Does this prove universalism?

[Tayla]

Is there any way to disprove that argument, or is that a pretty sound argument to prove that hell cannot be eternal and that God saves everyone?

These kinds of questions are easy to answer. Look to see what the early church fathers had to say about it. They were the closest to the apostles.

 

[Haipule]

These kinds of questions are easy to answer. Look to see what the early church fathers had to say about it. They were the closest to the apostles.

So many of the so called "Church Fathers" were anti-Semitic, which is ridiculous, and were as anti-Christian as could be and had nothing whatsoever to do with the life of Jesus' promised joy!

Instead, they established a religious hierarchy beyond question! Thank God we live in the 21st century and can question them, all the day long, without the threat of being burned at the stake!

 

[Der Alte]

So many of the so called "Church Fathers" were anti-Semitic, which is ridiculous, and were as anti-Christian as could be and had nothing whatsoever to do with the life of Jesus' promised joy!
Instead, they established a religious hierarchy beyond question! Thank God we live in the 21st century and can question them, all the day long, without the threat of being burned at the stake!

Nonsense! Can you provide some, in context, quotes which back up these claims?

 

[Haipule]

Nonsense! Can you provide some, in context, quotes which back up these claims?

It is common knowledge. Google it or Wikipedia. The worst was Martin Luther who's rhetoric was borrowed by the Nazis.

 

[Der Alte]

It is common knowledge. Google it or Wikipedia. The worst was Martin Luther who's rhetoric was borrowed by the Nazis.

The way a discussion works is the person who makes an assertion is responsible for providing evidence for it. Martin Luther was not an ECF.

 

[Haipule]

The way a discussion works is the person who makes an assertion is responsible for providing evidence for it. Martin Luther was not an ECF.

Origins of Christian Anti-Semitism

I found this well written.

 

[Der Alte]

Origins of Christian Anti-Semitism
I found this well written.

It may be "well written" but, like your post, almost zero credible, verifiable, historical evidence for the assertions made. If I want credible information e.g. on the Jews I am not going to ask a "Palestinian.' If I was credible information on Christianity I am certainly not going to ask a Jew.

 

[Haipule]

It may be "well written" but, like your post, almost zero credible, verifiable, historical evidence for the assertions made. If I want credible information e.g. on the Jews I am not going to ask a "Palestinian.' If I was credible information on Christianity I am certainly not going to ask a Jew.

At any rate, she gave you quotes of the Church Fathers as you requested.

Dude, we are getting off topic.

 

[ClementofA]

These kinds of questions are easy to answer. Look to see what the early church fathers had to say about it. They were the closest to the apostles.

There's already another thread on that topic:

Church Fathers & Universalism since Early Church times

 

[Der Alte]

At any rate, she gave you quotes of the Church Fathers as you requested.
Dude, we are getting off topic.

Wrong! Someone saying "This guy said this. That guy said that! Some other guy said something else! Without providing proper citation is meaningless.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Wrong! Someone saying "This guy said this. That guy said that! Some other guy said something else! Without providing proper citation is meaningless.

Not only that,
it is written (or paraphrased?) that the enemy will have "perfect credentials" (like Hitler?) when he is exalted by the people or takes power over the people,
not just the final enemy, but throughout the last 2000 years too - credentials did not prove someone was good nor right nor to be trusted at all - they were most often an enemy !