You make a claim that you have addressed most of the glaring errors in this link.
http://JewishNotGreek.com
Post just one of them, show where you addressed a glaring error that is in the link.
Just one, show the error, and how you answered it.
Not 10, not 5, just 1
You won't because you can't
THE WICKED ARE NOT COMPLETELY DESTROYED BY FIRE(ONLY THE BODY OF FLESH IS DESTROYED)
3. The third point I would like to address is idea that the wicked are completely destroyed by fire, instead of being cast into the lake of fire and suffer everlasting torment.
On the day of Judgement you either awake to everlasting life or everlasting damnation and torment.
John 5:28-29
1 Cor 15:51-55
Revelation 14:9-11
Revelation 20:12-15
Revelation 20:10
928 [e] basanisthēsontai- βασανισθήσονται- they will be tormented
2250 [e] hēmeras- ἡμέρας- day
2532 [e] kai- καὶ- and
3571 [e] nyktos- νυκτὸς- night
1519 [e] eis- εἰς- for
3588 [e] tous τοὺς the
165 [e] aiōnas- αἰῶνας- ages
3588 [e] tōn- τῶν- of the
165 [e] aiōnōn- αἰώνων- ages
All of those who are cast into the lake of fire will be tormented forever and ever which is to say without end. Forever in the original greek it was used in means in perpetuity or without end. Using a Strong's concordance you will find this to be true.
Greek 165
αἰών, ῶνος, ὁ - aión
age, course, eternal, forever
From the same as aei; properly, an age; by extension, perpetuity (also past); by implication, the world; specially (Jewish) a Messianic period (present or future) -- age, course, eternal, (for) ever(-more), (n-)ever, (beginning of the, while the) world (began, without end). Compare chronos.
Form the greek word aei.
Greek 104.-ἀεί-aei
always, unceasingly, perpetually; on every occasion.
always, ever.
From an obsolete primary noun (apparently meaning continued duration); "ever,"by qualification regularly; by implication, earnestly; --always, ever.
Even just looking at the context it is used in you can easily see its meaning is without end.
This is further shown in these passages.
2 Thess 1:5-10
Mark 9:42-48
Isaiah 66:22-24
Matt 25:31-34,40-41,44-46
Daniel 12:1-2
Matt 8:11-12
Matt 13:38-42
Some try to say the fire is put out after a certain amount of time and the suffering will not be eternal they use these passages as proof for this argument.
Jude 1:7
7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire
2 Thess 1:9
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
Now I know what your thinking they say the same thing as far as eternity goes, but there is a difference between the two. Which is, simply put, aiónios has two definitions the one used when
describing the fire in
Jude 1:7 is as follows.
Greek 166. aiónios
(age-long, and therefore partaking of the character of that which lasts for an age, (also used of past time, or past and future as well)
The eternal fire (Greek 166) talked about in Jude is referring to an age, by extension a time already past, since the age in which Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed by fire has long since gone.
2 Thess 1:9 is referring to the Future everlasting fire, (practically eternal, unending-- eternal, for ever, everlasting, world (began)). We know it is talking about this future fire since it says it take place after Christ destroys the Heavens and Earth with fire.
2 Thess 1:8-9
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
The wicked are punished only AFTER the fire of vengeance brought by Christ destroys everything. (
Matthew 24:29-31; Micha 1:3-4;
Isaiah 66:15-17, 26:21, 2:9-22;
Zephaniah 1:18,2:2,3:8,1:2-3; Haggi 2:6-7; Malichi 4:1;
Joel 2:10,31;
Hosea 10:8; 1 Thess 1:7-9;
2 Peter 3:10;
Revelation 6:12-17;
Revelation 20:9).
2 Thess 1:9 is the same eternal punishment away from the Lord referred to in
Revelation 14:11, and
Revelation 20:10
Revelation 14:11
11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
Revelation 20:10
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
The ages of the ages(Greek 165) is the same(meaning wise) as is used in the Old Testament Hebrew(Hebrew 5769 Olam, Hebrew 5703 ad).
This sort of distinction is not unique to the new testament. The old testament (5769 Olam) could also mean a long time or an ancient time. Same goes for (5703 ad), but when these two words
are used together it almost always means without end.
Psalm 45:6 (5769) (5703)
6 Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre.
Hebrew 1:8 (165) (165)
8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
So likewise the ages(Greek 165) of the ages(Greek 165) spoken of in revelation is shown to mean without end.
ETERNAL TORMENT AND DESTRUCTION
4. The eternal destruction described in 2 Thess 1:9 is death, it is the second death. The second death is eternal destruction, torment, and separation from Yahweh. (
Revelation 20:6,14-15) The death spoken of is the state of the wicked who are cast into the lake of fire. It is an eternal spiritual death, the perpetual torment of the wicked souls in the lake of fire.
2288 thanatos
death, physical or spiritual
In the lake of fire there will be weeping and Gnashing of teeth, showing that those cast into the lake of Fire are well aware of the state which they are in. (Matt 13:42, Matt 8:12) The second death is not a complete and instant destruction but a prolonged form of punishment/destruction that will stretch into eternity.
Destruction
3639 olethros
From a primary ollumi (to destroy; a prolonged form); ruin, i.e. Death, punishment -- destruction.
The smoke that ascends, could not be from a complete consumption since they are ceaselessly being tormented, weeping, and Gnashing their teeth. Their destruction is everlasting, it comes
from their pain, their torment, as they are being tortured day and night by the fire that is constantly consuming them but never putting out their existence or destroying them. So they never will achieve complete consumption as the fire of Sodom and Gomorrah did.
Torment
928. basanizó
I examine, as by torture; I torment; I buffet, as of waves.
pain, toil, torment
From basanos; to torture -- pain, toil, torment, toss, vex
And as I showed this Torment/destruction will be perpetual, that is to say without end.
As I showed the fire that engulfed Sodom and Gomorrah was only to last for a time, an age, a certain duration that came to an end. The Smoke of their torment, that is the key part. With
Sodom and Gomorrah it only lasted an age(Olam, age-long, and therefore partaking of the character of that which lasts for an age, (also used of past time, or past and future as well)), a
period of time and that time ended, but as I showed the fire that exists in the lake of fire will never be put out. (
Mark 9:44-48)
And their torment will be day and night for eternity(
Revelation 14:11, 20:10).
re you saying there is no "punishment" for the unsaved?
Absolutely not. The lost clearly need to be saved from their sins. (see Matthew 1:21) What Conditional Immortality correctly and simply teaches is that immortality is conditional. It is only for the saved (2 Timothy 1:10). Therefore, the punishment of the sinner is not preservation in torment, but eschatological death. It is Capital Punishment of body and soul on Resurrection Day from the judicial hand of God. It is loss of life forever; it is eternal death beginning on Judgment Day. It is rather interesting that most believe "death" is the worst punishment you can face on this earth in a court of law, yet do not believe this about Judgment day in God's court. Adherents of eternal torture hold such a low view of life, that death is not a punishment for them. Yet this is exactly what the wages of sin are (Romans 6:23). For God, death is the worst judgment of all, because He holds life as precious! Adherents of eternal torment do not believe life is precious enough to believe that removal of it is a punishment! How sad!
For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. (Romans 6:23)
This scripture is not to be given any theological "spin" to its meaning. Read it plainly. Death is the absence of life. "Death" (Gk: thanatos) does not mean torment in Greek-never. Its parallel is in Romans 6:23 which is the gift of "eternal life" for the believer. The setting is clearly eschatological. The "wages of sin" will be the sinners" loss of life (death) at the end of the age. It is their "second death" (Revelation 20:14-15) which ends (not preserves) their body and soul's living forever (Matthew 10:28).
Why rarely cited Isaiah 66:24 is the key
Why would God choose the words like "destroy, destruction, perish, death" to signify something other than their plain meaning?
These would be a few I answered in two points(The two I provided). If you disagree I would be happy to hear why.
