These kinds of questions are easy to answer. Look to see what the early church fathers had to say about it. They were the closest to the apostles.
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CF has always been a site that welcomes people from different backgrounds and beliefs to participate in discussion and even debate. That is the nature of its ministry. In view of recent events emotions are running very high. We need to remind people of some basic principles in debating on this site. We need to be civil when we express differences in opinion. No personal attacks. Avoid you, your statements. Don't characterize an entire political party with comparisons to Fascism or Communism or other extreme movements that committed atrocities. CF is not the place for broad brush or blanket statements about groups and political parties. Put the broad brushes and blankets away when you come to CF, better yet, put them in the incinerator. Debate had no place for them. We need to remember that people that commit acts of violence represent themselves or a small extreme faction.
Does this prove universalism?
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So many of the so called "Church Fathers" were anti-Semitic, which is ridiculous, and were as anti-Christian as could be and had nothing whatsoever to do with the life of Jesus' promised joy!
Instead, they established a religious hierarchy beyond question! Thank God we live in the 21st century and can question them, all the day long, without the threat of being burned at the stake!
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Nonsense! Can you provide some, in context, quotes which back up these claims?
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The way a discussion works is the person who makes an assertion is responsible for providing evidence for it. Martin Luther was not an ECF.
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It may be "well written" but, like your post, almost zero credible, verifiable, historical evidence for the assertions made. If I want credible information e.g. on the Jews I am not going to ask a "Palestinian.' If I was credible information on Christianity I am certainly not going to ask a Jew.
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There's already another thread on that topic:
Church Fathers & Universalism since Early Church times
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Wrong! Someone saying "This guy said this. That guy said that! Some other guy said something else! Without providing proper citation is meaningless.
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Not only that,
it is written (or paraphrased?) that the enemy will have "perfect credentials" (like Hitler?) when he is exalted by the people or takes power over the people,
not just the final enemy, but throughout the last 2000 years too - credentials did not prove someone was good nor right nor to be trusted at all - they were most often an enemy !
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