Trump's Base WILL Show Up At The Polls

[mark46]

In off-elections, the new president's party usually loses many seats in the House.

One reason is that the turnout is much lower, with many fewer supporters voting.

The second reason is that the president is perceived to have failed to meet promises. Obviously, no president can meet all his promises in 2 years.

Finally, having elected a president, the American public often decides to vote for the other party as a check on the president. The opposition party's people also tend to come out in large numbers to provide a check on the new president.
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TRUMP IS DOING ALL HE CAN TO GET HIS BASE TO TURN OUT TO VOTE
Immigration is a HUGE issue for Trump. Standing tough against the hordes from the South and the Middle East resonates with his base. To be clear, Trump's approach may be the only chance Republicans have to hold the House, along with the threat that Democrats will greatly increase their taxes and will approve liberals to the court (who will take away their guns). There is ONE GOAL: to get out the vote.

Sessions, Kelly and Miller strongly supported separation. The pictures were meant to be mean spirited. Steve Miller believes that 90% of Americans support the president on this issue. Trump is most happy having the issue be repressive opposition to illegal entry vs open borders. This will get his base out. Listen to FOX folk.

The bottom line is that Trump holds up the threat that hordes from the South are changing the face of America and that we must preserve what America is. As I have said a few times, that ship has passed. It is too late to Make America White Again. The huge amounts of immigration in the last 50 years has forever changed American from the America of the 50's when old white men had a much higher percentage of the vote and all the real power. In my personal opinion, Trump appeals to those who are still fighting the Civil War. Surely, these folks have not accepting the fact that whites are not the majority in many areas of the country.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Republicans will gain seats this Nov... with the stream of leftist behaviour to be released in the coming months, they will be lucky to hold any seats.

 

[mark46]

Republicans will gain seats this Nov... with the stream of leftist behaviour to be released in the coming months, they will be lucky to hold any seats.

So, you're saying that the House will be 435-0 Republican unless the leftists are lucky enough to win a few seats.

ROFL

 

[CitizenD]

The bottom line is that Trump holds up the threat that hordes from the South are changing the face of America and that we must preserve what America is.

Gotta love the argument: be scared of them immigrants!

 

[iluvatar5150]

Gotta love the argument: be scared of them immigrants!

Lol, when I first read that, I thought he was talking about the Republican base.

ETA: not kidding

 

[mark46]

Lol, when I first read that, I thought he was talking about the Republican base.

 

[Always in His Presence]

Both parties have the self same

GET THE BASE TO VOTE

That is self evident

What I think, (cautions personal opinion here), is happening is that people in general are getting tired of everything is a crisis.

Like crying wolf. Eventually people stop listening.

I think it is a smart move on Democratic leadership to dial back on The Impeach 45 Rhetoric, because it doesn’t produce the results they hope for

Campaigning on real issues is what helps both parties in casting their goals and visions.

Just my own opinion

 

[Kentonio]

Going to be a strange election. Seems likely to be a relatively high GOP turnout, but the Dem turnout is also going to be sky high. Unless there’s another major unforeseen event before then, I’m still expecting D house and R retain senate.

 

[mark46]

DEMOCRATS
I agree that they should not even mention the word "impeachment".
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REPUBLICANS
I agree that crisis is not the way to go fro the Republicans.
HOWEVER, I believe that Trump's emotional appeal against immigrants is helpful is getting out his base. As always with a new president, Republicans are a long shot to keep the House losses lower than 25. I don't think that they can achieve this goal with a rational discussion of issues.

Both parties have the self same

GET THE BASE TO VOTE

That is self evident

What I think, (cautions personal opinion here), is happening is that people in general are getting tired of everything is a crisis.

Like crying wolf. Eventually people stop listening.

I think it is a smart move on Democratic leadership to dial back on The Impeach 45 Rhetoric, because it doesn’t produce the results they hope for

Campaigning on real issues is what helps both parties in casting their goals and visions.

Just my own opinion

 

[Acts2:38]

TRUMP IS DOING ALL HE CAN TO GET HIS BASE TO TURN OUT TO VOTE
Immigration is a HUGE issue for Trump. Standing tough against the hordes from the South and the Middle East resonates with his base. To be clear, Trump's approach may be the only chance Republicans have to hold the House, along with the threat that Democrats will greatly increase their taxes and appointed liberals to the court. There is ONE GOAL: to get out the vote.

Besides America and the EU, I don't know a country in the world that just allows people to enter in the way the Dem base (elites included) wants them to.

Let's use a small example:

Do you just have anyone freely come in your home to do whatever?

Of course not.

In the usual circumstance, a person usually has background information on the person coming into their house. Not only that, the person coming into their house, is invited in by you. You also have a set standard of rules in your house. Even if you do not state those rules, you expect them to be followed. Also, the person invited in is wise to assume you have a set standard of behavior (your rules aka laws of your home) and they do what they can to obey those standards.

America is no different. Any country would be no different.

America is our home. We have a set standard (laws) and we wish for people to respect them and obey those laws (of our home).

So when someone just "walks" in and does whatever they wish, they are not only breaking those laws, but disrespecting us at the same time. They are violating our set standards.

This is why its called "illegal" immigration. They are disrespecting your set laws and you.

When someone breaks the law, they should be punished for that crime.

I have children. In my home, my "law" is not obscene language or behavior. I actually tell people I do not know too well, my set standards. That is their warning. If they break that rule, they will leave my home.

If someone comes in illegally, I wish them to be removed. If they cannot respect my laws, then they do not need to be here. They have lowered my trust in them, and I cannot see them respecting any other law I have should they enter in. Nothing hard in understanding "illegal" is breaking laws.

I think the immigration issue is that easy of a concept. It puzzles me that people make it this hard.

The bottom line is that Trump holds up the threat that hordes from the South are changing the face of America and that we must preserve what America is. As I have said a few times, that ship has passed. It is too late to Make America White Again. The huge amounts of immigration in the last 50 years has forever changed American from the America of the 50's when old white men had a much higher percentage of the vote and all the real power. In my personal opinion, Trump appeals to those who are still fighting the Civil War. Surely, these folks have not accepting the fact that whites are not the majority in many areas of the country.

With this statement, I can only assume. So please forgive any offenses as I do not intend to create hostility.

People like you, are only seeing color in this issue. Nor do people in this group understand what the real America is because they only see color.

America is an idea more than it is about color.

We have been a "melting pot" nation a lot longer than the last "50 years" and more than the last 100 years.

We are an idea. We hold the same beliefs coming from many different nations. I would figure the constitution we have is more than enough to state the idea I am talking about.

People from all over the world come here for that idea. We also agree that people need to follow our set standards that allow us to continue this idea.

Each era has a different situation that forces a certain class of people with a certain color skin to our nation.

The potato famine in the mid 1800's brought over a million Irish people to America. Those people tend to be white in color. Who cares though? The point now is that they went through Ellis Island check point, which was our set standard for them to obey. Once they got in legally, we didnt force them to change their cultural history, just merely obey the laws. They held onto the ideas of what this country was founded on.

Now we have a different situation. Cartels and poor country management are causing another group to migrate here. They happen to be brown in color. Who cares? They come here because they know that this is the place they can seek a better life. Otherwise they wouldn't have left.

Now, my desire is that they respect my set standard of laws and obey them. Entering the country illegally is not showing me they can respect my set standards. They are not worthy to enter. If they obey the process as people who went to Ellis Island did, and respect our laws, and make the court date appointments, I would be happy to welcome them here.

People like me, do not care about color. We care about the idea that America is. When people start to trample on that idea, then I have a problem.

And that's what coming in here illegally and trying to change my ideas is, a problem. That's whats been happening lately. People trampling on our ideas.

As far as the civil war goes, I wish to enlighten you a little bit.

The Republicans wanted free blacks and the Democrats wanted them picking cotton and in chains. That is the blunt fact. Real history.

 

[mark46]

This is absolutely true. The Republicans were the anti-slavery party in the 1800's.

In the mid 1900's, moderate Republicans lead the way, even as much as liberal Democrats. It was indeed the Southern Democrats who opposed civil rights. ALL THAT CHANGED on the day the Civil Right Act was passed. As one of Johnson friend's told him, if Johnson pushed through the Act, the South would be lost to the Democrats for decades. Even with Wallace running as a Dixiecrat, Nixon's Southern strategy brought the South to the Republican Party.

So, you are certainly correct. Anti-black voters were indeed Democrats from the 1800's until 1964. Now, these voters are as loyal to the Republican Party as they used to be loyal to the Democrats.

The Republicans wanted free blacks and the Democrats wanted them picking cotton and in chains. That is the blunt fact. Real history.

 

[Speedwell]

In off-elections, the new president's party usually loses many seats in the House.

One reason is that the turnout is much lower, with many fewer supporters voting.

The second reason is that the president is perceived to have failed to meet promises. Obviously, no president can meet all his promises in 2 years.

Finally, having elected a president, the American public often decides to vote for the other party as a check on the president. The opposition party's people also tend to come out in large numbers to provide a check on the new president.
========================
TRUMP IS DOING ALL HE CAN TO GET HIS BASE TO TURN OUT TO VOTE
Immigration is a HUGE issue for Trump. Standing tough against the hordes from the South and the Middle East resonates with his base. To be clear, Trump's approach may be the only chance Republicans have to hold the House, along with the threat that Democrats will greatly increase their taxes and appointed liberals to the court. There is ONE GOAL: to get out the vote.

Sessions, Kelly and Miller strongly supported separation. The pictures were meant to be mean spirited. Steve Miller believes that 90% of Americans support the president on this issue. Trump is most happy having the issue be repressive opposition to illegal entry vs open borders. This will get his base out. Listen to FOX folk.

The bottom line is that Trump holds up the threat that hordes from the South are changing the face of America and that we must preserve what America is. As I have said a few times, that ship has passed. It is too late to Make America White Again. The huge amounts of immigration in the last 50 years has forever changed American from the America of the 50's when old white men had a much higher percentage of the vote and all the real power. In my personal opinion, Trump appeals to those who are still fighting the Civil War. Surely, these folks have not accepting the fact that whites are not the majority in many areas of the country.

But the Dems have failed to learn the lessons presented to them by Trump's election.

 

[mark46]

You are free to tell us how you run your household. I will stipulate (as I have many times here) that those seeking asylum should stand on line at the bridge where we they must BY LAW be accepted into the US to pursue sue their unlikely asylum claims.

Because of the incumbency of Sessions, this is not happening. Those on the legal border are told that there is no room and to turn back. Well, occasionally they are told that they will be allowed in within a few days. So, that's why they try to come in illegally. After coming for a 1000 miles, they figure that they'll try.

Sessions can simply allow them in, have see a magistrate, and have their asylum request rejected, all within 72 hours. This should happen atee legal border, and at the illegal border. At the illegal border, a magistrate can also give a criminal record. But there is no crisis. These folks need not be admitted. EVEN THOSE WHOSE CLAIMS ARE BEING INVESTIGATED, will be deported as soon as the process in complete. Trump has refused to allocate resources for sufficient judges, sufficient prosecutors or sufficient monitoring of the asylum seekers. They can be asked to wear ankle bracelets. There are 300,000 outstanding cases. One 20,000 a year end up staying in the US. That is hardly a huge crisis.
Only about 1/4 of these are from Latin America.

trump can't get anyone worked up about 5000 being accepted as asylum seekers. So, he chooses to separate those few who have children and watch the press.
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And yes, you are certainly free to believe that trump would feel towards 50,000 Europeans who are here illegally. How many of those from Europe has he deported? Does he even track those who overstay their visas (over 40% of the illegals)?

Besides America and the EU, I don't know a country in the world that just allows people to enter in the way the Dem base (elites included) wants them to.

Let's use a small example:

Do you just have anyone freely come in your home to do whatever?

Of course not.

In the usual circumstance, a person usually has background information on the person coming into their house. Not only that, the person coming into their house, is invited in by you. You also have a set standard of rules in your house. Even if you do not state those rules, you expect them to be followed. Also, the person invited in is wise to assume you have a set standard of behavior (your rules aka laws of your home) and they do what they can to obey those standards.

America is no different. Any country would be no different.

America is our home. We have a set standard (laws) and we wish for people to respect them and obey those laws (of our home).

So when someone just "walks" in and does whatever they wish, they are not only breaking those laws, but disrespecting us at the same time. They are violating our set standards.

This is why its called "illegal" immigration. They are disrespecting your set laws and you.

When someone breaks the law, they should be punished for that crime.

I have children. In my home, my "law" is not obscene language or behavior. I actually tell people I do not know too well, my set standards. That is their warning. If they break that rule, they will leave my home.

If someone comes in illegally, I wish them to be removed. If they cannot respect my laws, then they do not need to be here. They have lowered my trust in them, and I cannot see them respecting any other law I have should they enter in. Nothing hard in understanding "illegal" is breaking laws.

I think the immigration issue is that easy of a concept. It puzzles me that people make it this hard.



With this statement, I can only assume. So please forgive any offenses as I do not intend to create hostility.

People like you, are only seeing color in this issue. Nor do people in this group understand what the real America is because they only see color.

America is an idea more than it is about color.

We have been a "melting pot" nation a lot longer than the last "50 years" and more than the last 100 years.

We are an idea. We hold the same beliefs coming from many different nations. I would figure the constitution we have is more than enough to state the idea I am talking about.

People from all over the world come here for that idea. We also agree that people need to follow our set standards that allow us to continue this idea.

Each era has a different situation that forces a certain class of people with a certain color skin to our nation.

The potato famine in the mid 1800's brought over a million Irish people to America. Those people tend to be white in color. Who cares though? The point now is that they went through Ellis Island check point, which was our set standard for them to obey. Once they got in legally, we didnt force them to change their cultural history, just merely obey the laws. They held onto the ideas of what this country was founded on.

Now we have a different situation. Cartels and poor country management are causing another group to migrate here. They happen to be brown in color. Who cares? They come here because they know that this is the place they can seek a better life. Otherwise they wouldn't have left.

Now, my desire is that they respect my set standard of laws and obey them. Entering the country illegally is not showing me they can respect my set standards. They are not worthy to enter. If they obey the process as people who went to Ellis Island did, and respect our laws, and make the court date appointments, I would be happy to welcome them here.

People like me, do not care about color. We care about the idea that America is. When people start to trample on that idea, then I have a problem.

And that's what coming in here illegally and trying to change my ideas is, a problem. That's whats been happening lately. People trampling on our ideas.

As far as the civil war goes, I wish to enlighten you a little bit.

The Republicans wanted free blacks and the Democrats wanted them picking cotton and in chains. That is the blunt fact. Real history.

 

[Acts2:38]

You are free to tell us how you run your household. I will stipulate (as I have many times here) that those seeking asylum should stand on line at the bridge where we they must BY LAW be accepted into the US to pursue sue their unlikely asylum claims.

Hmm, you didn't state matters of asylum. However, still they need to be vetted. See below for related answer....

Sessions can simply allow them in, have see a magistrate, and have their asylum request rejected, all within 72 hours.

Something like this would take more time to hire more judges.

How are Judges Selected? - FindLaw

There is a process to get more of these guys. So people would still have to wait a bit.

And even so, you have to have willing people accept the judge role as temporary. You can't force citizens to be judges.

Is there a number on how many people qualified to be judge in immigration matters coming forward to help?

 

[mark46]

There is no presidential election. The Democrats don't have to win 271 electoral votes.

Democrats need only to gain 23 seats in the House, below average for the first of year for a new president. There are many open seats. There are many seats WON by Clinton and by a Republican House member. The Democrats will likely gain several votes in California and Virginia. Basically, the Democrats need to pick up 25 seats or so in the suburbs and hold even on the rest. The Trump coalition won't GAIN votes in the suburbs.

But the Dems have failed to learn the lessons presented to them by Trump's election.

 

[mark46]

I believe that JAG officers could be readily trained to be temporary immigration judges. Also, there are likely many local officials and even law school folks who might take such jobs.

Hmm, you didn't state matters of asylum. However, still they need to be vetted. See below for related answer....



Something like this would take more time to hire more judges.

How are Judges Selected? - FindLaw

There is a process to get more of these guys. So people would still have to wait a bit.

And even so, you have to have willing people accept the judge role as temporary. You can't force citizens to be judges.

Is there a number on how many people qualified to be judge in immigration matters coming forward to help?

 

[mark46]

I'm not sure what you asking. Under past standards, 20,000 asylum claims are approved each year., with a 300,000 backlog. Trump has decide that fear of domestic violence and of gang violence don't qualify. Even those did qualify, there is no law requiring the US to approved a certain number of asylum seekers. I would expect that the higher the number of claims, the more strict the requirements will become. Of course, Congress could act and limit the Executive Branch if they wish to.

Hmm, you didn't state matters of asylum. However, still they need to be vetted. See below for related answer....

 

[Acts2:38]

I believe that JAG officers could be readily trained to be temporary immigration judges. Also, there are likely many local officials and even law school folks who might take such jobs.

What is the number willing though? Has there been anything about people willing to offer their services to correct this situation you speak of?

I suppose you could order JAG to swing over train them on immigration and step in. Has the military ever been used like this though? I can't think of a time myself.

 

[mark46]

I don't know the number. I suppose that the number would depend on compensation and side benefits.

As far as JAG, the request that Defense send JAG's to be prosecution lawyers has already been made and accepted by Defense. There has been a letter of opposition sent to Trump from senators of both parties.

What is the number willing though? Has there been anything about people willing to offer their services to correct this situation you speak of?

DOJ requests military lawyers to help prosecute immigration crimes: report

I suppose you could order JAG to swing over train them on immigration and step in. Has the military ever been used like this though? I can't think of a time myself.

 

[KCfromNC]

Going to be a strange election. Seems likely to be a relatively high GOP turnout, but the Dem turnout is also going to be sky high. Unless there’s another major unforeseen event before then, I’m still expecting D house and R retain senate.

This is the safe bet based on current trends. Then again, the GOP couldn't even get a GOP senator elected in the Alabama special election, so who knows?