Sarah Sanders and Family Denied Service at Virginia Restaurant

[brinny]

That might be. But I can't find "private businesses refusing service to customers who have shown hostility to their employees" under the definition of totalitarianism. Did you mean to post in a different thread?

Great. We got started with some facts. Lets add to the fact that Sarah Sanders did not book it under her name which would have immediately given the private small business a chance to decline that reservation. If we are doing facts lets get them all out there.



This is not a fact. This is your opinion. Please, stick to facts.

For example, this is exactly how the exchange went:

The small business owner asked to privately speak to Sarah Sanders and did so. She explained to Sarah Sanders that she and her employees were not comfortable serving her due to her divisive character and political power she holds as a public servant. This small business owner was making a political protest solely against Sarah Sanders and only asked her to leave.



Hyperbole. Why the quotes? What is your intention here trying to highlight this? There was no "throwing". Sarah Sanders stated that she said, "Fine, I will leave." She then left the property.



The remaining 7 party members were told they were welcome to stay and enjoy the meal on the house.



This is not a fact. It may be what you wish had happened but is certainly not a fact. Can you provide evidence that the exchange happened as you have described?



Sarah had no right to be there after she was asked to leave. This is a fact. The owner has a right to refuse service to customers under certain circumstances. This was a circumstance where the owner was lawfully able to deny service to Sarah Sanders. Sarah Sanders understood this at the time which is why she left the property.



Opinion.

Opinion.

That's all this thread is, is opinions.

My responses may be opinions, but it's based on how this restaurant owner surely has set herself up, and catch-22'd her own business by yes, treating a "customer" this way.

The "throwing out" is fact. That's what the "code" meant on the picture of the restaurant paper means, to "throw out" (that i posted earlier").

 

[brinny]

Private property != Public life. Stop with extremism.

Private property?

Ok.

There needs to be a sign outside stating that it is private property, no trespassing allowed.

Extremism, by the way, is throwing out a customer in that manner, and "coding" it that way, as their intention to "throw this customer out".

 

[TLK Valentine]

No some of them that are written down are not sincerely held by people of that faith. But in a court of law there is evidence, proof that of what ones faith teaches, and in many cases, such as the bakers there is evidence of selling other created goods to gay/lesbian customers.

If a person's sincere religious beliefs are limited only to that which is officially written down in a state-approved religious text, then you have a problem, because nowhere in the Bible is it written, "thou shalt not sell to teh gheys."

 

[Brent W]

That's all this thread is, is opinions.

No it isn't. There are a great many facts stated in this thread.

My responses may be opinions

You are correct, the are only your opinions. They are not supported by facts.

but it's based on how this restaurant owner surely has set herself up

She did everything by the law of the land. What is sad is how the public official has handled this small business owner standing up for her rights.

and catch-22'd her own business by yes, treating a "customer" this way.

She denied service to a public official and exercised her rights as a U.S Citizen and small business owner. She, despite having differing opinions with the remaining 7 party members, invited them to stay and enjoy the meal on her dime.

The "throwing out" is fact.

Her asking her politely and privately to leave is a fact. Your use of the word "throwing out" and placing it in quotes is an attempt to add drama to a situation that was private, polite and respectful on both parties.

That's what the "code" meant on the picture of the restaurant paper means, to "throw out" (that i posted earlier").

I am well aware of what the employee wrote on the whiteboard after the incident took place. Just so we are clear, you are saying that an employee, not the small business owner who privately took Sarah Sanders aside and politely asked her to leave while stating her reasons, is the one that wrote the message on the whiteboard?

 

[TLK Valentine]

No not at all. Beliefs (or lack of them) could vary, as they might about tax policy.

Agreed -- which means in the interest of fairness, the government must honor them all to the same extent.

 

[Brent W]

There needs to be a sign outside stating that it is private property, no trespassing allowed.

What? Sarah Sanders was never trespassing. When she was asked to leave she left. Please understand what trespassing is.

Extremism, by the way, is throwing out a customer in that manner, and "coding" it that way, as their intention to "throw this customer out".

No it isn't that is your opinion on what it is. That is certainly not what the definition of Extremism is.

 

[KCfromNC]

Private property?

Ok.

There needs to be a sign outside stating that it is private property, no trespassing allowed.

Case law, please.

Extremism, by the way, is throwing out a customer in that manner, and "coding" it that way, as their intention to "throw this customer out".

According to which dictionary?

Speaking of which, still looking to find a definition of totalitarianism which includes allowing private individuals to express political disagreements with administration officials. For some reason that seemed to be missing from your response.

 

[brinny]

No it isn't. There are a great many facts stated in this thread.



You are correct, the are only your opinions. They are not supported by facts.



She did everything by the law of the land. What is sad is how the public official has handled this small business owner standing up for her rights.



She denied service to a public official and exercised her rights as a U.S Citizen and small business owner. She, despite having differing opinions with the remaining 7 party members, invited them to stay and enjoy the meal on her dime.



Her asking her politely and privately to leave is a fact. Your use of the word "throwing out" and placing it in quotes is an attempt to add drama to a situation that was private, polite and respectful on both parties.



I am well aware of what the employee wrote on the whiteboard after the incident took place. Just so we are clear, you are saying that an employee, not the small business owner who privately took Sarah Sanders aside and politely asked her to leave while stating her reasons, is the one that wrote the message on the whiteboard?

The owner used the code.

The code means to "throw out".

That's a fact.

 

[section9+1]

There is no unchallenged immutable cosmic law of nature that says Trump employees are bad and should be denied service. This was done based entirely on a personal choice. I am ok with that. I'd just like to see it done across the board.

 

[KCfromNC]

There is no unchallenged immutable cosmic law of nature that says Trump employees are bad and should be denied service.

It seems this had more to do with the person saying bad things about the employees. No one should expect to do that and then be served by those same employees. Being a Trump employee doesn't change that fact.

I mean, it is cool the Trump admin is trying to appeal to their base by opposing rights for certain minority groups. Good luck with it. But don't actively participate in that sort of nonsense and then expect them not to push back.

 

[Brent W]

The owner used the code.

The code means to "throw out".

That's a fact.

You are incorrect. The owner did not use the code. One of her employees did.

 

[KWCrazy]

It seems this had more to do with the person saying bad things about the employees.

Not true. She was asked to leave because she worked for the president.

I mean, it is cool the Trump admin is trying to appeal to their base by opposing rights for certain minority groups.

There is no truth in your words. Illegal aliens are not a minority group. They are residents of foreign countries who snuck into our country. Every illegal alien violated our laws.

The Trump administration will lift more minorities from poverty than any Democrat in America's history. All the lies and hatred from the left can't change that. Trump has yet to pass a single immigration law. The law all the leftists are complaining about today was passed by Bill Clinton and enforced by Obama. Dishonest much?

 

[Brent W]

Not true. She was asked to leave because she worked for the president.

You are correct. The small business owner exercised her right of political protest against solely Sarah Sanders.

There is no truth in your words. Illegal aliens are not a minority group. They are residents of foreign countries who snuck into our country. Every illegal alien violated our laws.

The Trump administration will lift more minorities from poverty than any Democrat in America's history. All the lies and hatred from the left can't change that. Trump has yet to pass a single immigration law. The law all the leftists are complaining about today was passed by Bill Clinton and enforced by Obama. Dishonest much?

This has nothing to do with this thread. If you want to go on a tangent about the left and immigration I am sure you have plenty of options elsewhere to get your daily whining about one side of the political spectrum out of your system.

 

[brinny]

You are incorrect. The owner did not use the code. One of her employees did.

The owner "coded" this customer. The employee didn't make that fatal decision. The owner did.

 

[Brent W]

The owner "coded" this customer. The employee didn't make that fatal decision. The owner did.

You are not correct. The owner asked Sarah Sanders to leave privately and she did and never once invoked this code. One of her employees, later that evening after the store closed, wrote the 86 code on a whiteboard used by closing employees to write notes for the opening manager the next day.

At no point did the owner of the small business ever use the 86 term.

 

[brinny]

You are not correct. The owner asked Sarah Sanders to leave privately and she did and never once invoked this code. One of her employees, later that evening after the store closed, wrote the 86 code on a whiteboard used by closing employees to write notes for the opening manager the next day.

At no point did the owner of the small business ever use the 86 term.

What facts are you basing this on?

Please post.

Thank you.

 

[section9+1]

It seems this had more to do with the person saying bad things about the employees. No one should expect to do that and then be served by those same employees. Being a Trump employee doesn't change that fact.

I mean, it is cool the Trump admin is trying to appeal to their base by opposing rights for certain minority groups. Good luck with it. But don't actively participate in that sort of nonsense and then expect them not to push back.

Of course there will be push back. I get it. I get that people call it nonsense. I also get that pushing goes both ways. It is how enemies are made. It is the way things work in the world. "They say peace, peace, but there shall be no peace." Stuff like this always is food for the opposition. It is what BLM, KKK, gay rights, alt-right, woke and all the rest feed on. This is fodder and life for all kinds of emnity. You are a servant of strife and it will not stop or die. Sometimes I remember that all things work together for the good of those who love God. Maybe it's not so bad after all.

 

[Brent W]

What facts are you basing this on?

Please post.

Thank you.

Happy to. Look forward to where you have facts that point to the owner of the store using the 86 term.

The owner of the Red Hen explains why she asked Sarah Huckabee Sanders to leave

Specifically:

At the end of the shift, Wilkinson said, staff members left the usual overnight note in the kitchen for the morning manager: a problem with the credit card machine. Restock vodka and tequila.

If you’ve ever heard the term “to 86 someone,” it comes from the restaurant industry — code to refuse service, or alternatively to take an item off the menu.

“86 – Sara Huckabee Sanders,” read the note, below the reminder to buy more Pellegrino.

One of the servers photographed the whiteboard before going home Friday. He had posted it to his public Facebook wall by the time Wilkinson woke up Saturday. For all the angst that evening, Wilkinson said, everything had taken place with decorum. She had been polite; Sanders had been polite; the press secretary’s family had been polite as they followed her out the door.

As you can see, Wilkinson did not write this or use this term. The closing employees did.

If you have evidence other wise, by all means, please post it.

 

[brinny]

Happy to. Look forward to where you have facts that point to the owner of the store using the 86 term.

The owner of the Red Hen explains why she asked Sarah Huckabee Sanders to leave

Specifically:



As you can see, Wilkinson did not write this or use this term. The closing employees did.

If you have evidence other wise, by all means, please post it.

Sarah, the customers, and all 7 of the customers accompanying her had been served food already??!!

Are you kidding me???!!!

They were interrupted in the middle of eating from the cheese board???!!!

 

[Brent W]

Sarah, the customers, and all 7 of the customers accompanying her had been served food already??!!

Are you kidding me???!!!

They were interrupted in the middle of eating from the cheese board???!!!

Yes. How did you not know this? Are you not up on all the facts here? If so, maybe read up a bit more before arguing relentlessly over something you clearly have not researched in depth.

That fact has nothing to do with your incorrect statement that the owner of the business used the term or code 86.