Is The Rapture and Jesus' 2nd Coming Really Two Separate Events?

[com7fy8]

If you be the type of person that would intentionally put your loved ones in the middle of a tsunami so they can prove their love to you; then you may think the answer is no

It is clear that Jesus says He sends us out like sheep in the midst of wolves. And Paul has said through much tribulation we must enter into the kingdom of God. This is not only so we can make some gesture of how much we love God, but we suffer for Jesus for various reasons . . . in fellowship with Jesus, sharing with Him in His peace, not only making gestures to try to prove we love Him. We are guaranteed to suffer if we live godly.

However, we do not suffer the wrath judgments of God. They can fall all around us, while our Father in His control almighty keeps His wrath judgments from hurting us > it can be like how Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-Nego were right in that fiery furnace but God's control kept that fire from harming them, while that same fire took out the men who threw them in there; so that fire of wrath even protected Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-Nego . . . like how a mother bear's cubs can be so safe near her tummy while she is in wrath swatting away a pack of wolves. But, yes, there are people who deeply are not secure; and so they have their insecurity telling them they would not be safe during great tribulation of worldly people; they also might fear "Paul's thorn", because deeply they are not sure of God's ability to easily and breezily and beautifully care for us in His love while we go through things with Him > 2 Corinthians 12:7-11.

If you repent and ask Jesus for forgiveness and accept His gift of salvation He will not require you to be put through the time of testing of the inhabitants of earth that refuse to repent of their sins , so if you repent and change your lifestyle to be acceptable to HIM - He will keep you out from that hour of testing entirely , but if you do not repent until after that time begins you will go through it , simple as that

But Jesus did have our Apostle Paul go through great tribulation in order to minister the Gospel. But that trial was not the trying of worldly people, and Paul had grace making him able to even take "pleasure" in all his troubles > 2 Corinthians 12:7-11. And Paul says to follow his example

And in Revelation chapter seven we see how the servants of the LORD will be sealed before the judgments come . . . so that God's judgments can not hurt His servants. So, yes God who is almighty and who has self-control is easily able to keep us safe during any tribulation, whether it is upon enemies or it is trouble which enemies make for us.

"And who is he who will harm you if you become followers of what is good?" (1 Peter 3:13)

How much, by the way, will evil people be able to do to us . . . while they are being stung by the locusts and a third of the humans on earth are killed, among other things? They won't be able to do anything except if and when God in His management allows Satanic people to mess with us. Nothing happened to Jesus before it was His time.

But ones money-dependent and money-minded are worried about how we won't be able to buy or sell. Well, God's judgments will include those locusts stinging evil people; I can see how they might drop their food while trying to get away from the locusts, and we can eat abandoned food. And when a third of the world is killed, ones might be so busy burying everyone, and maybe we can use living places and transportation of ones killed, and adopt their children and bring them to Jesus. I doubt anyone will be able to stop us from doing this, unless God lets up His wrath judging enough so they can get to us. Otherwise . . . it might be easier to live, then, than how things are now.

It is wise to understand God's word in terms of how God is able.

 

[Tayla]

Is The Rapture and Jesus' 2nd Coming Really Two Separate Events?

No. Only one event as you correctly note.

 

[DaveDavids]

Are you attempting to claim that Satan does not exist?

.

I don't recall that

I'm just questioning your exegesis

 

[Marvin Knox]

Is the Rapture and Jesus' 2nd coming actually TWO separate events, as some doctrines of men teach?

Yes it is.

 

[BABerean2]

I'm just questioning your exegesis

G1228
διάβολος
diabolos
dee-ab'-ol-os
From G1225; a traducer; specifically Satan (compare [H7854]): - false accuser, devil, slanderer.
Total KJV occurrences: 38

 

[R. Hartono]

I did not argue for pre-trib but for two separate events .

But if you want to argue for that then I will judge you out of your words just like Jesus would .
My question for you is

How can Jesus come both as thief and be seen by everybody ?

Revelation 1:7
Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him,

People shall see Him unexpectedly thats why they Will cry n be left behind because Jesus doesnt come to rule yet but to fetch the wise virgins.

 

[seventysevens]

It is clear that Jesus says He sends us out like sheep in the midst of wolves. And Paul has said through much tribulation we must enter into the kingdom of God. This is not only so we can make some gesture of how much we love God, but we suffer for Jesus for various reasons . . . in fellowship with Jesus, sharing with Him in His peace, not only making gestures to try to prove we love Him. We are guaranteed to suffer if we live godly.

However, we do not suffer the wrath judgments of God. They can fall all around us, while our Father in His control almighty keeps His wrath judgments from hurting us > it can be like how Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-Nego were right in that fiery furnace but God's control kept that fire from harming them, while that same fire took out the men who threw them in there; so that fire of wrath even protected Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-Nego . . . like how a mother bear's cubs can be so safe near her tummy while she is in wrath swatting away a pack of wolves. But, yes, there are people who deeply are not secure; and so they have their insecurity telling them they would not be safe during great tribulation of worldly people; they also might fear "Paul's thorn", because deeply they are not sure of God's ability to easily and breezily and beautifully care for us in His love while we go through things with Him > 2 Corinthians 12:7-11.

But Jesus did have our Apostle Paul go through great tribulation in order to minister the Gospel. But that trial was not the trying of worldly people, and Paul had grace making him able to even take "pleasure" in all his troubles > 2 Corinthians 12:7-11. And Paul says to follow his example

And in Revelation chapter seven we see how the servants of the LORD will be sealed before the judgments come . . . so that God's judgments can not hurt His servants. So, yes God who is almighty and who has self-control is easily able to keep us safe during any tribulation, whether it is upon enemies or it is trouble which enemies make for us.

"And who is he who will harm you if you become followers of what is good?" (1 Peter 3:13)

How much, by the way, will evil people be able to do to us . . . while they are being stung by the locusts and a third of the humans on earth are killed, among other things? They won't be able to do anything except if and when God in His management allows Satanic people to mess with us. Nothing happened to Jesus before it was His time.

But ones money-dependent and money-minded are worried about how we won't be able to buy or sell. Well, God's judgments will include those locusts stinging evil people; I can see how they might drop their food while trying to get away from the locusts, and we can eat abandoned food. And when a third of the world is killed, ones might be so busy burying everyone, and maybe we can use living places and transportation of ones killed, and adopt their children and bring them to Jesus. I doubt anyone will be able to stop us from doing this, unless God lets up His wrath judging enough so they can get to us. Otherwise . . . it might be easier to live, then, than how things are now.

It is wise to understand God's word in terms of how God is able.

It is wise to recognize the major difference between times of tribulation that everyone goes through and the Great Tribulation that is Thee testing time brought upon the inhabitants of the world - This is caused by Almighty God Himself ,
It Is Jesus that causes that time period to exist and it is He that ends it upon His return , people go through tribulations such as loss of a job , and other things that are not pleasant to remind us of how we are to be dependent in HIM , as most of mankind has become dependent one one's own self - to be self reliant which results in being self -righteous as man begins to believe there is no God .

ALL the many reference of God The Father shows us the love of a Good Father - NO good father would even consider putting their child in the middle of a train wreck nor in the middle of a nest of vipers . People in the middle east would say they are going through great tribulation as they get beheaded and imprisoned for their belief,

Jesus speaks of the great tribulation in a manner differently than what man speaks of , as Jesus makes a specific reference
to a very short limited window of time, even being designated by specific length in years ,months and days , Jesus refers to thee great tribulation as a "hour of testing" that comes upon the whole earth to test those who refuse to repent , those who refuse to give God the Glory , those who refuse to accept Jesus , those who say they do not need God , those people will be tested and found guilty and shall perish . Jesus tells us that those who accept HIM and believe HIM , He shall keep us out from that time of testing , out from the entire time frame of testing - If we were preserved through it that would be what he would say , but he said removed out from it ,
There is the distinction of people who come to know Jesus After this hour of testing has begun that they find refuge in Petra , but only a remnant , not the entire believers in Christ.

If a person is willing to believe Christ and the Holy Spirit teaching throughout the bible , they will learn and understand m but if people only accept the small portions of what men may teach and not the full story , they may not understand the fullness of the scripture
In simple terms God is a good God , a good father will protect his children From harm , If you are able to keep your children out from danger , being a good father that is what you would do ,and that IS what Jesus does

It is wise to understand God's word in terms of how God is able. He IS able to keep us out from it and he will do it as He IS able to

 

[com7fy8]

Only one event as you correctly note.

There is the resurrection of the righteous. There is no obvious indication that this resurrection will be split up into a rapture-resurrection before the Great Tribulation and then another resurrection of ones whom Jesus gathers after the Great Tribulation.

Also, Paul says "the dead in Christ will rise first", in 1 Thessalonians 4:16. So, if there were a pre-trib rapture first of the dead, then of the living in Jesus, those who are raptured while still alive would be rising before the saints who die in the tribulation later. The ones who die during the trib, then, would not be rising first in relation to the ones who get raptured while still alive during a pre-trib rapture.

 

[com7fy8]

It is wise to recognize the major difference between times of tribulation that everyone goes through and the Great Tribulation that is Thee testing time brought upon the inhabitants of the world

But the Bible does not say that all people on the earth will be subjected to how God will be trying the unjust. God will be in full control so His wrath judgments do not hurt any Christians who are present on the earth at that time.

NO good father would even consider putting their child in the middle of a train wreck nor in the middle of a nest of vipers . People in the middle east would say they are going through great tribulation as they get beheaded and imprisoned for their belief,

I do not know how you are applying this. Right now, we already are "in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation". And this world is a major wreck; yet, our Father takes care of us just fine.

And our Apostle Paul suffered such torture for Jesus.

You can be in the midst of a major disaster, and God takes care of you and has you helping others.

And if something is a judgment of our Father, it will not hurt us who are innocent, even if we are in the midst of it. Our Father will be working in the midst of things, and we can be with Him wherever He is and be blessed in His love's "rest for your souls." (Matthew 11:28-30)

Jesus tells us that those who accept HIM and believe HIM , He shall keep us out from that time of testing , out from the entire time frame of testing - If we were preserved through it that would be what he would say , but he said removed out from it ,

You have made yourself clear, I would say.

But being kept can mean how in us we are kept from something, from how it would effect us.

Jesus prays for our Father to keep us from the evil of this world. But He does not pray for God to take us out of this world. So, yes we can be here in this wicked and wrecked world, but be kept from it and its evil and however the evil people are subjected to testing. We do not need to be elsewhere; actually, we already are with Jesus in heavenly places.

And we see in Revelation how ones of Satan will be tormented with brimstone, right in the presence of Jesus and His holy angels. So, yes we can be present while evil people are being dealt with . . . if we are present with Jesus while He will be judging. The brimstone can't hurt Jesus and we who are with and like Jesus can't be hurt by the brimstone.

So, we can be anywhere and safe, because of how God's love makes us "as He is" "in this world." (in 1 John 4:17)

And nowhere does the Bible in simple words say anything like, "Jesus will come back just before the tribulation." This is assumed, in how people read and understand the Bible. It this idea were so true and important like ones are claiming, God easily could have put this in His word, along with all the important and clearly stated things which are in His word. But Jesus is very clear about what will happen "immediately after" > Matthew 25. But He Himself does not in plain words say He will come and receive His church bride "immediately before".

 

[Erik Nelson]

The answer is Yes and you don't need bunch of text to prove that...

Simple follow steps below

1) Paul said " i show you a Mystery " in 1 Corinthians 15:51-52
2) Mystery is something true but never revealed before
3) All Old Testament prophets prophecy about Jesus comming to judge earth with his saints ect.
4) Therefore if Rapture and 2nd Comming were the same event Paul was lying about it being mystery.
5)Paul could not lie because Holy Spirit was guiding him writting Scriptures.
6)Therefore Rapture and 2nd comming must be two separate events

Hope it helps

that's good thinking!

however, apples & oranges... The "mystery" revealed in 1 Corinthians 15:51-52 is the "nature" of the Resurrection -- unto incorruptible spiritual bodies...

Paul was not even trying to "reveal" the occurrence of the spiritual "rapture" raising up of "sleeping" Saints... merely the surprising nature of it.

Paul was not "revealing" the "what"... but the "how"

All this probably applies to the 1st Resurrection (Revelation 20:4-6), however it might apply to the 2nd Resurrection (Revelation 20:12).

 

[seventysevens]

But the Bible does not say that all people on the earth will be subjected to how God will be trying the unjust. God will be in full control so His wrath judgments do not hurt any Christians who are present on the earth at that time.
I do not know how you are applying this. Right now, we already are "in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation". And this world is a major wreck; yet, our Father takes care of us just fine.

And our Apostle Paul suffered such torture for Jesus.

You can be in the midst of a major disaster, and God takes care of you and has you helping others.

And if something is a judgment of our Father, it will not hurt us who are innocent, even if we are in the midst of it. Our Father will be working in the midst of things, and we can be with Him wherever He is and be blessed in His love's "rest for your souls." (Matthew 11:28-30)
You have made yourself clear, I would say.

But being kept can mean how in us we are kept from something, from how it would effect us.

Jesus prays for our Father to keep us from the evil of this world. But He does not pray for God to take us out of this world. So, yes we can be here in this wicked and wrecked world, but be kept from it and its evil and however the evil people are subjected to testing. We do not need to be elsewhere; actually, we already are with Jesus in heavenly places.

And we see in Revelation how ones of Satan will be tormented with brimstone, right in the presence of Jesus and His holy angels. So, yes we can be present while evil people are being dealt with . . . if we are present with Jesus while He will be judging. The brimstone can't hurt Jesus and we who are with and like Jesus can't be hurt by the brimstone.

So, we can be anywhere and safe, because of how God's love makes us "as He is" "in this world." (in 1 John 4:17)

And nowhere does the Bible in simple words say anything like, "Jesus will come back just before the tribulation." This is assumed, in how people read and understand the Bible. It this idea were so true and important like ones are claiming, God easily could have put this in His word, along with all the important and clearly stated things which are in His word. But Jesus is very clear about what will happen "immediately after" > Matthew 25. But He Himself does not in plain words say He will come and receive His church bride "immediately before".

You can have your preferred view , but every time people choose not to include all the scripture about the topic ,will always put a limit on their understanding because of choosing to limit what scripture is included, that simple , how you choose to perceive results in your perception , just as in a case when a person looks at the side of a car that shows absolute perfection ,and refuses to see the other side of the car that is damaged from front to back , when a person chooses to limit what they acknowledge their perception will show it ,
Jesus Himself says plainly that he will take His people out from that hour of testing that will come upon the earth inhabitants , you can proclaim that firestorms can come and kill the person standing next to you but not harm you but that is not in the text , what is in the text is Jesus telling us what he will do , why he will do it , and who he will keep out of it ,
This topic has been discussed many times an it is the same old same old , each time people will show that they will only accept scripture that they feel supports their view , when the scripture that shows that YES Jesus will remove HIS people out from the time HE causes the testing, people who believe they must go through it refuse to acknowledge scripture that tells the full story , just like the person who will only accept the view of the car from the view that does not show the damage , you can believe as you desire , but I do not and will not exclude scripture to support a view that says that Jesus will put those who trust in Him in danger ,
Simple as telling someone do not put your hand in the boiling water - and they do it anyway and because they did not trust in you , they get burned , if they would do as told it would not happen

 

[BABerean2]

Jesus speaks of the great tribulation in a manner differently than what man speaks of , as Jesus makes a specific reference
to a very short limited window of time, even being designated by specific length in years ,months and days , Jesus refers to thee great tribulation as a "hour of testing" that comes upon the whole earth to test those who refuse to repent , those who refuse to give God the Glory , those who refuse to accept Jesus , those who say they do not need God , those people will be tested and found guilty and shall perish .

That "hour" is found below.

Joh 5:27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
Joh 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
Joh 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
Joh 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.


The timing of the event is found below.

Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

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[Hiscosmicgoldfish3]

Is the Rapture and Jesus' 2nd coming actually TWO separate events, as some doctrines of men teach?

Answer: NO


Matthew 24 and Mark 13 are even more specific as to the timing of Jesus' second coming and gathering of His Church at the same time:

Matt 24:29-31
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And He shall send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

What tribulation is this talking about? Perhaps it is clarified when Jesus says: 34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
What did Jesus mean by that? - that it was the 70 AD tribulation that he was talking about? or was it a future tribulation? or both?

Timing = "Immediately after the tribulation"
Who will see it? = "all the tribes of the earth"
Which saints are gathered? = "His elect from the four winds"
Where from and to are these saints gathered? = "from one end of heaven to the other"

Mark 13:27
27 And then shall He send His angels, and shall gather together His elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

Which saints are gathered? = "His elect from the four winds"
Where from and to are these saints gathered? = "from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven"

How can there be a great tribulation in the last days, if Jesus says it will be like the days of Noah? Unless the tribulation is something else, other than WW3? Something that does not effect the majority of people, who carry on as normal - being given in marriage etc.
From my studies, I draw the conclusion, that the 70 weeks of Daniel was fulfilled in Jesus, and the final 3 1/2 years of preaching to the Jews, up until the stoning of Steven.
And so, the final 7 years tribulation is not so. My question would be - is there a tribulation before the return of Christ? And why would anyone be raptured out, if no one was raptured out before the tribulations of the world wars - what makes the final days so special?
What evidence is there in the bible that there is any sort of last days great tribulation?

 

[dqhall]

Is the Rapture and Jesus' 2nd coming actually TWO separate events, as some doctrines of men teach?

Answer: NO


Jesus spoke of raising up the believer on Him on the "last day", put for the last day of this present world, which is when the resurrection is to occur:

John 6:40
40 And this is the will of Him That sent Me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on Him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
KJV

John 11:24
24 Martha saith unto Him, 'I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.'
KJV


In 1 Thessalonians 4, Apostle Paul showed the so-called 'rapture' (as "caught up" in the KJV), and the resurrection, as being of the same timing when Jesus comes:

1 Thess 4:13-17
13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with Him.

Those "asleep" represent the saints that have died. Paul said Jesus will bring those with Him (from Heaven) when He comes. How will our Lord Jesus bring them unless He first raises them? He does raise them first, as Paul will show you in the next verses:


15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

It's important to note that word "shall prevent" above is not the real Greek word meaning. The Greek word is actually phthano which means 'to be beforehand, anticipate or precede' (Strong's no.5348). Paul is saying we who are alive on earth shall not precede the asleep saints which have already died. In other words, Jesus raises them first.


16 For the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

That's the resurrection on the "last day". Jesus raises the "asleep" saints first, and brings them with Him when He comes. And the following then happens next:


17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
KJV

Then the saints still alive on earth are caught up to Jesus and the resurrected saints as Jesus 'descends' from Heaven bringing the resurrected saints with Him. Acts 1 and Zechariah 14 reveals exactly 'where' Jesus will return to, bringing all the saints with Him. It's to earth, at Jerusalem. That's the second coming on the "day of the Lord".

In 1 Thessalonians 5, the very next chapter after Paul described Jesus' gathering of the Church, Paul then explained about the "day of the Lord" coming "as a thief in the night". In Revelation 16:15 our Lord Jesus, on the 6th Vial, forewarned His Church that He comes "as a thief". So the "day of the Lord" is linked with the time of our Lord Jesus' second coming and gathering of His Church.

Matthew 24 and Mark 13 are even more specific as to the timing of Jesus' second coming and gathering of His Church at the same time:

Matt 24:29-31
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And He shall send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
KJV

Timing = "Immediately after the tribulation"
Who will see it? = "all the tribes of the earth"
Which saints are gathered? = "His elect from the four winds"
Where from and to are these saints gathered? = "from one end of heaven to the other"

That Matthew 24 example is about Jesus gathering the "asleep" saints from Heaven, and He will bring them with Him when He comes like Paul said in 1 Thess.4. The Mark 13 version reveals the gathering of the saints still alive on earth:

Mark 13:27
27 And then shall He send His angels, and shall gather together His elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.
KJV

Which saints are gathered? = "His elect from the four winds"
Where from and to are these saints gathered? = "from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven"

The Mark 13 example is about those saints alive on earth that are "caught up" to Jesus on that day. Thus Jesus also covered the 1 Thessalonians 4 event right there in His Olivet Discourse. No wonder the pre-trib doctors don't want their followers to think those Matthew and Mark chapters involve Christ's Church!

Lazarus was resurrected to die again later in life. Jesus will return once to judge those living and those who already died at that time. Persecutions come and go like wars and natural disasters. Those who are faithful to God will not lose their reward.

 

[BABerean2]

From my studies, I draw the conclusion, that the 70 weeks of Daniel was fulfilled in Jesus, and the final 3 1/2 years of preaching to the Jews, up until the stoning of Steven.

You are correct based on Matthew 10:5-7, and Romans 1:16, and Galatians 1:14-18.

The Gospel was taken "first" to the Jews for a period of about 7 years before Paul began his ministry to the Gentiles.

.

 

[seventysevens]

That "hour" is found below.

Joh 5:27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
Joh 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
Joh 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
Joh 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.


The timing of the event is found below.

Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

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as usual missing many other scriptures that tell the full story

 

[seventysevens]

But the Bible does not say that all people on the earth will be subjected to how God will be trying the unjust. God will be in full control so His wrath judgments do not hurt any Christians who are present on the earth at that time.

the statement
"the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth." Specifies "on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth."

quite clear and plain

During the most severe time of the Great Trib , the last 42 months -what is called fierce anger/wrath there will not be any true born-again Christians on earth , that is the time the full wrath has come - No Christians will be here then ,
they have either been raptured , martyred or gathered from the earth before the severity of Gods wrath
a lot more detail pertaining to this is in the bible text , but people pick and choose what they prefer and leave out what they don't want , sadly that is why there is division

 

[BABerean2]

the statement
"the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth." Specifies "on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth."

quite clear and plain

During the most severe time of the Great Trib , the last 42 months -what is called fierce anger/wrath there will not be any true born-again Christians on earth , that is the time the full wrath has come - No Christians will be here then ,
they have either been raptured , martyred or gathered from the earth before the severity of Gods wrath
a lot more detail pertaining to this is in the bible text , but people pick and choose what they prefer and leave out what they don't want , sadly that is why there is division

Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
(A person cannot be under the blood of the Lamb and not be a part of the New Covenant Church of Jesus Christ.)


Mat 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
Mat 25:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
Mat 25:33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
Mat 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
Mat 25:35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
Mat 25:36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
Mat 25:37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
Mat 25:38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
Mat 25:39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
Mat 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
Mat 25:42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
Mat 25:43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
Mat 25:44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
Mat 25:45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
Mat 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

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[seventysevens]

Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
(A person cannot be under the blood of the Lamb and not be a part of the New Covenant Church of Jesus Christ.)


Mat 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
Mat 25:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
Mat 25:33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
Mat 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
Mat 25:35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
Mat 25:36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
Mat 25:37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
Mat 25:38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
Mat 25:39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
Mat 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
Mat 25:42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
Mat 25:43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
Mat 25:44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
Mat 25:45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
Mat 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

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The never ending barrage of postings that reveal a severe lack of understanding about the topic

 

[DaveDavids]

G1228
διάβολος
diabolos
dee-ab'-ol-os
From G1225; a traducer; specifically Satan (compare [H7854]): - false accuser, devil, slanderer.
Total KJV occurrences: 38

Well, you can pretend like NT customs of " casting out the devil " are not from the Levitical ritual of the sin goat ( devil ) at rosh chodesh ( The flood ), but that would be contrary to the scriptures, so I couldn't agree with you