Post Tribulation Rapture (Moved from Deeper Fellowship)

[Biblewriter]

But it does.
Not to negate, but to transfer those promises to the people who bear fruit. To every faithful Christian believer from every tribe, race , nation and language. Revelation 5:9, Isaiah 66:18b

Ephesians 1:11-14 In Christ, indeed, we have been given the heritage, as was decreed in God’s purpose. For it was His will that we who set our hopes in Jesus, should be the ones to make His glory known and praised.
We Christians have the Seal of the Holy Spirit, which is the pledge of the inheritance that will be ours when God has cleansed His possession, to the Glory of His Name. Deuteronomy 32:34-43

Romans 8:16-18 For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God…..it is the Spirit of adoption, so we can call Him ‘Father’. This affirms that we are God’s children and if children, then heirs, heirs of God’s promises through Christ.
But we must share His suffering, if we are also to share His glory.

Ephesians 3:6 Through the Gospel, Gentiles are joint heirs with the Jews, part of the same body, sharers together in the promises of God through Jesus.

Galatians 3:29 So if you belong to Christ, then you are the issue of Abraham and heirs of God’s promises. [to the Patriarchs]

Colossians 1:12 We give thanks to the Father who has made us fit to share in the heritage of God’s people in the Kingdom of light.

It is quite evident that the vast multitude seen in Jerusalem, Revelation 7:9, soon after the Sixth Seal event that will clear all of the holy Land, is far more that the remnant of the Jewish people. Romans 9:27

Many prophesies make it plain that in the end times there will be a people in God’s holy Land, who will be His people, those who seek the Lord and who know what is right. Isaiah 51:1 Every faithful Christian person.

There is not even one promise of blessing in this world given to the church. You cannot cite even one.

 

[jgr]

The land promise is only to the physical descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Then there are specific promises to the descendants of each of the twelve tribes of Israel. But other scriptures restrict these promises to the physical descendants to those who share Abraham's faith.

We've been over this.

Genesis 17:12
And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed.

Joshua 21:43
And the Lord gave unto Israel all the land which he sware to give unto their fathers; and they possessed it, and dwelt therein.

Did God sideline the nonethnic Israelites and forbid them to possess the land?

 

[jgr]

There is not even one promise of blessing in this world given to the church. You cannot cite even one.

But it does.
Not to negate, but to transfer those promises to the people who bear fruit. To every faithful Christian believer from every tribe, race , nation and language. Revelation 5:9, Isaiah 66:18b

Ephesians 1:11-14 In Christ, indeed, we have been given the heritage, as was decreed in God’s purpose. For it was His will that we who set our hopes in Jesus, should be the ones to make His glory known and praised.
We Christians have the Seal of the Holy Spirit, which is the pledge of the inheritance that will be ours when God has cleansed His possession, to the Glory of His Name. Deuteronomy 32:34-43

Romans 8:16-18 For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God…..it is the Spirit of adoption, so we can call Him ‘Father’. This affirms that we are God’s children and if children, then heirs, heirs of God’s promises through Christ.
But we must share His suffering, if we are also to share His glory.

Ephesians 3:6 Through the Gospel, Gentiles are joint heirs with the Jews, part of the same body, sharers together in the promises of God through Jesus.

Galatians 3:29 So if you belong to Christ, then you are the issue of Abraham and heirs of God’s promises. [to the Patriarchs]

Colossians 1:12 We give thanks to the Father who has made us fit to share in the heritage of God’s people in the Kingdom of light.

It is quite evident that the vast multitude seen in Jerusalem, Revelation 7:9, soon after the Sixth Seal event that will clear all of the holy Land, is far more that the remnant of the Jewish people. Romans 9:27

Many prophesies make it plain that in the end times there will be a people in God’s holy Land, who will be His people, those who seek the Lord and who know what is right. Isaiah 51:1 Every faithful Christian person.

They sure look like promises of blessings to me.

What do you think is missing?

 

[jgr]

There is not even one promise of blessing in this world given to the church. You cannot cite even one.

Galatians 3:16
Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

2 Corinthians 1:20
For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.

Hebrews 1:1,2
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

Romans 8:16-17
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

Galatians 3:29
And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.


If Christ isn't the matchless promise and blessing, who or what is?
If being a joint-heir with Christ isn't a promise and blessing, what is?
If we as joint-heirs are not the Church, who are?

 

[Biblewriter]

We've been over this.

Genesis 17:12
And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed.

Joshua 21:43
And the Lord gave unto Israel all the land which he sware to give unto their fathers; and they possessed it, and dwelt therein.

Did God sideline the nonethnic Israelites and forbid them to possess the land?

The land promises were repeated to the nations of Judah and Israel, and to all twelve tribes by name AFTER the time of Joshua. And the prophecies clearly instruct Israel to share the land with strangers dwelling among them. But the promises were ONLY made to Israel and to its various divisions and infividual.

 

[Biblewriter]

They sure look like promises of blessings to me.

What do you think is missing?

Issiah 66:18 is about the battle of Armageddon. And The Greek word translated “on” in Revelation 5:9 is “epi,” which literally translates “over,” rather than”on.”

 

[Biblewriter]

Galatians 3:16
Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

2 Corinthians 1:20
For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.

Hebrews 1:1,2
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

Romans 8:16-17
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

Galatians 3:29
And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.


If Christ isn't the matchless promise and blessing, who or what is?
If being a joint-heir with Christ isn't a promise and blessing, what is?
If we as joint-heirs are not the Church, who are?

Being a joint-heir with Christ is a heavenly blessing, not an earthly one.

 

[jgr]

The land promises were repeated to the nations of Judah and Israel, and to all twelve tribes by name AFTER the time of Joshua. And the prophecies clearly instruct Israel to share the land with strangers dwelling among them. But the promises were ONLY made to Israel and to its various divisions and infividual.

The promises to those of faith and obedience in Israel never withheld blessings from nonethnic Israelites, and the punishments for unbelief and disobedience never spared ethnic Israelites. So any suggestion that God's dealings with Israel were racialized is patently unscriptural.

 

[jgr]

Being a joint-heir with Christ is a heavenly blessing, not an earthly one.

You'll notice that every promise is expressed in the present tense.

And I'm not in heaven yet, and neither are you, so those promises are for us here and now.

 

[keras]

There is not even one promise of blessing in this world given to the church. You cannot cite even one.

The list I gave in #238 gave 5 Promises to Christians. How we are joint heirs with the Jews and the inheritors of God's Promises through Jesus Christ.

You intransigence in this matter is puzzling. I understand how difficult it can be to have a long held belief challenged. But when the evidence, in this case: incontrovertible scriptures, that prove how it is every Faithful Christian who are the recipients of God's promises, then to continue to argue against this truth, is simply not sensible.

God does know who the actual descendants of Jacob are, Amos 9:9, but for us to try and identify them, or worse to say the Jewish people are the only Israelites, is a foolish and unprofitable exercise.
It is sufficient for us today, to stand firm in our faith and trust in the Lord to protect us during the tough times ahead.
Be assured, He will bless those who deserve it, not those who reject and hate Him.

 

[jgr]

Issiah 66:18 is about the battle of Armageddon. And The Greek word translated “on” in Revelation 5:9 is “epi,” which literally translates “over,” rather than”on.”

What about the rest of them?

 

[Biblewriter]

What about the rest of them?

I was answering from my Iphone, and did not see the others.

I see I was mistaken in my terminology. I should have said "hevanly or spiritual," rather than just "heavenly," as opposed to "worldly and physical." For we indeed have spiritual blessings while we are still in this earth. But the things we are promised in the future are all heavenly. The only worldly promise we have is that we will have tribulation.

 

[jgr]

I was answering from my Iphone, and did not see the others.

I see I was mistaken in my terminology. I should have said "hevanly or spiritual," rather than just "heavenly," as opposed to "worldly and physical." For we indeed have spiritual blessings while we are still in this earth. But the things we are promised in the future are all heavenly. The only worldly promise we have is that we will have tribulation.

1 Timothy 6:17
Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy;

That certainly sounds like worldly blessings, not tribulation.

 

[TribulationSigns]

I proved it already. The gentiles were an olive tree before being grafted in - but gentiles were not Israel by being an olive tree. The whole tree that Paul was talking about Jesus being the root of is the Kingdom of God - men having eternal life. It is not talking about who becomes Israel or not.

Wrong.

The Gentiles that God has chosen and adopted with His Blood has the right to become a part of Commonwealth of Israel and receive the SAME promise to Abraham! In other words, they have become spiritual Jews to God.

Ephesians 2:11-14
[11] Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
[12] That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
[13] But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
[14] For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;

Jews or Gentiles does not matter in this Tree! They are all one happy family of God, Covenant Israel!

Paul in 11:24 refers to the olive tree the gentiles were grafted into as a "good olive" tree. The tree of good men, made good by the blood of Christ. It is just talking about men being in the Kingdom of God, TS.

The tree of "good men"? What was that?! No one is good but Christ. The Covenant Tree is Christ Himself and He is Israel.

Jeremiah 11:16-17 is a completely different message. It is applying to Israel being a chosen nation which at Mt. Sinai they agreed that God would be their God, but they started worshiping Baal, and God therefore pronounced evil against them.

You really don't know how to compare Scripture with Scripture, don't you?

 

[Douggg]

Wrong.

The Gentiles that God has chosen and adopted with His Blood has the right to become a part of Commonwealth of Israel and receive the SAME promise to Abraham! In other words, they have become spiritual Jews to God.

Ephesians 2:11-14
[11] Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
[12] That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
[13] But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
[14] For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;

Jews or Gentiles does not matter in this Tree! They are all one happy family of God, Covenant Israel!



The tree of "good men"? What was that?! No one is good but Christ. The Covenant Tree is Christ Himself and He is Israel.



You really don't know how to compare Scripture with Scripture, don't you?

Look at your avatar picture. Does it glorify Jesus? Look at my avatar picture. That's the difference between us. Why you don't understand the scriptures, and why by the grace, mercy, kindness of God, I do.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Look at your avatar picture. Does it glorify Jesus? Look at my avatar picture. That's the difference between us. Why you don't understand the scriptures, and why by the grace, mercy, kindness of God, I do.

LOL.

Are you trying to distract issue to something that is not relevant to subject being discussed every time I refuted you with Scripture? Not surprised!

 

[Douggg]

LOL.

Are you trying to distract issue to something that is not relevant to subject being discussed every time I refuted you with Scripture? Not surprised!

I am saying that you are not understanding and twisting the scriptures on such a gross scale that there is an underlying reason. You quote scripture, yes. But you don't understand what is being said in them.

 

[TribulationSigns]

I am saying that you are not understanding and twisting the scriptures on such a gross scale that there is an underlying reason. You quote scripture, yes. But you don't understand what is being said in them.

Amateur rants are what you do best. If you won't offer biblical refute to deal with my post with Scripture, then don't make false claims about me here. It is because you could not gainsay or resist. Simply as that.

 

[Douggg]

Please cease to promote a rapture, as it makes you to be a false teacher.

You should just leave comments like that out.

If someone who promotes salvation in Christ, and someone else says doing so makes that person a false teacher - then should that person who actively speaks against the gospel expect that God will give him eternal life, as long as he does?

Therefore, what hope do you have that by speaking against the rapture as a lie, that you would go with them who believe in it, should you happen to be wrong?

 

[Douggg]

Amateur rants are what you do best. If you won't offer biblical refute to deal with my post with Scripture, then don't make false claims about me here. It is because you could not gainsay or resist. Simply as that.

People who rant in their posts usually exhibit a lot of exclamation marks to end their sentences.