THE SABBATH IS GOD'S 4th COMMANDMENT - WHERE IS THE SCRIPTURE THAT SAYS IT IS ABOLISHED?

[συνείδησις]

Yes... because the words that were on stone are being moved to the mind and heart directly. No more reading and following... those words will be in us, part of us... and that is better. But... they are the same words... words like serve God only, honor mom and dad, don't steal...

No, he only moved the last part of Leviticus 19:18 to our minds and hearts and shelved the rest.

 

[συνείδησις]

God’s commands are not a burden. Loving God and loving your neighbor as yourself is from the LAW, brother.
1 John 5:3-4 NIV
Deuteronomy 6:4 Leviticus 19:18 are the 2 greatest commands that Christ gave. These 2 commands summarize the whole law and are from the law.

It's from the law, but it's not the law of Moses. Christ took that one commandment from the law of Moses and made it his law.

 

[Dkh587]

It's from the law, but it's not the law of Moses. Christ took that one commandment from the law of Moses and made it his law.

You’re right. They’re not Moses’ laws. They’re God’s laws, even though they are often referred to as the laws of Moses. Moses got them from God.

 

[συνείδησις]

Most of the Sunday Christians don’t know their Bible, because God told his people that if someone tells you to not obey his commands, to not listen to them.

This is how I know that these people on this board have a gross misunderstanding of the Apostle Paul and the rest of the NT, because if he really was teaching people to not obey the commandments, then he is worthy of the death penalty for leading God’s people astray to worship other gods. Matte

It's like this. When Christ and the 3 disciples (pillars of the church) were on the mount of transfiguration together with Moses (the law) and Elijah (prophets), who did GOD tell the disciples to listen to? Moses? Nope. Elijah? Nope. "This is my beloved son. Listen to him."

 

[συνείδησις]

You’re right. They’re not Moses’ laws. They’re God’s laws, even though they are often referred to as the laws of Moses. Moses got them from God.

And Christ is GOD so his law is supreme.

 

[Dkh587]

It's like this. When Christ and the 3 disciples (pillars of the church) were on the mount of transfiguration together with Moses (the law) and Elijah (prophets), who did GOD tell the disciples to listen to? Moses? Nope. Elijah? Nope. "This is my beloved son. Listen to him."

That has nothing to do with what I posted.

 

[συνείδησις]

No, he only moved the last part of Leviticus 19:18 to our minds and hearts and shelved the rest.

What's interesting about the last part of Leviticus 19:18 is that it contains elements of both commandments of Christ: love GOD and love your neighbor as yourself.

Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD. Leviticus 19:18​

 

[NBB]

I don't know if is needed to keep the sabbath or not in grace time, it is a sin if not? i don't think so because those verses in the NT. I think SDA and other denominations fight over nothing here.

 

[Ken Rank]

No, he only moved the last part of Leviticus 19:18 to our minds and hearts and shelved the rest.

Great... so it is ok to ordain homosexual preachers now because only love is important and anything else that infringes on love even if between two men when God called that an abomination, is ok. You just changed the character of God and you don't see it. I don't want to be the cause of you saying any more so I am out.

Blessings.
Ken

 

[Ken Rank]

I don't know if is needed to keep the sabbath or not in grace time, it is a sin if not? i don't think so because those verses in the NT. I think SDA and other denominations fight over nothing here.

God has always been a God of grace. He does not change.... if He was a God of law then He is now, if He is a God of grace today He was then... He does not change!

 

[NBB]

God has always been a God of grace. He does not change.... if He was a God of law then He is now, if He is a God of grace today He was then... He does not change!

well i mean that after Christ the 'grace came' to all..

 

[συνείδησις]

Great... so it is ok to ordain homosexual preachers now because only love is important and anything else that infringes on love even if between two men when God called that an abomination, is ok. You just changed the character of God and you don't see it. I don't want to be the cause of you saying any more so I am out.

Being homosexual is not loving one's self because it comes from man, not GOD. And we are to love others as we love ourselves. We can't really love others if we're not loving ourselves.

 

[Ken Rank]

Being homosexual is not loving one's self because it comes from man, not GOD. And we are to love others as we love ourselves. We can't really love others if we're not loving ourselves.

That is YOUR interpretation and how you justify calling for a lawless NT but also understanding Christ's call for obedience. But the bottom line is that the law moves from the stone to the heart and it is the same law. This is clearly prophesied in placed like Ezekiel 11:19 and others.

You can't claim the 10 commandments are done away with... which is exactly what you are saying... and then not be calling for a lawless covenant. You just can't and you'll come to see that one day.

No sense in risking any animosity here. We don't agree... no reason to force our views on each other. You can have the last word. Be blessed.

Ken

 

[NBB]

Somewhere in the nt it says:
Let nobody judge you about sabbaths and other things.
What about that?

 

[συνείδησις]

That is YOUR interpretation and how you justify calling for a lawless NT but also understanding Christ's call for obedience.

Christ commanded to love, and there is no law against love (Galatians 5:22-23), so loving is not lawless.

 

[Ken Rank]

Somewhere if the nt it says:
Let nobody judge you about sabbaths and other things.
What about that?

See... when it comes to the new moons, and feasts and Sabbath... Paul says not to allow others to judge us concerning them. Now, if we are not supposed to keep them anymore... there wouldn't be anything to judge. But, if God didn't do away with these things, and we are to do them as best we can, we are not to let others judge us concerning them. We have to be DOING THEM to be judged for them... and those that don't do it and insist they are done away with... have nothing regarding them to judge because they aren't a part of their lives.

 

[Ken Rank]

Christ commanded to love, and there is no law against love (Galatians 5:22-23), so loving is not lawless.

But saying "do not lay with a man as he would a woman" is done away with... as you are saying... is lawlessness! It is... because that is law and you are saying don't do it... that is the definition of lawless.

Take care.
Ken

 

[NBB]

See... when it comes to the new moons, and feasts and Sabbath... Paul says not to allow others to judge us concerning them. Now, if we are not supposed to keep them anymore... there wouldn't be anything to judge. But, if God didn't do away with these things, and we are to do them as best we can, we are not to let others judge us concerning them. We have to be DOING THEM to be judged for them... and those that don't do it and insist they are done away with... have nothing regarding them to judge because they aren't a part of their lives.

I interpret that verse that for example a jew, would judge someone in that time because they are not keeping those things, and Paul said to him that.?
He talks about meat and drink too in that verse...

 

[συνείδησις]

But saying "do not lay with a man as he would a woman" is done away with... as you are saying... is lawlessness! It is... because that is law and you are saying don't do it... that is the definition of lawless.

Paul specifically said that no sodomite has an inheritance in the kingdom of GOD. So the faith itself (the teachings of Christ and his apostles) is not lawless by any means. Neither is it the law of Moses.

 

[Ken Rank]

I interpret that verse that for example a jew, would judge someone in that time because they are not keeping those things, and Paul said to him that.?

The thing is, the first "Christians" were Jews, and they continued to keep the law.

Acts 21:20 When they heard this, they praised God. Then they said to Paul: "You see, brother, how many thousands of Jews have believed, and all of them are zealous for the law.

The "many thousands" is the word murias which is the Greek word for 10,000. It is plural, so can mean at least 20,000 which would be 1/4 of the Jewish population of Jerusalem at that time, or at least "thousands upon thousands." So this isn't a Jewish rejection of Yeshua as messiah... that is a Christian misunderstanding that comes out of the lens we use to interpret that we are born into... that emanates from long ago once the faith left Judea and more "Christians" were non-Jewish and didn't want to appear Jewish. If you want a short look at the history of first century Christianity... here is an article I wrote. It is an abridged version but one that at least gives us some details the church, in general, lacks.

Bottom line, if you are not supposed to do something, and are not doing, there is nothing to judge. That is why the mainstream Christian view of Paul's words regarding not being judged for the Sabbath was related to those who were keeping it.