What is the fate of animals when they die?

[ewq1938]

Does a tumor or virus hv souls?

Pardon ?

 

[brinny]

Does a tumor or virus hv souls?

LOL! Wut?

 

[ewq1938]

When i spoke of restoration, i was speaking of God's restoration with a relationship with man through the shedding of Jesus blood and His death. His death conquered the curse and sin and death.

Just curious....

God will dwell where?

On the Earth with us.

 

[brinny]

On the Earth with us.

So there won't be a heaven?

 

[Noah Ark]

Pardon ?

LOL! Wut?

They killed so many people with souls don't they?

 

[ewq1938]

So there won't be a heaven?

There is a new Heaven and a new Earth.

 

[brinny]

They killed so many people with souls don't they?

Who?

 

[brinny]

There is a new Heaven and a new Earth.

So which does God reside on?

 

[ewq1938]

So which does God reside on?

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

 

[brinny]

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

You mentioned that God would dwell with man on the new earth.

 

[ewq1938]

You mentioned that God would dwell with man on the new earth.

Yes and the verses above show that.

We are off topic so let's get back to that...I won't reply on this one any further.

 

[brinny]

Yes and the verses above show that.

We are off topic so let's get back to that...I won't reply on this one any further.

No worries.

Regarding animals, it seems clear to me that animals will surely be present with God, their Creator, once again, just as they were with their Creator in the beginning.

 

[ewq1938]

No worries.

Regarding animals, it seems clear to me that animals will surely be present with God, their Creator, once again, just as they were with their Creator in the beginning.

So far no scripture has been presented that actually shows that, plus you haven't commented on the various scriptures that show differently...what you write above is simply your belief. We need scriptures not beliefs to know what really is biblically true

 

[brinny]

So far no scripture has been presented that actually shows that, plus you haven't commented on the various scriptures that show differently...what you write above is simply your belief. We need scriptures not beliefs to know what really is biblically true

There is nothing that refutes that God will no longer have the animals He created in His presence, that He created before the fall. Surely they will not be banished forevermore.

Why would He do that, since He created them in the beginning, indicating that HE delighted in His creatures?

 

[ewq1938]

There is nothing that refutes that God will no longer have the animals He created in His presence, that He created before the fall. Surely they will not be banished forevermore.

Everything written suggests that actually. Spirits going down means no resurrection. Only man has an afterlife...death and disease etc won't exist and that means no mortal animals dying and breeding.

Why would He do that, since He created them in the beginning, indicating that HE delighted in His creatures?

They weren't created "in the beginning" they were created the 4th and 5th day and even if they were created in the first day it isn't evidence that animals will exist in the eternity. They were helpmeets for man, to aid and feed him. They won't be needed in the eternity.

 

[brinny]

Everything written suggests that actually. Spirits going down means no resurrection. Only man has an afterlife...death and disease etc won't exist and that means no mortal animals dying and breeding.




They weren't created "in the beginning" they were created the 4th and 5th day and even if they were created in the first day it isn't evidence that animals will exist in the eternity. They were helpmeets for man, to aid and feed him. They won't be needed in the eternity.

Animals did not need a Savior, ewq. Only man did.

G'nite. Getting offline.

Thank you for the conversation. It's been very thought provoking.

 

[ewq1938]

Animals did not need a Savior, ewq. Only man did.

They also don't need a saviour because they are temporary and not meant to be saved.

G'nite. Getting offline.

Thank you for the conversation. It's been very thought provoking.

Goodnight.

 

[NothingIsImpossible]

The 100% biblical answer is they are gone forever. Though sadly I see way too many christians who say pets go to heaven. They say this because deep down in their mind they cannot fathom the fact that the very pets they owned are not in heaven. Maybe part of it is also not letting go/accepting a pet is gone for good. Some will point out verses but most are out of context or twisted.

I compare the issue to most any other issue where a christian will twist the bible to fit what they want. We all at some point do this of course, but animal lovers have a very hard time accepting animals are temporal. Heck everything is temporal. When we die, NOTHING goes to heaven with us. Just "us", not even our body.

To say animals go to heaven is a sin because they lie to others just to make the person feel comfort in a tough time of loss. When my pets died people always did the "rainbow bridge" thing and "You'll see <name> in heaven!". I didn't find that peaceful, I found that offensive. I already accepted I won't see my pets again. I could argue its not fair but people often forget our lives are NOT about what we own and what we have. Pets are of little importance in the grand scheme of things. Yes they are comforting to us while here, but they play no role in our role which is to bring people to salvation.

 

[Eloy Craft]

Alot of people think that Adam's sin corrupted all creation. It didn't. It severed the bond with God and consequently who we are to each other and creation became disordered. Creation was subjected to futility and decay from the beginning. It has always been waiting for man to free it from those bonds.

Romans 8

20 for the creation was subjected to futility, not of its own will but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope 21 that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to decay and will obtain the freedom of the glory of the children of God.


Creation was subjected to futility and decay in hope. Not because man sinned, if that were so, then sin would be the cause and not hope. Hope wouldn't be the cause if it waited on Jesus. That would be a certainty. So it wasn't subjected because of the fall.
Man is the pinnacle of creation. Creation works to serve man and man is it's steward, it has become hostile to us since the fall, it is waiting for it's just reward. When man sinned creations just reward was lost along with man. It isn't waiting for Jesus because the order God established in the beginning is that it receives it from man. It is still waiting.

Romans 8

18 I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worth comparing with the glory about to be revealed to us. 19 For the creation waits with eager longing for the revealing of the children of God;

2 We know that the whole creation has been groaning in labor pains until now; 23 and not only the creation, but we ourselves, who have the first fruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly while we wait for adoption, the redemption of our bodies. 24 For in hope we were saved.
We are saved in hope because we sinned. Creation was subject to decay in hope.
It was subjected at the beginning in hope that man would free it from bondage. And as Paul say's it is still waiting for the Resurrection as are we. Creation is lifted up with man because man is the pinnacle of creation. The New heaven for man and the New earth is where man and those animals will not be subject to the futility of decay and will live forever.

 

[Ron Gurley]

There is no clear scripture which indicates God created the animal kingdoms with souls (psyche) or spirits. (Pneuma) They have only bodies and instincts. When their bodies die, nothing remains but their returning to dust.