Age of the earth, why is it relevant?!

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The prompt is supernatural and therefore cannot be explained by human reasoning.
So is a still small voice. Unless you believe that is not God.

John 6:44
“No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them,
and I will raise them up at the last day.

We don't disagree as to John 6:44 but we seem to disagree on what form that prompt may take. For some it may be that "still small voice"- Jack C., for others it may be an assent from an intellectual inquiry - Edward F., for some it may be at their absolute lowest point of desperation - Rich G., and so on, it varies. Each instance is a prompt from God by use of a different reason within our human circumstance.
 
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I have peace with God. A personal relationship with Him. There is no human reasoning for this.

Philippians 4:7
And the peace of God, which transcends all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus.

So did you have peace with God before you committed your life to Christ? In most instances one is seeking for some human reasoning to find such peace...
 
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I already have as concerns creation...as with today one can simply understand that things, and people, grow and gestation takes time...things do not "pop" into existence but there is a process involved. The volcanic eruption in Hawaii will over time produce a new landscape and that change is a process... and as noted in John 12:24... one can check their baby pictures beginning with the smile on their mother's face. Life is filled with processes both in the realm of nature and of a personal nature.
"... things do not "pop" into existence..." ???
Okay.
Explain where the bread and fish came from in the feeding of the 5 thousand. (Matt.14:13-21)
It seems that a lot something popped into existence. (12 baskets full of leftovers too)
From where exactly? What does your human reasoning tell you? (didn't happen)
 
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"... things do not "pop" into existence..." ???
Okay.
Explain where the bread and fish came from in the feeding of the 5 thousand. (Matt.14:13-21)
It seems that a lot something popped into existence. (12 baskets full of leftovers too)
From where exactly? What does your human reasoning tell you? (didn't happen)

Let us have you answer the questions posed to you before we go to far afield. You have not replied to a number of my queries.
 
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So did you have peace with God before you committed your life to Christ? In most instances one is seeking for some human reasoning to find such peace...
Is it just me, or are you reasoning your way around the Bible.
I just quoted Philippians 4:7 which says...
… the peace of God, which transcends all understanding...
 
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Let us have you answer the questions posed to you before we go to far afield. You have not replied to a number of my queries.
We are off topic. (sort of)
I think we need to apologize to the thread originator and take this somewhere else.
If that works, tell me where.
 
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Is it just me, or are you reasoning your way around the Bible. I just quoted Philippians 4:7 which says... … the peace of God, which transcends all understanding...

Post #120 - did you have peace with God before you accepted Christ as your Savior?
 
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We are off topic. (sort of)
I think we need to apologize to the thread originator and take this somewhere else.
If that works, tell me where.

If you would like you may start a new thread on Say 1 Peter 3:15 or similar that would address this discussion.
 
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If you would like you may start a new thread on Say 1 Peter 3:15 or similar that would address this discussion.
Let's drop it.
I don't think I am that interested in what you are talking about.
Thanks for your time.

To answer the remaining question:
No, I did not have peace with God before I accepted Christ.
I didn't expect it and it wasn't reasonable. It was supernatural.
It popped out of nowhere. lol
 
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Wow. Regurgitated ignorance at it's finest. A Theory is the highest level something can be. A claim is made, it gets tested and retested over and over, peer reviewed, makes predictions and becomes a theory. Check out www.notjustatheory.com and take the couple of minutes needed to read the home page. It's an easy and light read with a pretty good explanation of what a theory is.

Evolution is a fact. There are mountains of evidence to look through. I understand it is easier to take the word of others that believe everything you do without question and then repeat it to others, but I like to fact check and make sure my search for truth is logical and fair.
Well, I'm sorry scotty, it's not a fact. It's still a theory, and a theory isn't fact. That's why it's called a theory. No one has been able to effectively prove it as of yet, which is why it's called a theory. That is by definition, what a theory is. It's a set of ideas that people collect through data and analysis that "attempts" to explain a phenomenon. The things you're mentioning regarding evolution have been brought up, and they are things people use to try and prove it, but as I said, there are too many variables that have kept it from being 100% fact as of right now. Hence the reason it's still called the "theory of evolution", because it's not proven to be a fact yet. Will it be one day? It's my belief, that yes. Science will "prove" it to be a fact within our generation, but I won't believe that judgement.

There are too many things regarding evolution that either go against the grain of what's believed to be true, things that have been lied about, left out and omitted from data sets to skew results in the favor of the theory, or simply strongly exaggerated to make their case. There's too many things that throw up red flags for me to accept it, even if a wildly popular and renown scientist comes along and says it's a fact one day. But, that's yet to happen, because it's still a theory, and is yet to be proven, hence the term theory.

Gravity isn't a theory, it's a fact, or technically a law. Right? Well, gravity IS explained, in the theory of relativity. Gravity is a law, but the "theory" of relativity, is not. It's simply a thought or an idea used to explain something that we don't know that much about yet. Sometimes that theory is proven, and it's no longer called a theory. Such as gravity. Instead of calling it the theory of gravity as it once was, it's the law of gravity. Some scientific circles call it a theory still, but that's only some circles.

Evolution is a theory because it's got too many things preventing it from being predicted, understood, and just plain flat out proven. The very idea of it implies that the animal that didn't evolve, is weaker than the version of itself that did (generally). Sometimes they imply that the evolution would make the creature weaker at times, until they evolve further, or that chain of evolutionary changes dies out and begins anew with another specimen. My point is, if eventually, a species evolves into a stronger, better version, then the remaining version of that animal, would cease to exist. If an entire species changed for the better, the entire species should change, not split off into two or several different species. If we came from monkeys, there should no longer be monkeys, otherwise how could you prove that we came from monkeys? Basically every single animal has similar bone structure, so the idea that we have similar structures doesn't make much sense. There's more into this whole evolution from monkey idea that we could get into that cause me to disbelieve in the whole thing as well, but that's another topic for another time. An entirely different can of worms.
 
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How is it you assume it "appears" old? I see just the opposite, Been all over north America too. One thing is consistent. What is seen is the result of Noah's ( and a hundred indigenous cultures all over the world) flood.
I'm not assuming anything. The earth could be billions of years old, or it could only appear so.
 
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Again, address what scripture clearly states "And God said, Let the land produce..." that is mediate creation. The commands whether water or land has God speaking to the created matter to produce, seems quite clear. Genesis 2:7 "made from dust" … and the significant part "breathed...the breath of life..."

Again, one may disagree with the various interpretations of Genesis/Creation but as you stated no one should claim to have all of the answers.

Nothing on my comments on Adam, and the indications thereof?
 
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Well because - if evolution is true, God isn't. Either God created all life in one day, or the bible is lying.

Devin.
True, when viewed from a literal, fundamentalist perspective, the bible does seem to conflict with science, however, when viewed as a compilation of stories, myths, and folklore which aren't based on factual, historical information that's meant to convey a deeper philosophical meaning, the bible and science both explain the same natural phenomena but from different directions. So, philosophically, god can be conceived as true and science/evolution can also be true simultaneously.
 
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Devin.
True, when viewed from a literal, fundamentalist perspective, the bible does seem to conflict with science, however, when viewed as a compilation of stories, myths, and folklore which aren't based on factual, historical information that's meant to convey a deeper philosophical meaning, the bible and science both explain the same natural phenomena but from different directions. So, philosophically, god can be conceived as true and science/evolution can also be true simultaneously.
That's definitely not taking the bible the way it's meant to be taken. It's the literal word of God, kept for us to rediscover and be led back into right standing with a very real creator. That's where I'd differ. I don't really see scripture as a "compilation of stories, myths, and folklore" not based on actual fact. I believe it's a compilation of actual events that actually happened, that can definitely be proven when looking back at history.

I do however agree with your first statement that says that when looking at the bible literally it does seem to conflict with science though. The rest of what you said, we just look at scripture and the world entirely differently man. Only God can reconcile that.
 
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One might pose such questions about the age of the earth to the scientists at the Institute of Creation Research (www.icr.org) and see how they support the Bible as God has given us. If one receives their monthly magazine each month one will see most subjects of creation discussed from pure science ---without the philosophies of atheistic scientists in America's Academy Of Science, which is deceiving man. One can believe whoever they want, of course, but those with real faith in God and His Word will be pleased to learn what Christians, who are Ph.D scientists, are saying.
 
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That's definitely not taking the bible the way it's meant to be taken. It's the literal word of God, kept for us to rediscover and be led back into right standing with a very real creator. That's where I'd differ. I don't really see scripture as a "compilation of stories, myths, and folklore" not based on actual fact. I believe it's a compilation of actual events that actually happened, that can definitely be proven when looking back at history.

I do however agree with your first statement that says that when looking at the bible literally it does seem to conflict with science though. The rest of what you said, we just look at scripture and the world entirely differently man. Only God can reconcile that.

Here we go with the dogma... My man, how on earth do you know how the bible was meant to be taken??? Don't you think that is very presumptuous of you?? You claim that its the word of god but within the book there is incest, genocide, racism, slavery, and a host of other questionable social norms. To say that the bible is a book of stories actually helps it in terms of logic and contemporary social acceptance. But when you say its literal then that presents a lot of problems that force you and many others to spend a considerable amount of time trying to justify that claim. For instance, the flood story is scientifically impossible. How could geographically-bound animals like the penguin, koala, kangaroo, etc. make it onto the ark in the Arabian region? To accept this story as fact forces one to deny common sense and logic. And god is an allegory for energy. If he was real then all of the other thousands of gods that mankind claimed to have existed were real too.
 
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One might pose such questions about the age of the earth to the scientists at the Institute of Creation Research (www.icr.org) and see how they support the Bible as God has given us. If one receives their monthly magazine each month one will see most subjects of creation discussed from pure science ---without the philosophies of atheistic scientists in America's Academy Of Science, which is deceiving man. One can believe whoever they want, of course, but those with real faith in God and His Word will be pleased to learn what Christians, who are Ph.D scientists, are saying.

What does it mean to faith in god? How can we trust something none of has never seen ever?? I have yet to see god come down and preach a sermon, correct the mess of the world, or right the religious wrongs. C'mon guys...
 
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