What is your Hebrew name?

[Dave-W]

Strangely, my Bible says the opposite: Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.

The word translated "nations" actually means "gentiles."

Right, and that was spoken (as was the similar passages in Mark 16 and Acts 2) to JEWISH men.

What was said to GENTILES?????

Paul tells us in Rom 11 (as far as I have seen the ONLY REASON given in all of scripture) that the Gospel came to the Gentiles was "to make Israel jealous."

11 I say then, they did not stumble so as to fall, did they? May it never be! But by their transgression salvation has come to the Gentiles, to make them jealous. 12 Now if their transgression is riches for the world and their failure is riches for the Gentiles, how much more will their fulfillment be! 13 But I am speaking to you who are Gentiles. Inasmuch then as I am an apostle of Gentiles, I magnify my ministry, 14 if somehow I might move to jealousy my fellow countrymen and save some of them. 15 For if their rejection is the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead?​

 

[Dave-W]

So is Dave basically saying that it is forbidden for Christians to have a Hebrew name?

Not forbidden. Just not wise; and in some cases counter-productive.

 

[Alison Peebles]

It's even more complicated than that. Some Messiancs call themselves Messanic Christians, but they don't believe that Jesus is God, so they're not actually Christians at all.



Beats me. Dave's ideas make no sense to me.

Wow that honestly makes no sense, so the ones who call themselves Messanic Christians, do they even believe Jesus is the Son of God or do they deny him altogether?

 

[Alison Peebles]

Not forbidden. Just not wise; and in some cases counter-productive.

So if it's not forbidden for a Christian to have a Hebrew name then why is it considered not wise for a Christian to have one? Is it possible for a Christian to follow both the Old Testament and the New Testament?

 

[Radagast]

Wow that honestly makes no sense, so the ones who call themselves Messanic Christians, do they even believe Jesus is the Son of God or do they deny him altogether?

It used to be the case on CF that we had Messianic members who believed that Jesus was God, and others who denied it.

Back then, the religious faith markers were little symbols, and the Christian markers were generally some version of a decorated cross. That way, it was a little easier to see who you were interacting with.

 

[Dave-W]

So if it's not forbidden for a Christian to have a Hebrew name then why is it considered not wise for a Christian to have one?

If your #1 job is to evangelize Jews; would it be wise to (in their eyes) pretend to be Jewish? Many or most of them (Jews) would see it either as a cheap ploy to steal them away from being Jews, or as an insult to them. Not unlike how many Blacks saw white actors on the movie screen in "blackface."

Cheap ploys and insults do not help someone to properly consider the claims of the gospel.

 

[brinny]

If your #1 job is to evangelize Jews; would it be wise to (in their eyes) pretend to be Jewish? Many or most of them (Jews) would see it either as a cheap ploy to steal them away from being Jews, or as an insult to them. Not unlike how many Blacks saw white actors on the movie screen in "blackface."

Cheap ploys and insults do not help someone to properly consider the claims of the gospel.

Is anyone "pretending" to be Jewish here, Dave? And regarding "evangelizing", it is the Holy Spirit Who wins hearts, minds, and souls.

Amen?

 

[Dave-W]

Is anyone "pretending" to be Jewish here, Dave?

To your way of thinking, of course not.
But a traditional Jew may see it otherwise.

And regarding "evangelizing", it is the Holy Spirit Who wins hearts, minds, and souls.

Yes, but each has his or her own decision to make. It is up to us to remove as many obstacles as possible. The Gospel is already offensive. We do not need to make it more so.

 

[Alison Peebles]

If your #1 job is to evangelize Jews; would it be wise to (in their eyes) pretend to be Jewish? Many or most of them (Jews) would see it either as a cheap ploy to steal them away from being Jews, or as an insult to them. Not unlike how many Blacks saw white actors on the movie screen in "blackface."

Cheap ploys and insults do not help someone to properly consider the claims of the gospel.

OK first of all I am not trying to convert anyone to Christianity and secondly I am not trying to be Jewish or take them away from being Jewish and neither it would be my intention to insult them either. Why can Jewish have a Hebrew name but not Christians? Isn't the Old Testament supposed to be for Christians to follow as well?

 

[Alison Peebles]

OK first of all I am not trying to convert anyone to Christianity and secondly I am not trying to be Jewish or take them away from being Jewish and neither it would be my intention to insult them either. Why can Jewish people have a Hebrew name but not Christians? Isn't the Old Testament supposed to be for Christians to follow as well?

 

[Dave-W]

OK first of all I am not trying to convert anyone to Christianity

We all should be doing that in one way or another. Or at least supporting those who ARE doing that on a consistent basis.

Why can Jewish have a Hebrew name but not Christians?

It is part of the Jewish religion.

Isn't the Old Testament supposed to be for Christians to follow as well?

You will have much disagreement on that point.

 

[Alison Peebles]

We all should be doing that in one way or another. Or at least supporting those who ARE doing that on a consistent basis.

It is part of the Jewish religion.

You will have much disagreement on that point.

If Christians are not supposed to follow the Old Testament then why is it even in The Bible? The Bible is for Christians not Jews. Don't the Jewish people have their own Bible? Isn't it called Tanakah or something like that.

 

[brinny]

To your way of thinking, of course not.
But a traditional Jew may see it otherwise.

Yes, but each has his or her own decision to make. It is up to us to remove as many obstacles as possible. The Gospel is already offensive. We do not need to make it more so.

You have perhaps misunderstood both of my points that you quoted, Dave.

Of COURSE we remove obstacles. That goes without saying.

Amen?

Again it is God's Holy Spirit that works in hearts and minds and souls to "win" those souls. Not "us".

It is the workings of the Holy Spirit Who does this. Therefore any words or messages that we have are effective only through the Holy Spirit.

Amen?

 

[apolloman87]

New poster here... Yes - the Old Testament is for Christians as much as anyone else. Jesus fulfilled the scriptures of the Old Testament but that does not mean that the Old Testament is no longer viable to reference and to live by. Grace is through Christ and Christ alone. Not a word of the Old Testament will be lost. Christians who are saved by grace through Jesus are under a new covenant than that of the Old Testament (Thankfully!).

 

[Dave-W]

If Christians are not supposed to follow the Old Testament then why is it even in The Bible?

Many have tried to remove it over the centuries.

. Don't the Jewish people have their own Bible? Isn't it called Tanakah or something like that.

It is the same. TeNaKh is an acronym for Torah, Neviim, (prophets) and Ketobot, (writings). It is the exact same content as the Protestant Old Testament, but in a different order.

 

[brinny]

If Christians are not supposed to follow the Old Testament then why is it even in The Bible? The Bible is for Christians not Jews. Don't the Jewish people have their own Bible? Isn't it called Tanakah or something like that.

We surely DO delve into the Old Testament, for it is the very foundation of what God has been doing since Genesis. The Old Testament points to the coming Christ (even in Genesis), especially in Isaiah, for instance.

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

Well I don't know bouts Hebrews but I knew my name meant 'lil sweet crown of laurels in the morning' since childhood.

 

[Dave-W]

Again it is God's Holy Spirit that works in hearts and minds and souls to "win" those souls. Not "us".

It is actually the Holy Spirit and us working together.

HE draws the hearts and minds. We provide the words and actions they hear and see to demonstrate the Gospel.

 

[Alison Peebles]

Many have tried to remove it over the centuries.

It is the same. TeNaKh is an acronym for Torah, Neviim, (prophets) and Ketobot, (writings). It is the exact same content as the Protestant Old Testament, but in a different order.

When you say many have tried to remove it over the centuries, who are referring to? And as a Christian why would you follow the New Testament but not the Old Testament. It just doesn't make any sense to me.

 

[Alison Peebles]

When you say many have tried to remove it over the centuries, who are you referring to? And as a Christian why would you follow the New Testament but not the Old Testament. It just doesn't make any sense to me.