Your Thoughts on Creation & Evolution

[Allandavid]

So to get back on track. What is it about the fossil record that proves evolution to you. Please my kind sir?

Well, the easiest, shortest reply is that EVERY, SINGLE FOSSIL that has ever been unearthed fits EXACTLY into the branching pattern of species that evolution would predict.

Of the millions of fossils that we have examined, not one counters the predictions the theory would make...

Unless you have one...?

 

[the iconoclast]

I’m writing this while tucked up in my bed, next to my warm wife, on a cold Australian winter’s night...

So, no.....

Hey hey

Well that sounds awesome. I hope you are comfortable and prosperous my dear.

Maybe we could become good friends. We could have our own bromance?

Well, the easiest, shortest reply is that EVERY, SINGLE FOSSIL that has ever been unearthed fits EXACTLY into the branching pattern of species that evolution would predict.

Of the millions of fossils that we have examined, not one counters the predictions the theory would make...

Unless you have one...?

Branching pattern hey. Do you believe all life and all this diversity came from a one single celled ancestor?

Cheers

 

[jamesbond007]

One of the most weird evolution hypothesis is humans evolved from apes. We know this is impossible and it's observational science vs historical science. Observational science is observable, testable, repeatable and falsifiable. Historical science is based on forensic evidence that we find. For example, we see a planet one light year away from us and understand that what we see is not where the planet is anymore, i.e. it could have moved to another orbit position and that what we are seeing is where it was in the past.

 

[Allandavid]

One of the most weird evolution hypothesis is humans evolved from apes. We know this is impossible and it's observational science vs historical science. Observational science is observable, testable, repeatable and falsifiable. Historical science is based on forensic evidence that we find. For example, we see a planet one light year away from us and understand that what we see is not where the planet is anymore, i.e. it could have moved to another orbit position and that what we are seeing is where it was in the past.

You fall at the first hurdle....your opening sentence does not reflect evolutionary theory....

 

[Allandavid]

Hey hey

Well that sounds awesome. I hope you are comfortable and prosperous my dear.

Maybe we could become good friends. We could have our own bromance?




Branching pattern hey. Do you believe all life and all this diversity came from a one single celled ancestor?

Cheers

No.

 

[the iconoclast]

No.

No to what my new friend?

 

[DogmaHunter]

Maybe... I'm tired. I'll look into it if you would like to post what it is you would like me to reply to.

Please do not be offended if I cant or dont my dear.

Why would I be offended if you don't reply to a post that wasn't even addressed to you?
As for which post it is, you refered to it earlier yourself.

I'll go ahead and assume that you had a post in mind that you were referring to.
It's the one with all the nice pictures of transitional fossils.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Hey hey allan

Your position my dear (.eg evolution). What evidence confirms this for you?
Cheers

DNA and the nested hierarchy it falls into.

Comparative anatomy and the nested hierarchy that matches the one we obtain through genetics.

Geographic distribution of species which matches the evolution lineages inferred from the previous 2 and cross referenced with plate tectonic activity obtained through geology.

The fact that we have observed speciation events in the wild as well as the lab

The fossil record and how it matches with the previous 4 points.

...

In other words, the evidence is multiple independent lines of evidence spanning different fields which all converge on the exact same answer.

It doesn't get more solid then that in science.

It is, in fact, why people say that the evidence is overwhelming.

Evolution theory is confirmed, everywhere we look.

 

[DogmaHunter]

What about the fossils record that gives evidence for evolution?

You're welcome.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Do you believe all life and all this diversity came from a one single celled ancestor?

That is what the evidence suggests.
Not a SINGLE ancestor though. A population thereof.
Perhaps even multiple such populations.

 

[DogmaHunter]

One of the most weird evolution hypothesis is humans evolved from apes.

Or from mammals!

We know this is impossible and it's observational science vs historical science.

Ow joy....
A student from the Ken Ham 'university'.

Observational science is observable, testable, repeatable and falsifiable. Historical science is based on forensic evidence that we find. For example, we see a planet one light year away from us and understand that what we see is not where the planet is anymore, i.e. it could have moved to another orbit position and that what we are seeing is where it was in the past.

LOL!
See, this is what Ken Ham logic results....
The inability to understand that events of the past leave evidence that can be investigated / tested in the present.

 

[tyke]

See, this is what Ken Ham logic results....

It's almost embarrassing how easily creationists swallow this rubbish hook, line and sinker.
Same goes for the nonsense spouted by the Hovinds, Comfort, AIG et al.

 

[Skreeper]

One of the most weird evolution hypothesis is humans evolved from apes. We know this is impossible and it's observational science vs historical science. Observational science is observable, testable, repeatable and falsifiable. Historical science is based on forensic evidence that we find. For example, we see a planet one light year away from us and understand that what we see is not where the planet is anymore, i.e. it could have moved to another orbit position and that what we are seeing is where it was in the past.

 

[PsychoSarah]

One of the most weird evolution hypothesis is humans evolved from apes.

-_- not really a hypothesis so much as demonstrable fact, given that we are apes and definitely aren't the first species of ape to develop.

We know this is impossible and it's observational science vs historical science.

-_- evolution is observable, we watch it happen all the time. There are various experiments involving birds, bacteria, and lizards that demonstrate that significant physiological changes can and do occur within populations. Heck, even my Triops evolution experiment yielded two different physiological traits (significantly larger size and longer tails) in less than 10 generations.

Evolution is easy to observe in small populations of organisms that reproduce frequently within a relatively short amount of time, and even large populations will always have changes in the trends of traits. For example, a mutation that makes humans require fewer hours of sleep to feel rested is becoming increasingly common within our species; perhaps a reflection of our more fast paced lifestyle as of late.

Observational science is observable, testable, repeatable and falsifiable.

All things which I am sure you incorrectly think do not apply to evolution, but they do. Just because I can't observe the Cambrian explosion (which took over 20 million years) doesn't mean I can't observe evolutionary events that occur within my own lifetime.

Historical science is based on forensic evidence that we find. For example, we see a planet one light year away from us and understand that what we see is not where the planet is anymore, i.e. it could have moved to another orbit position and that what we are seeing is where it was in the past.

-_- I don't think a delayed observation is what you should be trying to go for, given that we would see where that planet was the previous year every year. That is, our observations would always be just a year behind, but we could still watch it for many years and get a very accurate picture of what happened to it, what its orbit is like, etc.

 

[AV1611VET]

-_- not really a hypothesis so much as demonstrable fact,

Which all boils down to what? the theory of evolution?

 

[PsychoSarah]

Which all boils down to what? the theory of evolution?

-_- you know what a scientific theory is. Also, the theory of evolution explains the HOW and WHY. That populations change over time is the demonstrable fact that the theory exists to explain.

 

[AV1611VET]

That populations change over time is the demonstrable fact that the theory exists to explain.

What does immigration have to do with it?

 

[PsychoSarah]

What does immigration have to do with it?

Quite a bit in terms of genetic drift and the creation of isolated populations as well as the merging of previously isolate populations, but you are well aware that I was speaking of populations of organisms changing beyond merely moving around.

 

[AV1611VET]

... but you are well aware that I was speaking of populations of organisms changing beyond merely moving around.

 

[NBB]

I'ts very hard to believe a group of amoebas became all the other animals with a process with 0% guidance, design or intelligence.

Nature complex designs show that they are intelligently constructed, so much that we copy nature design to make our own designed things.

Evo people says animals have bad designs because an 1% part of them seems bad designed not taking in account that the other 99% part that is well designed.