The Science that led me away from Atheism.

[Bugeyedcreepy]

I can love a person while disagreeing with their lifestyle, correct? How is that done? Biblically it means i treat them as i want treated. It doesnt however mean to approve of everything everyone does.

..."I can love a person while disagreeing with their lifestyle..." <= This.

Is being a heterosexual a "lifestyle"? How about being "American"? "Anglo-Saxon" ?

Do you approve of "African-American" lifestyle?

 

[W2L]

..."I can love a person while disagreeing with their lifestyle..." <= This.

Is being a heterosexual a "lifestyle"? How about being "American"? "Anglo-Saxon" ?

Do you approve of "African-American" lifestyle?

I don't think homosexuality is the same as race.

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

I don't think homosexuality is the same as race.

...and Heterosexuality? could you change this about yourself then?

 

[W2L]

...and Heterosexuality? could you change this about yourself then?

You know nothing about me. I could be gay for all you know.

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

You know nothing about me. I could be gay for all you know.

Of Course! and if you were, then you'd know your sexual preference isn't a "Lifestyle" that you can simply change like a set of clothes. This is the question I've been asking - would you persecute or disapprove of someone who was, say, Asian? If not, then why would you persecute/exclude/disapprove of someone based on their sexual preference? If on the other hand you would persecute or disapprove of someone who was Asian, then you need not answer any further questions.

 

[W2L]

Of Course! and if you were, then you'd know your sexual preference isn't a "Lifestyle" that you can simply change like a set of clothes. This is the question I've been asking - would you persecute or disapprove of someone who was, say, Asian? If not, then why would you persecute/exclude/disapprove of someone based on their sexual preference? If you would persecute or disapprove of someone who was Asian, then you need not answer any further questions.

Actually you can change it like clothes. You can throw away the old clothes and put on brand new ones. That's the gospel message, and thats what i do. I choose what i do, not biology. I transcend biology. I am a spirit, not mere flesh and blood.

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

Actually you can change it like clothes. You can throw away the old clothes and put on brand new ones. That's the gospel message, and thats what i do. I choose what i do, not biology. I transcend biology. I am a spirit, not mere flesh and blood.

Right, So you're going to try a change of sexual preference for a couple of months then? see what it's like?

 

[W2L]

Right, So you're going to try a change of sexual preference for a couple of months then? see what it's like?

Im going to put on Christ and walk in the spirit. Im going to follow the Lord who both made me and saved me. Have a good night friend.

 

[theQuincunx5]

I don't think homosexuality is the same as race.

It is interesting to see people's "opinion" of sexual preference. I've never met a gay person who doesn't feel like they were "different" from their earliest memories.

It isn't a choice, unless you can show me when you CHOSE to be HETEROSEXUAL.

If it's not a choice but rather the way one was born, how can it be different from race?

 

[theQuincunx5]

I can love a person while disagreeing with their lifestyle, correct? How is that done? Biblically it means i treat them as i want treated. It doesnt however mean to approve of everything everyone does.

This is a reasonable approach. So long as you don't do anything to limit their freedoms so long as they don't hurt anyone else with their lifestyle.

Everything is fine that way.

It is one of the strange misapprehensions we see from many deeply religious folks who think that allowing a gay person to get married somehow impacts their own marriage.

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

Im going to put on Christ and walk in the spirit. Im going to follow the Lord who both made me and saved me.

Another dodging non-answer - I thought as much... -_-

Have a good night friend.

You too.

 

[Sanoy]

Wait, What?? So not sure what "words" I put in your mouth, but did you or didn't you say...:

... which is both a stand-alone statement not requiring context, and you literally committing an "Argument from Incredulity" fallacy - comparable to the statement I likened it to - would you disagree?

I do have a habit of mocking beliefs I feel are unfounded, but I believe this is the best way to promote critical analysis of one's belief system and their epistemology in reaching such beliefs. I apologise if it was taken as an insult, but beliefs should be challenged regularly and is a healthy process to undertake, it isn't meant as an insult.

Also, attacking the method of delivery while not addressing the content even just a little, is telling.

I went though this with the other guy. If you can't handle a statement of someones personal beliefs without feeling insecure by it you shouldn't be here. Especially if you have a habit of mocking beliefs. Why don't you take some time off and work on your character. Then maybe come back when there is a constructive reason to be here.

 

[Ophiolite]

I went though this with the other guy. If you can't handle a statement of someones personal beliefs without feeling insecure by it you shouldn't be here. Especially if you have a habit of mocking beliefs. Why don't you take some time off and work on your character. Then maybe come back when there is a constructive reason to be here.

I believe I am the "other guy" you are refering to. If you persist in your silly claim about my handling of your statement I shall feel it appropriate to report you. Now, hopefully for the last time - and I 'd ask you to pay attention this time - here is a recap.

I remarked that one of your statements constituted an argument. An argument is not a heated debate, it's an assertion with supporting evidence. Your supporting evidence was personal incredulity. I then commented that basing your belief on personal incredulity wasn't especially convincing. You remain free to have that belief.

Your posts give the impression that you are the one who is feeling threatened and insecure because you think I have challenged your belief. I have not. I'm just saying it's not a very sound way of establishing your beliefs. But everyone is entitled to arrive at their personal beliefs in their own way. By all means run with your argument from incredulity, just don't expect most people with knowledge of the subject, to be impressed.

 

[tas8831]

It is interesting to see people's "opinion" of sexual preference. I've never met a gay person who doesn't feel like they were "different" from their earliest memories.

It isn't a choice, unless you can show me when you CHOSE to be HETEROSEXUAL.

If it's not a choice but rather the way one was born, how can it be different from race?

Agreed.

'Choosing' to be gay in the USA, certainly, in this day and age (sadly) is rather like 'choosing' to be a Jew (or gay) in Berlin ~1935...

 

[W2L]

Another dodging non-answer - I thought as much... -_-

You too.

I dont believe that homosexuality is right, neither abortion that was brought up earlier. What would you have me say?

 

[Andy centek]

Ophiolite:
Does science agree to the physical creation as an accident? I haven't seen that if they do. I see science searching for the cause, but no answer to it. Yet in Their search for the answers, they use all mathematics and laws of physics to try and find the answer to their questions. Why should they use mathematics if it came from an unknown source which They do not yet understand?
Let me ask this also: Why are there Prime numbers? How did they come about? Does this show a creator? Why is there a plus (+) and a minus (_). Because there has to be ? Maybe science has been using the wrong mathematics? Oh is it that there is a Creator behind all this?
Andy Centek

 

[Andy centek]

You may believe this, but in sixty years of learning about astronomy (twenty of them as a Christian) I have never heard this story about the spiritual meaning of the constellations. Astronomers who have studied the history of the constellations have concluded that they were invented in about 2000 BC, probably by the Sumerians and the Babylonians.

HI:
As for the stars and constellations. Read E.W. Bullinger's book - A Witness In The Stars_ . Then consider what is written about them in Genesis 2. I hope this helps you.
Andy Centek

 

[FormerAtheist]

Did you read the entire OP? Because most of what the OP wrote really has nothing to do with inherently assuming materialism or not.

In fact, pretty much everything he posted re: biology is either based on incorrect premises and/or speculative opinion (e.g. claiming all life is "irreducibly complex"). As an argument for a creator though, it's weak sauce.

No the OP wrote that the math is not on the side of Atheism and neither is the science. And it is growing every day. Its well explosive. It is the single greatest disconnect of our time.

In the academic world it is taught as a fact but in the scientific community it is a bit different lol.

 

[FormerAtheist]

Is pi material or spiritual?

Nice very nice ... is math a spiritual process of identify? But then that just means that there is something very powerful that has its language rooted in math.

 

[FormerAtheist]

...perhaps a demonstration then? or Example?

Not really, love is an Emotion.

How would one demonstrate quantum theory before it could be done>?

Math