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Aman777

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Possibly, there might've been a neanderthal named Adam, how would I know? Doubt that an Adam was the common ancestor to all humans though - our genetics don't indicate a sole male parent.

Genetics don't indicate that man was made an immortal being either. Remember that it was AFTER Adam sinned before he was made flesh. This was long AFTER the sons of God (prehistoric people) descended from the common ancestor of Apes. You don't seem to know what a Human is?

I'll accept the findings of Science because it consistently gives us usable, practical results we can employ to improve our circumstances.

I don't have to do anything with any scripture until its veracity can be authenticated.

Easy since Genesis 1:21 shows that "every living creature that moveth" was made on the 5th Day from WATER. Science agrees and shows that it was some 3.77 Billion years ago, in man's time.
Meet Luca, the Ancestor of All Living Things
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Catch up with the discoveries of Science which agree with Genesis One.
 
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many fossils are missing for a long time period. so even if we will find a 70my human fossil we can always claim that his population was too small to leave any fossil between say the last 3-70 my. like in the coelacanth case. very simple. since we are both disagree- lets leave this for readers to judge because i want to move on...
You are always free to leave the debate, but it's not on me if you do. I am not satisfied in the slightest. The fact that you continue, even now, not to acknowledge that the simple fact that the fossil record for members of the genus Homo is extremely complete and depicts origins of the genus within less than 10 million years demonstrates that your claim that a 70 million year old Homo sapiens fossil could just be hand waved away is incorrect. You have yet to demonstrate any actually comparable event in which something on that scale was handwaved despite a very complete fossil record. All examples provided either pertain to organisms which do not have a very complete fossil record, significantly less amount of time adjusted, or both. In fact, all the ones I recall have both.

In the case of coelacanths, it was assumed that they went extinct, not that they originated 70 million years earlier than all other fossil evidence suggests. Modern coelacanths are not the same as those ancient species either, they just retain many of the ancient traits. Lazarus taxa are the OPPOSITE situation to finding a human fossil that is 70 million years old, and the fact that you bring them up just makes me think that you understand your own claims even less.




look again in my alx3 example: its indeed completely lost. so here you go.
In 3 organisms. In order for the loss of the gene to mimic the claims you have made, which are that evolution supporters could wave away two independent lineages independently developing identical genes by claiming that those two lineages are the only ones that retained said gene and that deletions occurred in all other relevant lineages, those 3 organisms being the only ones that HAVE the gene would match the claim better, though not precisely. That only 3 lost it doesn't allow for your claim at all. Again, in order for gene loss to give the illusion that two distant lineages independently developed identical genes, every single lineage more closely related to them than each other would have to lack the gene. You have never given an example of this occurring. Not some lacking the gene, ALL. Some doesn't provide evidence for your claim, so stop presenting examples of it.

Not only that, but for your original claim that mammals could have evolved independently rather than from shared ancestry, identical genes arising in separate lineages should be extremely common, to the point that your kid could be born with a random cat gene not seen in any other humans. It should be happening so frequently, yet you struggle to find any examples which even vaguely seem to match your claims from your personal perspective.
 
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Trumpian Blasphemy. He likes to call African Americans "Apes" in order to debase them. The followers of Darwin, the Racist, are the same.



False, since you are ignoring the Fact that Neanderthal had a larger brain case (which is all that's left) than today's Humans. Ignoring other scientific facts in order to distort the Truth is typical of godless evols. Today's science apologists claim it's because Humans have more brain-folds than Neanderthal. A bad excuse is better than none, they preach to little children in elementary School as FACT.

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apes. Because some ignorant moron means it as an insult to people with darker skin doesn’t make the fact that we share 99% of our genes with our non human relatives go away.

Neanderthals were near contemporary with us . they only died out about 30,000 years ago . They are a different but very closely related species (close enough to form fertile hybrids)
 
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Hi, Sarah.

How's them maneaters doing?
The plants? Fantastic, as usual.
uGKZk0s.jpg

I rarely take pictures of them, though, because my camera is such crap. Mutes all the colors.

Same species, but not my camera:
https://cdn3.volusion.com/hwnyj.vxqwe/v/vspfiles/photos/36062-2.jpg?1480078126
 
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Genetics don't indicate that man was made an immortal being either. Remember that it was AFTER Adam sinned before he was made flesh.
Unfounded conjecture
This was long AFTER the sons of God (prehistoric people) descended from the common ancestor of Apes. You don't seem to know what a Human is?
More unfounded conjecture. You don't seem to understand the nature of evidence nor critical thinking.
Easy since Genesis 1:21 shows that "every living creature that moveth" was made on the 5th Day from WATER.
no it doesn't.
Science agrees and shows that it was some 3.77 Billion years ago, in man's time.
Meet Luca, the Ancestor of All Living ThingsJul 25, 2016
you keep quoting this as if it supports your wild fantasies, it still doesn't.
Catch up with the discoveries of Science which agree with Genesis One.
Wishful thinking.

Out of curiosity, how many of those scientists on that research paper do you know of who converted to Christianity because of it?
 
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Learn to read. I was explaining that the brain case of Neanderthals was larger than today's Human brains. The other poster was claiming we could trace the intelligence of Humans from the size of brains, which is false.
Maybe I read too well. Why did you add "... larger brain case (which is all that's left)" if you were not implying that full skeletons are not available?
 
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In the case of coelacanths, it was assumed that they went extinct, not that they originated 70 million years earlier than all other fossil evidence suggests.

here you go. if we will find a 70my human fossil we can just claim that it just didnt leaved any fossil in the last 60-70 my, like in the coelacanths case. simple and easy.

In 3 organisms.

first: if its possible with 3 species its also possible with many more. second: i also gave you an example of a gene that is share with a group of far species but not in many species between them. and in this case, as we can see- they solve it by convergent loss. as i said: no problem for evolution.
 
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Trump is a jerk . Jerks act like jerks . I’m
Black and humans are still
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Only in changeable, man made scientific Theories.

Because some ignorant moron means it as an insult to people with darker skin doesn’t make the fact that we share 99% of our genes with our non human relatives go away.

Doesn't matter since our genetics were changed 11k years ago when the first Humans (descendants of Adam) had NO other Humans to marry. They married and had children with the prehistoric people who were on Earth at that time. Adam's descendants INHERITED the DNA and ERVs of the common ancestor of Apes and thus, Human civilization, on our planet, began.

Neanderthals were near contemporary with us . they only died out about 30,000 years ago . They are a different but very closely related species (close enough to form fertile hybrids)

We also inherited some Neanderthal genetics but Neanderthal went extinct almost 20k years before the Ark arrived in Lake Van, Turkey, in the mountains of Ararat. God calls the prehistoric people who descended from Apes, the sons of God. Gen 6:4
 
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Unfounded conjecture

More unfounded conjecture. You don't seem to understand the nature of evidence nor critical thinking.

no it doesn't.

you keep quoting this as if it supports your wild fantasies, it still doesn't.

Wishful thinking.

Out of curiosity, how many of those scientists on that research paper do you know of who converted to Christianity because of it?

Nothing but negativism to offer?
 
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here you go. if we will find a 70my human fossil we can just claim that it just didnt leaved any fossil in the last 60-70 my, like in the coelacanths case. simple and easy.

Wow. It's like you haven't read (or at least understood) anything she had been posting.
 
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Maybe I read too well. Why did you add "... larger brain case (which is all that's left)" if you were not implying that full skeletons are not available?

I was commenting on the only evidence which survives. Unlike most evols, I show that Scripture, Science and History agree. Humanity inherited our genetics from the women Noah's grandsons married. Gen 6:4 Amen?
 
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Evolution says matter with a bit of luck can create complex biological beings and consciousness i don´t buy that.

Evolution needs to explain all this:
sense of beauty
musical taste
hate love, bitterness happiness.
depression or contempt.
we take offense if someone offends us (heart)
the concept of soul is accepted naturally by most people then they rationalize it.
things that makes us happy or sad. Satisfy us or annoy us.
Sensitivity (like when seeing violent images)
Spirituality, some people just rationalize (in the wrong way) everything cutting their spirituality down.
Things that elevate us (spirit related) (like some music) thoughts of the universe. God related.
How we react inside to people expressions.
what is fun or boring to us.
We learn. knowledge or life experience.
Free will.
And the list can go on forever.

I just keep believing we have a soul/spirit.

What we have is thousands of papers on how organs formed with a lot of story telling, that is pseudo science. You can´t make a computer simulation with the theory of evolution.
Biggest lie ever.
Just my opinion.
 
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Nothing but negativism to offer?
Rational doubt, actually. Perhaps you could provide evidence for your position?

If I were to believe any of your fanciful "just so" stories on as little evidence as you provide, then in order to be consistent, I'd be believing in all manner of mutually conflicting ideas and propositions with no rational way to determine fact from fiction. That you use circular reasoning to justify your plainly inconsistent and biased reasoning to this first idea you've come across, doesn't solve any of your epistemology problems.
 
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