Is it even possible? the Left hits a new low

[PeachyKeane]

You mentioned equivalents did you not? I am not minimalizing one or the other.

Just pointing out that the ‘comedians’ and media in general treat one individual exponentially different from the other.

President one:

Sexual predator who is vilified daily for his behavior and paying 130,000 in hush money

President two:

Sexual predator who is welcomed and embraced system wide, while having the exact same behavior and paying 850,000 in hush money.

That’s pretty plain to see.

Where you prefer the opposite? Where we villify Clinton's misdeeds, but wipe away Trump's?

 

[Easy Listener]

Just a reminder that the right houses actual Nazis. You might want to reconsider labelling 'the left' as hate mongers.

I strongly disagree with that statement - at least in the US. The right is a name for conservatives, which is actually a modern name for "Classical Liberals". They have nothing in common with Nazis. The Nazis may be labelled "the right" in Germany, but that is another story.

The labels "right" and "left" are the most subjective labels one can use.

And here is a fun youtube video demonstrating how labels can be horribly inaccurate. (It is pretty funny)

 

[Albion]

It is possible to not like both presidents. So posting the despicable acts of one doesn’t somehow minimize the other.

But of course, we are only talking about one of them, aren't we? Just like always.

And now we can expect that obligatory post from one or another of our regulars here who insist that to mention any of the wrongs done by Obama is to be obsessed with things that are in the distant past and so don't matter, blah blah blah.

 

[Hammster]

It would help if you would articulate what the problem is, or what his immoral behavior is. Do you consider murdering innocent people of other countries moral, or even on the same plane as Trump's immorality?

Again, if you don’t know by now, nothing I say will help.

 

[theQuincunx5]

We don't see anything like this coming from the Right, so I don't see the comparison?

The common messages that I see sent these days are --

Trump -- Make America Great Again.

From the Left -- because of Trump the end of the world as we know it.

M-Bob

MMmmmm, Bob, you DO realize she's a comedian, right? You DO realize that not all people on the Left necessarily dig her comedy right?

Just curious if this point ever crosses your mountain.

 

[Hammster]

I don't accept that. Sorry. While we may find some of his comments unpresidential or impolite or even tacky, it is nowhere near the hate speech that has become the forte of the Left in the past several years.

I guess it depends on where you set the bar.

 

[PeachyKeane]

You need to take the red pill.

I was joking. I suppose it was clear to me (and not you) is because I'm so familiar with that scripture and how people quote it all the time, almost always joking.

It is as if some folks are looking for a fight and will use anything to start one. I don't call myself easy listener for nothing. I don't play that game.

For the record, I responded to the original quote the way I did because I flagged it as funny and I wanted the poster to know I was not goading, something I was accused of earlier today of doing. When I flag a post as funny, it means I think it is honestly funny, and sincerely thought the poster was trying to be funny.

My apologies, I was also joking (and didn't read your post). It's pretty evident when you go back and look at it now.

Funny, how you can't always tell the difference, huh?

 

[Hammster]

You mentioned equivalents did you not? I am not minimalizing one or the other.

Just pointing out that the ‘comedians’ and media in general treat one individual exponentially different from the other.

President one:

Sexual predator who is vilified daily for his behavior and paying 130,000 in hush money

President two:

Sexual predator who is welcomed and embraced system wide, while having the exact same behavior and paying 850,000 in hush money.

That’s pretty plain to see.

I guess I don’t see the relevance.

 

[Albion]

I strongly disagree with that statement - at least in the US. The right is a name for conservatives, which is actually a modern name for "Classical Liberals". They have nothing in common with Nazis.

The terms have become fuzzy over the years, I agree, but conservatism is not classical liberalism.

In the USA but not elsewhere, conservatism remains what it always was except that its belief in the human right to own what one has come by honestly, i.e. property rights, which classical liberalism also had championed, was embraced by conservatives when liberalism morphed into being a milder form of Socialism.

 

[Easy Listener]

My apologies, I was also joking (and didn't read your post). It's pretty evident when you go back and look at it now.

Funny, how you can't always tell the difference, huh?

Yep. That is how we get triggered. And, at the end of the day, it has a lot to do with the subculture in which one is raised. It also has a lot to do with the fact that only 20% of communication is verbal and the rest is voice inflections, facial expressions and body language - all attributes that are missing here.

Which is why I use emojis. They are not perfect, but they help.

 

[Always in His Presence]

I guess I don’t see the relevance.

Can you remember the times that the comedians held a severed head of Bill Clinton? Or the singer who said she wanted to blow up Bill Clinton’s White House? How about the actor who called for Chelsea Clinto to be locked in a cage with pedophiles? Or the actors who joined a crowd calling for Hillary to be raped?

 

[Easy Listener]

The terms have become fuzzy over the years, I agree, but conservatism is not classical liberalism.

That speaks to the point, actually. To me, conservatism IS classical liberalism. When I call myself a conservative, I'm "thinking" classical liberal. The only reason I use that word is because when you call yourself a classical liberal, people typically have no idea what you are talking about, or only hear the word "liberal" and then usually get the exact opposite impression (based on my personal usage of liberal) of what I'm saying.

Most labels are subjective and mean whatever the person using them means - which is often not self evident and you may even get dead wrong. Which is why I enjoy the video I posted.

 

[Albion]

That speaks to the point, actually. To me, conservatism IS classical liberalism. When I call myself a conservative, I'm "thinking" classical liberal. The only reason I use that word is because when you call yourself a classical liberal, people typically have no idea what you are talking about, or only hear the word "liberal" and then usually get the exact opposite impression (based on my personal usage of liberal) of what I'm saying.

I understand, but my point was that conservatism in the USA (which is not to say every last person who calls himself by that term) is actually traditional, historic Burkean Conservatism PLUS what was once classical liberalism. It is not absent respect for tradition, faith, family, tolerance, rule of law, etc.

 

[Easy Listener]

Can you remember the times that the comedians held a severed head of Bill Clinton? Or the singer who said she wanted to blow up Bill Clinton’s White House? How about the actor who called for Chelsea Clinto to be locked in a cage with pedophiles? Or the actors who joined a crowd calling for Hillary to be raped?

I'm not a republican or a democrat, but you do bring up what the preponderance of evidence suggests about the modus operandi of the parties. The left most definitely acts out more than the right. Look at a TEA party event and its aftermath compared to a typical leftist event. Heck, the former even pick up their garbage afterward. But trust the press to look very hard to find a nazi or nutcase in the conservative event and do their darnedest to use that to paint the entire event as "nazis/nutcases". At the liberal events it's very easy to find them but the press looks hard to find the reasonable one and then interview them.

I'm speaking from witnessing many events on both sides. It is obvious. It's like saying one is a sports car and the other is a pickup truck. Anyone with eyes and ears can see it.

 

[Hammster]

Can you remember the times that the comedians held a severed head of Bill Clinton? Or the singer who said she wanted to blow up Bill Clinton’s White House? How about the actor who called for Chelsea Clinto to be locked in a cage with pedophiles? Or the actors who joined a crowd calling for Hillary to be raped?

And I would put a lot of this at the feet of Trump.

 

[Heart2Soul]

Whether we like Trump or not, agree with him or not, it is by His Divine Will that he became the next president. So to bash, trash, and criticize him is almost like telling God He was obviously clueless about Trumps character and obviously made a horrible mistake. Scripture states that is God who appoints the leaders of the world.
Romans 13:1
1Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which is from God. The authorities that exist have been appointed by God. 2Consequently, the one who resists authority is opposing what God has set in place, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.

Why Trump....because he was the one that fulfills God's Will and Purpose for the fulfillment of prophesy. Do you believe His Word is truth? Are we to tell God who He can put in power and who He can't? You err with your carnal minded thinking about Trump....put aside this mind for it is enmity against God....put on your spiritual mind.....and see the deeper picture. …

 

[Easy Listener]

I understand, but my point was that conservatism in the USA (which is not to say every last person who calls himself by that term) is actually traditional, historic Burkean Conservatism PLUS what was once classical liberalism. It is not absent respect for tradition, faith, family, tolerance, rule of law, etc.

The "conservatives I talk with in real life and on the internet are mostly constitutionalsts. And we actually talk a lot about classical liberalism and supply quite a bit of links to articles on the subject. I'm a member of several political sites, several of which allow "no holds barred" discussion between both "conservatives" and "liberals".

However, I do believe both sides have what is generally called "useful idiots". That is, those that strongly agree, but for personal reasons like losing their job, being pulled over by a cop for DWB (driving while black), etc. That causes them to be "conservative" or "liberal", or "right" or "left". But when I get into it with those that specifially deal in a lot of verbose political discussions, most of the guys there know what a classical liberal is and will often use that label. When I'm on a non-political site, I just say "conservative" to avoid confusion and long posts like this one.

 

[Mountainmanbob]

I mean, you have acrual Nazis.

Didn't take long for that one to spew to the top did it.

Please take note -- we do not support them and neither does Trump -- stop with the Kake News.

We of this household and none in our church which we are attending today support those people, so why do you keep saying that. It's such a ridiculous claim and yet,they keep putting it out there.

How embarrassing for our Country.

M-Bob

 

[Mountainmanbob]

Whether we like Trump or not, agree with him or not, it is by His Divine Will that he became the next president. So to bash, trash, and criticize him is almost like telling God He was obviously clueless





about Trumps character and obviously made a horrible mistake. Scripture states that is God who appoints the leaders of the world.
Romans 13:1
1Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which is from God. The authorities that exist have been appointed by God. 2Consequently, the one who resists authority is opposing what God has set in place, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.

Why Trump....because he was the one that fulfills God's Will and Purpose for the fulfillment of prophesy. Do you believe His Word is truth? Are we to tell God who He can put in power and who He can't? You err with your carnal minded thinking about Trump....put aside this mind for it is enmity against God....put on your spiritual mind.....and see the deeper picture. …

True, many just don't understand or study the Word of God.

And then there are some of us who actually think that Trump was a blessing sent.

M-Bob

 

[Easy Listener]

Didn't take long for that one to spew to the top did it.

Please take note -- we do not support them and neither does Trump -- stop with the Kake News.

We of this household and none in our church which we are attending today support those people, so why do you keep saying that. It's such a ridiculous claim and yet,they keep putting it out there.

How embarrassing for our Country.

M-Bob

Have you ever watched a leftist interview Jordan Peterson? They desperately try to tie him to the "alt-right". It's actually comical how he swats them like flies.

The press is desperate to label people to simplify the love or hate they are trying to generate.