It's right there in your Doctrine and Covenants book, according to the information at the link. What he gave you as commandments is accepted as scripture in your religion. That's what's Mormonism is. It's not Christianity. We don't have a "Doctrine and Covenants", nor a modern prophet, nor any need for any of this stuff. Our religion is authored and perfected by Christ Himself (Hebrews 12:2). This is precisely why Mormonism is rejected in the first place, as it is a different gospel brought by a different spirit which contradicts the faith that was delivered once for all to the saints.
Yes. He gave those commandments to those who would follow Him: the Christians. Mormonism is something else.Indeed He wasn't.

It would be good for all Christians to love Jesus Christ and keep His commandments then to show Him that you love Him.

 

[dzheremi]

Amen. As they told me in the monastery of St. Shenouda the Archimandrite, the first rite of the Church is love. That's stuck with me in the years since, as I think it is the most succinct way of putting it that I have ever heard.

The point, however, is that Mormonism is another religion, so the claiming of commandments or the following of them is not in relation to Christianity to begin with. Christians must follow what we have been given, regardless of Mormonism's stance on anything, since that is irrelevant. It would be as though a Hindu told you to follow the commandments of God. Yes, sure, but that's not what you're doing (by virtue of being a Hindu), so whatever commandments you might have are yours. As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord (not Hinduism, Mormonism, or any other non-Christian religion).

 

[He is the way]

I've been there, remember?

"I was answered that I must join none of them [Christian Churches], for they were all wrong...that all their creeds were an abomination in His sight."
Pearl of Great Price, Joseph Smith History 1:19

"I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true."
Pearl of Great Price Joseph Smith History and History of the Church 1:6

"I spoke of the impropriety of turning away from the truth, and going after a people so destitute of righteousness as the Methodists."
Joseph Smith, History of the Church 2:319

"Behold there are save two churches only; the one is the Church of the Lamb of God and the other is the church of the devil; wherefore whoso belongeth not to the church of the lamb of God belongeth to that great church; which is the mother of abominations; and she is the harlot of all the earth."
Book of Mormon, 1 Nephi 14:10

"...orthodox Christian views of God are Pagan rather than Christian."
B. H. Roberts, Mormon Doctrine of Deity, p.116

"...all the priests who adhere to the sectarian religions of the day with all their followers, without one exception, receive their portion with the devil and his angels."
Joseph Smith Jr., editor, The Elders Journal, vol.1, no.4, p.60

ENDOWMENT AND SEALING PRECEDE SONSHIP.
The Lord has given unto us privileges, and blessings and the opportunity of entering into covenants, of accepting ordinances that pertain to our salvation beyond what is preached in the world; beyond the principles of faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, repentance from sin, and baptism for the remission of sins, and the laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost; and these principles and covenants are received nowhere else but in the temple of God.
If you would become a son or daughter of God and an heir of the kingdom, then you must go to the house of the Lord and receive blessings which there can be obtained and which cannot be obtained elsewhere; and you must keep those commandments and those covenants to the end. . .
Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, Vol. 2, p. 40

Many people think they need only confess that Jesus is the Christ and then they are saved by grace alone. We cannot be saved by grace alone, “for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do.”
James E. Faust, “The Atonement: Our Greatest Hope,” October 2001 General Conference

Because of what He accomplished by His atoning sacrifice, Jesus Christ has the power to prescribe the conditions we must fulfill to qualify for the blessings of His Atonement. That is why we have commandments and ordinances. That is why we make covenants. That is how we qualify for the promised blessings. They all come through the mercy and grace of the Holy One of Israel, “after all we can do” (2 Nephi 25:23).
Dallin H. Oaks, “Two Lines of Communication,” October 2010 General Conference
http://www.lds.org/general-conference/2010/10/two-lines-of-communication?lang=eng


All of us have sinned and need to repent to fully pay our part of the debt. When we sincerely repent, the Savior’s magnificent Atonement pays the rest of that debt...

Many people think they need only confess that Jesus is the Christ and then they are saved by grace alone. We cannot be saved by grace alone, “for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do.”
James E. Faust, “The Atonement: Our Greatest Hope,” October 2001 General Conference
http://www.lds.org/general-conference/2001/10/the-atonement-our-greatest-hope?lang=eng

"The Individual Effect of the Atonement makes it possible for any and every soul to obtain absolution from the effect of personal sins, through the mediation of Christ; but such saving intercession is to be invoked by individual effort as manifested through faith, repentance, and continued works of righteousness....The blessing of redemption from individual sins, while open for all to attain, is nevertheless conditioned on individual effort." - James Talmage, "A Study of the Articles of Faith" by (p. 89)


Sermons and Writings of Bruce R. McConkie, p.77 – “The blood of Christ was shed as a free gift of wondrous grace, but the Saints are cleansed by the blood after they keep the commandments.”

"The most fundamental purpose of your being on earth . . . is to prove yourself obedient to the commandments of the Lord and thereby grow in understanding, capacity, and every worthy trait. It is to receive every required ordinance and to make and keep every needed covenant. It is to form and nourish a family. This experience includes having periods of trial and happiness, with the objective of returning triumphantly, having met well the challenges and opportunities of mortal life to receive the glorious blessings promised for such obedience."
Richard G. Scott, "Truth Restored," Ensign, Nov. 2005, 78

This is not about teaching us what other religions teach, it is about teaching us correct principals. We don't go over all of the teachings of other churches. I have learned for myself that the Bible teaches us to keep the commandments. It is stated over and over and over in the Bible. I can't see how anyone could possibly miss it. There are only two churches on the earth. Those who love Jesus Christ and keep His commandments and those who don't want to know Him. I don't know what your church teaches. My church teaches that we are to keep the commandments so that we can know God and show Him that we love Him. All those who sin need to do the works meet for repentance as stated in the Bible.

 

[He is the way]

Amen. As they told me in the monastery of St. Shenouda the Archimandrite, the first rite of the Church is love. That's stuck with me in the years since, as I think it is the most succinct way of putting it that I have ever heard.

The point, however, is that Mormonism is another religion, so the claiming of commandments or the following of them is not in relation to Christianity to begin with. Christians must follow what we have been given, regardless of Mormonism's stance on anything, since that is irrelevant. It would be as though a Hindu told you to follow the commandments of God. Yes, sure, but that's not what you're doing (by virtue of being a Hindu), so whatever commandments you might have are yours. As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord (not Hinduism, Mormonism, or any other non-Christian religion).

Just like the New Testament is not a different religion than the Old Testament, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is is not a new religion just because we have additional words from God. God is not dead, nor does He sleep. God continues to make His will known to man.

 

[dzheremi]

Just like the New Testament is not a different religion than the Old Testament, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is is not a new religion just because we have additional words from God. God is not dead, nor does He sleep. God continues to make His will known to man.

That's a very improper analogy.

The Mormon religion is not Christian. Period. End of story. This is not debatable.

 

[mmksparbud]

It is not because their faith in the bible has been destroyed as you assume, it is because they can't accept the teachings of the other churches because they are foreign to the Bible. The Bible teaches people to KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS.

Not according to those that have come out of atheism post ex-Mormonism. They totally agree that the destruction of believe in the bible is paramount in believing in JS. It has to be--for without saying that the bible is wrong--your faith can not stand on the bible alone.

And yes--we are to keep the commandments--but for what reason? We keep them out of love for Jesus and Heavenly Father. It is a joy to keep from sin---and once gain---your doctrines clearly state you are to keep them as given by Moses---which you do not, and never have and neither has JS--certainly not the 4th as given by Moses.

Just like the New Testament is not a different religion than the Old Testament, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is is not a new religion just because we have additional words from God. God is not dead, nor does He sleep. God continues to make His will known to man.

And yet--several times I have asked and you have failed to answer---

Jesus had the same old testament that we have--the Dead Sea Scrolls proved that. Yet not one of JS doctrines, that are totally different from what the OT says, are in the OT. If Jesus didn't need JS or his theology--neither do we.
Jesus is the way, the truth and the light---

not JS.​

 

[He is the way]

That's a very improper analogy.

The Mormon religion is not Christian. Period. End of story. This is not debatable.

We are not Nicene Creed believing Christians.

 

[dzheremi]

Again, Mormonism is not Christianity, period. This is an argument; this is a statement of fact in accordance with this website's statement of faith, which not-coincidentally happens to be the statement of faith either explicitly (e.g., in Orthodox, Catholic, high-church Protestant, etc. churches) or implicitly (e.g., in other types of Protestant churches) adopted and affirmed by the entire Christian world for the last 16 centuries and counting.

There is no 'non-Nicene Christianity' option, as this is not 324 AD. There are only various things pretending to be Christianity that are not. Mormonism is one of those things.

 

[He is the way]

Not according to those that have come out of atheism post ex-Mormonism. They totally agree that the destruction of believe in the bible is paramount in believing in JS. It has to be--for without saying that the bible is wrong--your faith can not stand on the bible alone.

And yes--we are to keep the commandments--but for what reason? We keep them out of love for Jesus and Heavenly Father. It is a joy to keep from sin---and once gain---your doctrines clearly state you are to keep them as given by Moses---which you do not, and never have and neither has JS--certainly not the 4th as given by Moses.



And yet--several times I have asked and you have failed to answer---

Jesus had the same old testament that we have--the Dead Sea Scrolls proved that. Yet not one of JS doctrines, that are totally different from what the OT says, are in the OT. If Jesus didn't need JS or his theology--neither do we.
Jesus is the way, the truth and the light---

not JS.​

The law of Moses was updated to the higher law in the New Testament, see the sermon on the mount.

Again, Mormonism is not Christianity, period. This is an argument; this is a statement of fact in accordance with this website's statement of faith, which not-coincidentally happens to be the statement of faith either explicitly (e.g., in Orthodox, Catholic, high-church Protestant, etc. churches) or implicitly (e.g., in other types of Protestant churches) adopted and affirmed by the entire Christian world for the last 16 centuries and counting.

There is no 'non-Nicene Christianity' option, as this is not 324 AD. There are only various things pretending to be Christianity that are not. Mormonism is one of those things.

So that means that you believe the the Nicene Creed over Jesus Christ. Easter is now the Sabbath day.

 

[Rescued One]

This is not about teaching us what other religions teach, it is about teaching us correct principals. We don't go over all of the teachings of other churches. I have learned for myself that the Bible teaches us to keep the commandments. It is stated over and over and over in the Bible. I can't see how anyone could possibly miss it.

Mormons talk about many requirements for salvation. They talk about what Christians believe being wrong. I've shared some of that. This is taught to the 4 to 7-year-olds:

"Explain that the Apostles led the Church after Christ died. After the Apostles died, however, the people began to forget Jesus and the Apostles. They did not obey the commandments or follow Jesus’ teachings anymore. Soon the Church of Jesus Christ was no longer on the earth. Hundreds of years went by and there were many different churches, but none of them had the true priesthood."
https://www.lds.org/manual/primary-2/lesson-42?lang=eng

There are only two churches on the earth. Those who love Jesus Christ and keep His commandments and those who don't want to know Him. I don't know what your church teaches.

As I said, Mormons teach:
"Explain that the Apostles led the Church after Christ died. After the Apostles died, however, the people began to forget Jesus and the Apostles. They did not obey the commandments or follow Jesus’ teachings anymore. Soon the Church of Jesus Christ was no longer on the earth. Hundreds of years went by and there were many different churches, but none of them had the true priesthood."
https://www.lds.org/manual/primary-2/lesson-42?lang=eng

D&C 1
30 And also those to whom these commandments were given, might have power to lay the foundation of this church, and to bring it forth out of obscurity and out of darkness, the only true and living church upon the face of the whole earth, with which I, the Lord, am well pleased, speaking unto the church collectively and not individually—
https://www.lds.org/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/1.38

My church teaches that we are to keep the commandments so that we can know God and show Him that we love Him. All those who sin need to do the works meet for repentance as stated in the Bible.

Your church teaches:

"We cannot be saved by grace alone."
James E. Faust, “The Atonement: Our Greatest Hope,” October 2001 General Conference


"Our entire case as members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints rests on the validity of [Joseph Smith's] glorious First Vision. . . . Nothing on which we base our doctrine, nothing we teach, nothing we live by is of greater importance than this initial declaration. I submit that if Joseph Smith talked with God the Father and His Beloved Son, then all else of which he spoke is true. This is the hinge on which turns the gate that leads to the path of salvation and eternal life."
Gordon B. Hinckley, Ensign, Nov. 1998, p. 71.
https://www.lds.org/manual/jesus-ch...and-the-son-appeared-to-joseph-smith?lang=eng

https://www.lds.org/ensign/1998/11/what-are-people-asking-about-us?lang=eng&para=p14#p14

May we ever be a light on the hill, an example in keeping the commandments, which have never changed and will never change.
http://www.lds.org/general-conference/2013/04/obedience-to-law-is-liberty?lang=eng

If a man gets a fullness of the priesthood of God he has to get it in the same way that Jesus Christ obtained it, and that was by keeping all the commandments and obeying all the ordinances of the house of the Lord.
Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.308


Mormons teach these Requirements for Eternal Life:

To be exalted, we first must place our faith in Jesus Christ and then endure in that faith to the end of our lives. Our faith in Him must be such that we repent of our sins and obey His commandments.

He commands us all to receive certain ordinances:

We must be baptized.

We must receive the laying on of hands to be confirmed a member of the Church of Jesus Christ and to receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Brethren must receive the Melchizedek Priesthood and magnify their callings in the priesthood.

We must receive the temple endowment.

We must be married for eternity, either in this life or in the next.

In addition to receiving the required ordinances, the Lord commands all of us to:

Love God and our neighbors.

Keep the commandments.

Repent of our wrongdoings.

Search out our kindred dead and receive the saving ordinances of the gospel for them.

Attend our Church meetings as regularly as possible so we can renew our baptismal covenants by partaking of the sacrament.

Love our family members and strengthen them in the ways of the Lord.

Have family and individual prayers every day.

Teach the gospel to others by word and example.

Study the scriptures.

Listen to and obey the inspired words of the prophets of the Lord.

Finally, each of us needs to receive the Holy Ghost and learn to follow His direction in our individual lives.

Gospel Principles, c. 1978, 1979, and 1981, Chapter 47, Exaltation, p. 291-292
https://www.lds.org/manual/gospel-principles/chapter-47-exaltation?lang=eng

 

[mmksparbud]

The law of Moses was updated to the higher law in the New Testament, see the sermon on the mount.

So that means that you believe the the Nicene Creed over Jesus Christ. Easter is now the Sabbath day.

Nowhere does the higher law--state that Sun is now Sabbath--you have kept the Roman sunday whien JS says he opposed the Roman church. Makes no sense.