Do We Have More Time To Prepare?!?

[DaDad]

According to the Prophetic Psalms concept as proposed by J.R. Church in his book "Hidden Prophecies In The Psalms", it appears that Psalms 118 (for Book 19, Chapter 118 = the year 19 -- 118 = 2018) is a SIGNIFICANT YEAR.
Psalms 117 is the Shortest Chapter and also the Middle Chapter in ALL Scripture; Psalms 118 is 70 years after the International Recognition of the State Of Israel; and Psalms 119 is the Longest Chapter in all Scripture.
And given that the Trump Administration has recognized that Jerusalem is the Capital if Israel, it seems history agrees with the Scriptural Significance. But to what end? Certainly one could anticipate that the beginning of the 42 month Tribulation (Rev. 13:5) might have a Scripturally and Historically founded Significance, -- and I would propose this linkage.
So for all those people actively Preparing, one might be well considered to anticipate the above time-line which 1 Thess 5 accommodates:

2 For you yourselves know well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. 3 When people say, “There is peace and security,” then sudden destruction will come upon them as travail comes upon a woman with child, and there will be no escape. 4 But you are not in darkness, brethren, for that day to surprise you like a thief. ​

With Best Regards,
DaDad

 

[Southernscotty]

I do not personally go for any day or date setting, I know that God has said None knows the hour or day and so I say be ready and trim those lamps NOW because we never know.
It would however seem to be close as many things have been fulfilled.

 

[Kevin Snow]

Ok, there is an actual interpretation of Revelations and it is unlocked through the book of Daniel. All the other numbers and conflagrations of scriptures you are listing are not the substance behind prophetic interpretation.

The bible plainly tells the whole picture of what is to happen. The problem is that you don't know what is being represented politically on earth with what is written in scripture. That doesn't mean you use political events to map to scripture. You always have to understand scripture first and therefore PREDICT what those political events will look like. This is the nature of the interpretation of prophecy: the interpretation WILL come BEFORE the events take place. So obviously current events will never equate to being the answer to the prophecy in question. And this is the scriptural reason for it:

For the Lord GOD does nothing without revealing his secret to his servants the prophets. ~Amos 3:7

And this is what the Holy Spirit is for. Christ told us that the helper would tell us of things to come:

When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come. ~John 16:13

So we know, that the interpretation of the prophecy will UNDOUBTEDLY be before the events take place.

 

[drjean]

This year is a significant year according to the Orthodox Jews, as well. Not just a jubilee year, but a double Jubilee. And yes, 70 is significant as well... being how long Israel has been a nation. They are looking for haMeshiach to appear, perhaps in the fall festivals...

And since Jesus fulfilled all of the spring festivals and knowing about the fall festivals, it seems quite fitting that they would expect the Messiah to come... however how to correlate that because Jesus takes his bride out 7 years before the wrath God displays upon the non-believing Jews left on earth... His wrath because they kept not the jubilee. The count of days of His wrath (as given to us in Scripture) correlate with the number of jubilees the Hebrew nation did not keep.

No, no date giving here either...

But the only way I can correlate these events is that their True Messiah, Yashua ha Meshiach (Jesus) does not come this jubilee but the antiChrist does and begins to deceive them... the New Temple put together (it's all ready, including the choice and training of Priests) and after 3 1/2 years he shows his true colors. If that would be the case, then yes, the rapture is very, very near! Jesus the true Messiah returns the following jubilee...7 years.

I can't seem to keep it in my mind...whether believers from the age of grace (we) are raptured before or right after the signing of the 7 year treaty in the temple... I think it's before because isn't there the disappearance of Damascus first? THAT'S what we might see occur.... the reason (I THINK) for anyone to feel they need to sign a peace treaty with Israel... if Israel takes out Damascus (which could easily be done since the WMDs are stored underneath it ) then the Arabians and Persians and Syrians and all will have to take note.

Ok I've rambled a bit.

 

[Kevin Snow]

This year is a significant year according to the Orthodox Jews, as well. Not just a jubilee year, but a double Jubilee. And yes, 70 is significant as well... being how long Israel has been a nation. They are looking for haMeshiach to appear, perhaps in the fall festivals...

And since Jesus fulfilled all of the spring festivals and knowing about the fall festivals, it seems quite fitting that they would expect the Messiah to come... however how to correlate that because Jesus takes his bride out 7 years before the wrath God displays upon the non-believing Jews left on earth... His wrath because they kept not the jubilee. The count of days of His wrath (as given to us in Scripture) correlate with the number of jubilees the Hebrew nation did not keep.

No, no date giving here either...

But the only way I can correlate these events is that their True Messiah, Yashua ha Meshiach (Jesus) does not come this jubilee but the antiChrist does and begins to deceive them... the New Temple put together (it's all ready, including the choice and training of Priests) and after 3 1/2 years he shows his true colors. If that would be the case, then yes, the rapture is very, very near! Jesus the true Messiah returns the following jubilee...7 years.

I can't seem to keep it in my mind...whether believers from the age of grace (we) are raptured before or right after the signing of the 7 year treaty in the temple... I think it's before because isn't there the disappearance of Damascus first? THAT'S what we might see occur.... the reason (I THINK) for anyone to feel they need to sign a peace treaty with Israel... if Israel takes out Damascus (which could easily be done since the WMDs are stored underneath it ) then the Arabians and Persians and Syrians and all will have to take note.

Ok I've rambled a bit.

Your picture of the end times is not accurate. I mean I guess that is obvious to say when all you are talking about with "70" is just some "feeling" that this is significant. Again, this is not how we understand apocalyptic signs and interpret the end times prophecies.

So the full picture is that the whole tribulation has to start first. That means all the seals have to be broken and I assure you, none of them have been broken yet.

The passage in Daniel makes it clear that the temple will begin to be rebuilt 434 years before the coming of the antichrist. Here: Daniel 9. And that the tribulation period occurs within that 434 year period.

With these elements firmly in place we can begin to understand how the events will be structured. And they will not be happening anytime soon therefore. For if even the going out of the word to restore Jerusalem has occurred already, it will still be more than 400 years of peace with the temple being built before the antichrist comes.

 

[DaDad]

I do not personally go for any day or date setting, I know that God has said None knows the hour or day and so I say be ready and trim those lamps NOW because we never know.
It would however seem to be close as many things have been fulfilled.

To All,
One has to consider whether Scripture is Literal. If Scripture is Literal, then "no man knows the DAY or the Hour", no more and no less. To presume that ~no man knows the hour, day, week, month, season, year (1), decade (10), score (20), century (100), daytona (500), or millennia (1,000)~ is NOT Scriptural.

As previously cited per 1 Thess 5, we are not in darkness. However, the ignorant "church" teaches us that we ARE in darkness . I prefer Scripture, and as you observe -- history is confirming daily what Scripture depicts!

With Best Regards,
DaDad

 

[DaDad]

... All the other numbers and conflagrations of scriptures you are listing are not the substance behind prophetic interpretation.
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To All,
All you need to do is read the Psalms in context with modern history to either validate or invalidate the premise proposed by J.R. Church in his book "Hidden Prophecies In the Psalms". If Book 19 (for the 1900's) and Chapter 48 (for the year) do not correlate to 19 + 48 = 1948, and the respective International Recognition of the State of Israel, then you have made your point. However, if there is a "coincidence" (or DESIGN), then you can read other Chapters to attempt to invalidate this premise. But it is unwise to make your unsubstantiated assertion.
With Best Regards,
DaDad

 

[Kevin Snow]

To All,
All you need to do is read the Psalms in context with modern history to either validate or invalidate the premise proposed by J.R. Church in his book "Hidden Prophecies In the Psalms". If Book 19 (for the 1900's) and Chapter 48 (for the year) do not correlate to 19 + 48 = 1948, and the respective International Recognition of the State of Israel, then you have made your point. However, if there is a "coincidence" (or DESIGN), then you can read other Chapters to attempt to invalidate this premise. But it is unwise to make your unsubstantiated assertion.
With Best Regards,
DaDad

I am speaking with the authority of Christ. If there was substance in these numerical claims then they would be used to PREDICT the future, not map old events to scripture through code mongering.

What predictions does this "system" make about the end times? And...what basis can you possibly have for choosing the dates you are? Keep in mind that the number 1948 represents a FALSE time scale, a humanistic time scale. The actual date would include every single year from the beginning of creation. To argue these things is a waste of time. There is no substance in those claims.

 

[DaDad]

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No, no date giving here either...
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To All,
Please see Post #6

... the 7 year treaty in the temple...

You presume that the Daniel 9 "seventy years"/"seventy weeks" (Dan 9:2/9:24 respectively) are as the majority of commentators present. In fact, this Chapter does not depict an ancient timeline as we're told, but rather a modern timeline.

Consider the 9:2 text "perceived"/"biyn". In 1 Kings 3, Soloman asks for "shama", a simple understanding typical of reading a newspaper, but is given "biyn" a much more complex understanding. And so the "perceived in the books" is NOT a reference to the Book of Jeremiah, but rather the Book of Psalms.

Thus the seventy periods of time (NOT using the concise Feminine Gender text, but rather the inconcise Masculine gender text -- per Young, Keit, & Kliefoth) begin at the "going forth of the Word" (not by some Persian man, but by GOD -- per Young), which is found in the Psalms.

With Best Regards,
DaDad

 

[DaDad]

... 434 years ...

You've presumed the concise Feminine Gender text, when it's the inconcise Masculilne Gender text.

With Best Regards,
DaDad

 

[Kevin Snow]

You've presumed the concise Feminine Gender text, when it's the inconcise Masculilne Gender text.

With Best Regards,
DaDad

No I haven't at all. The word of God is plain and clear in Daniel 9 IN ENGLISH. I haven't done anything with the Hebrew language at all.

 

[DaDad]

... the number 1948 represents a FALSE time scale, a humanistic time scale. The actual date would include every single year from the beginning of creation...

It appears that you PRESUME what GOD would do with a "creation" that uses a different chronological measurement. -- English Standard or Metric. Depends who's using it.

Take for example the Rev. 13 "666". Do you suppose that we use Hebrew? Is it a coincidence that no man can "buy or sell" without using a "computer" which sums to "666" in English (the world's language)? Or how about the one world leader whose name also sums to"666" in English? Or the fact that each barcode (mark) has an embedded "6"/"6"/"6"?

With Best Regards,
DaDad

 

[DaDad]

No I haven't at all. The word of God is plain and clear in Daniel 9 IN ENGLISH. I haven't done anything with the Hebrew language at all.

Please use the ORIGINAL Hebrew text! Walvoord (Daniel, The Key To Prophetic Revelation) acknowledges Young, who in turn acknowledges Keil & Kliefoth in that the text is in the "unusual" inconcise Masculine Gender, found ONLY in the 9th Chapter of Daniel

With Best Regards,
DaDad

 

[Kevin Snow]

It appears that you PRESUME what GOD would do with a "creation" that uses a different chronological measurement. -- English Standard or Metric. Depends who's using it.

Take for example the Rev. 13 "666". Do you suppose that we use Hebrew? Is it a coincidence that no man can "buy or sell" without using a "computer" which sums to "666" in English (the world's language)? Or how about the one world leader whose name also sums to"666" in English? Or the fact that each barcode (mark) has an embedded "6"/"6"/"6"?

With Best Regards,
DaDad

...no substance.

What are we talking about? The context? Prophecy. The word of God. You're just throwing around coincidences and trying to wrap that over the prophecy and see if it sticks. This is not how you interpret prophecy.

Tell me the meaning of 666. That is what the word of God actually says, "this calls for a mind with wisdom, let him who has understanding count the number." So explain it. Rather instead of explaining what it signifies you are just taking the number and finding it in other places and saying "look look! see? eh? eh?" but there is NO substance!

It says in the bible that the "spirit of prophets are subject to prophets" therefore it takes a prophet to interpret prophecy.

Just as the greatest man born of woman, John the Baptist did not KNOW who the Christ was, but had his OWN word from God that he who had the dove descend on him was the one. He said, I did not know him but I testify that this is the man.

That's how prophecy works. A prophet has to interpret it. So it's clear you DON'T understand it so just step down. Wait for the time that it will be revealed.

 

[DaDad]

Tell me the meaning of 666. That is what the word of God actually says, "this calls for a mind with wisdom, let him who has understanding count the number." So explain it.
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To All,
It's quite simple, with a three-fold confirmation as already outlined. But one must first consider what it's NOT. It's NOT a mystery for the church, something that GOD uses to show how smart HE is, and how dumb we are. But as suggested earlier, the church is asleep -- both in the pulpit (typical for a "hireling") and in the pews. 1 Cor. 14 provides that EVERYONE participate, but in practice, only the hireling speaks and the rest of us only participate through our wallet. Thus the church is weak and ineffective.

But to your question, the Rev. 13 "666" is NOT interpreted in Hebrew, anymore than we count number our years from Adam & Eve. Instead we use the Gregorian calendar. And the world's language is not Hebrew, it's English. So we start with the letter "A" and assign increments of "6" to each of the letters:

A = 6
B = 12
C = 18 etc.

Thus when we consider that "no man can buy or sell", we expect that it will be controlled by a "computer" where C=10, O=90, M=72, etc.

Hope This Helps,
DaDad

 

[Kevin Snow]

To All,
It's quite simple, with a three-fold confirmation as already outlined. But one must first consider what it's NOT. It's NOT a mystery for the church, something that GOD uses to show how smart HE is, and how dumb we are. But as suggested earlier, the church is asleep -- both in the pulpit (typical for a "hireling") and in the pews. 1 Cor. 14 provides that EVERYONE participate, but in practice, only the hireling speaks and the rest of us only participate through our wallet. Thus the church is weak and ineffective.

But to your question, the Rev. 13 "666" is NOT interpreted in Hebrew, anymore than we count number our years from Adam & Eve. Instead we use the Gregorian calendar. And the world's language is not Hebrew, it's English. So we start with the letter "A" and assign increments of "6" to each of the letters:

A = 6
B = 12
C = 18 etc.

Thus when we consider that "no man can buy or sell", we expect that it will be controlled by a "computer" where C=10, O=90, M=72, etc.

Hope This Helps,
DaDad

Wow. Just absolutely wrong. What does the 666 mean? So obviously you will have to tell what it IS, not what it's not...just wow.

You then think of the number as a computer program's instructions? You've got to be kidding me. You clearly don't know what it means. So just step down. Wait for the time it will be revealed.

 

[DaDad]

Wow. Just absolutely wrong. ...

As I said. The "church" is weak and ineffective, with the greater part of the fault of the "hireling" who for the most part does all the thinking.

... You then think of the number as a computer program's instructions? ...

Given your perspective, I'm quite confident every store cash register will have several hundred million listings in a Book ready to control exactly who is authorized to "buy and sell" -- and that's just for the U.S. They'll be a larger Book (with 7 billion names) at the customer service desk in case the store has a visitor from abroad. Good call!

2 Peter 3:3

With Best Regards,
DaDad

 

[Chinchilla]

According to the Prophetic Psalms concept as proposed by J.R. Church in his book "Hidden Prophecies In The Psalms", it appears that Psalms 118 (for Book 19, Chapter 118 = the year 19 -- 118 = 2018) is a SIGNIFICANT YEAR.
Psalms 117 is the Shortest Chapter and also the Middle Chapter in ALL Scripture; Psalms 118 is 70 years after the International Recognition of the State Of Israel; and Psalms 119 is the Longest Chapter in all Scripture.
And given that the Trump Administration has recognized that Jerusalem is the Capital if Israel, it seems history agrees with the Scriptural Significance. But to what end? Certainly one could anticipate that the beginning of the 42 month Tribulation (Rev. 13:5) might have a Scripturally and Historically founded Significance, -- and I would propose this linkage.
So for all those people actively Preparing, one might be well considered to anticipate the above time-line which 1 Thess 5 accommodates:

2 For you yourselves know well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. 3 When people say, “There is peace and security,” then sudden destruction will come upon them as travail comes upon a woman with child, and there will be no escape. 4 But you are not in darkness, brethren, for that day to surprise you like a thief. ​

With Best Regards,
DaDad

I don't think that Scriptures were divided in chapters back then .

 

[Kevin Snow]

As I said. The "church" is weak and ineffective, with the greater part of the fault of the "hireling" who for the most part does all the thinking.



Given your perspective, I'm quite confident every store cash register will have several hundred million listings in a Book ready to control exactly who is authorized to "buy and sell" -- and that's just for the U.S. They'll be a larger Book (with 7 billion names) at the customer service desk in case the store has a visitor from abroad. Good call!

2 Peter 3:3

With Best Regards,
DaDad

You seem to miss the obvious: that the fact that the antichrist causes all to not be able to buy and sell without receiving the mark has nothing to do with what the mark means. Why is the mark of the antichrist 666? That is the question you clearly can't answer and I don't blame you for it. What I blame you for, is acting like you have understanding of these things when you're only guessing. And this is not the nature of the interpretation of prophecy. When the interpretation of this prophecy comes, it will not be a guess. It will be the interpretation by the authority of God.

 

[DaDad]

To All,

The subject in this Thread remains whether 1 Thess. 5 condemns the "church" to the same Darkness as the world regarding Jesus' return, or whether we are promised the LIGHT and knowledge of HIS return. And if the LIGHT, then the time of his return.

And to be perfectly accurate, -- if there were a multi-day feast, exactly which day or hour is indeterminable. But we CAN know the FEAST. And if we know the FEAST, then the millennia (1,000), daytona (500), century (100), score (20), decade (10), year (1), and season should be elementary.

And given the premise proposed by J.R. Church, author of "Hidden Prophecies In The Psalms", those anticipating future events can be informed.

With Best Regards,
DaDad