The Science that led me away from Atheism.

[Bugeyedcreepy]

To search with our heart means to seek truth inwardly. We look at our own sin for example. What a failure i have been! Thank God He gives me a new heart. No longer will i be selfish.

...so, What's "Sin", what did you fail at, and why were you selfish to start with?

 

[W2L]

...so, What's "Sin", what did you fail at, and why were you selfish to start with?

I failed as a brother, a son, a neighbor, and as a human being.

 

[W2L]

Good philosophy, I guess, but I'd be more inclined to call that fairness and reciprocation - both are great for societal health, no matter what you call it...

Out of curiosity, would that mean you're inclusive of the LBGT Community in all facets of your society? How about women who choose to have an abortion? Medical professionals who perform those procedures?

I dont involve myself in such things.

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

I failed as a brother, a son, a neighbor, and as a human being.

wow, I'm sorry to hear that - How does your brother, father and neighbor feel about you failing them? did you make amends to them? Did they forgive you for whatever you did to them?

Feel free to tell me to "lip it" if you don't want to talk about it, but I assume you're back to being a productive member of society again? did you do time and if so, have you paid your debt to society?

It seems like you're pretty hard on yourself if you've made amends to your brother, father, neighbor and to society - we all make mistakes - but we're only human and providing you've sought forgiveness from those you've wronged, then hopefully everyone's big enough to move on...

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

I dont involve myself in such things.

...in Society? I'm sorry, I don't understand... it's a pretty simple question about love being more than just an emotion, but more profoundly, your way of life - or is that not the case after all?

So again, are you accepting of the LBGT Community in all facets of your society, along with the women who choose to have an abortion, and the medical professionals who perform those procedures?

 

[W2L]

...in Society? I'm sorry, I don't understand... it's a pretty simple question about love being more than just an emotion, but more profoundly, your way of life - or is that not the case after all?

So again, are you accepting of the LBGT Community in all facets of your society, along with the women who choose to have an abortion, and the medical professionals who perform those procedures?

I dont involve myself with such things. I seek the kingdom which is not of this world. I avoid worldly politics because they are full of deception and strife. I seek peace and truth.

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

I dont involve myself with such things. I seek the kingdom which is not of this world. I avoid worldly politics because they are full of deception and strife. I seek peace and truth.

You are gravely mistaken if you classify real people as "politics" - it seems to me that you're practicing a deep form of self-deception if you claim all you did on your view of love being more than just an emotion, only to set it aside to avoid any real-world application of it...

I'm sorry, but it seems you've deluded yourself on this. If you're incapable of personifying your claimed "Love is a way of life" in this world, how can you be so sure you'll have it right for some yet to be seen kingdom in the next life?

 

[W2L]

You are gravely mistaken if you classify real people as "politics" - it seems to me that you're practicing a deep form of self-deception if you claim all you did on your view of love being more than just an emotion, only to set it aside to avoid any real-world application of it...

I'm sorry, but it seems you've deluded yourself on this. If you're incapable of personifying your claimed "Love is a way of life" in this world, how can you be so sure you'll have it right for some yet to be seen kingdom in the next life?

Politics are full of deception. Thats why i dont follow it. I stopped drinking the political cool aid years ago.

I never said people were politics, whatever you mean by that.

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

Politics are full of deception. Thats why i dont follow it. I stopped drinking the political cool aid years ago.

I never said people were politics, whatever you mean by that.

I Meant Lesbians, Bisexuals, Gays and Transgender people, Women who get abortions and the Medical Practitioners who look after these needs. On the back of your claim that you see Love as a "way of life" and not just an emotion, I asked you if you are inclusive of all these people in your society and you replied with some non-sequitur about how you don't involve yourself in "worldly politics" as if they weren't people.

So, for the Third time then, are you accepting of the LBGT Community in all facets of your society, along with the women who choose to have an abortion, and the medical professionals who perform those procedures? It really is a straight forward question for someone who claims to personify love as a "way of life"...

 

[Ophiolite]

So, for the Third time then, are you accepting of the LBGT Community in all facets of your society, along with the women who choose to have an abortion, and the medical professionals who perform those procedures? It really is a straight forward question for someone who claims to personify love as a "way of life"...

I am inclined to agree with your desire for an answer. W2L asserts there is no practical difference between agápe and philía, yet the former offers unconditional love, while the letter tends to favour those of similar backgrounds. His repsonse here would help narrow down which love he has been talking about, since he seemed unwilling or unable to provide me with a clear answer.

@W2L I'm not talking behind your back, just hoping to encourage a meaningful response from you. . .Cheers.

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

I am inclined to agree with your desire for an answer. W2L asserts there is no practical difference between agápe and philía, yet the former offers unconditional love, while the letter tends to favour those of similar backgrounds. His repsonse here would help narrow down which love he has been talking about, since he seemed unwilling or unable to provide me with a clear answer.

@W2L I'm not talking behind your back, just hoping to encourage a meaningful response from you. . .Cheers.

What concerns me here is that typically this is conditional love - i.e. "I love everyone unconditionally, so long as it complies with my biblical beliefs"... which for some reason they don't see it for what it really is.

For a brief moment though, I was heartened to think that some fundamentalists believers were softening their stance on exclusionary persecution of minor demographics that had no say in how they were born - but I'm pretty sure I was wrong on that now...

 

[W2L]

I am inclined to agree with your desire for an answer. W2L asserts there is no practical difference between agápe and philía, yet the former offers unconditional love, while the letter tends to favour those of similar backgrounds. His repsonse here would help narrow down which love he has been talking about, since he seemed unwilling or unable to provide me with a clear answer.

@W2L I'm not talking behind your back, just hoping to encourage a meaningful response from you. . .Cheers.

I dont really want to debate words.

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

I dont really want to debate words.

To me, that translates as "I'm a Hypocrite". I'm sorry you aren't living the words you preach after all.

 

[Ophiolite]

I dont really want to debate words.

Then you probably don't really want to be on a forum where we communicate with words and where, therefore, the meaning of those words is critical if we wish to communicate clearly.

Fair enough though. You are certainly entitled not to enter into such a debate and I accept that. Though I would be interested to hear, since Bugeyedcreepy has raised it, just what your position is on the LBGT community.

And I'm not wanting to debate that, just interested in your views. I try to be open to all sorts of positions and viewpoints, so the more I can come to understand other views, the more tolerant I can become. I think it is akin to one of the notions of love you were speaking of.

Thanks in advance.

 

[W2L]

To me, that translates as "I'm a Hypocrite". I'm sorry you aren't living the words you preach after all.

wow, ok.

 

[W2L]

I dont need to agree with homosexuality in order to love a gay person. I dont need to agree with abortion in order to love someone who had one. I surely dont need to argue about such things either.

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

I dont need to agree with homosexuality in order to love a gay person. I dont need to agree with abortion in order to love someone who had one. I surely dont need to argue about such things either.

Nobody asked you to. I don't need to agree with being black in order to love a black person. Nor do I need to agree with being Asian to love an asian person either. Why does it matter what a person is? You either live what you claim to live, or you don't. That's what I asked of you.

 

[W2L]

Nobody asked you to. I don't need to agree with being black in order to love a black person. Nor do I need to agree with being Asian to love an asian person either. Why does it matter what a person is? You either live what you claim to live, or you don't. That's what I asked of you.

How am i not living what i preach?

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

How am i not living what i preach?

If as you say, you "love as a way of life", then I would expect this to mean you are accepting of all people regardless of gender, hereditary, religion, sexuality, economic status, etc. This would also mean you'd accept people for who they are on such things as gender identity and sexual preference, because they are intrinsic to their identity. They're not fashion accessories or choices made after the fact. This is the line I drew for you. This is what @Ophiolite and I were wanting to find out about you - I would go further to say I was curious to see if you were really able to live up to your word and say you would and do accept these people into your society without condition, as pretty much every other civilised first world culture does.

If you reserve conditions based on sexual preference, gender identity, marital status while pregnant or even on abortion procedure, then you aren't living this ideal at all.

 

[W2L]

If as you say, you "love as a way of life", then I would expect this to mean you are accepting of all people regardless of gender, hereditary, religion, sexuality, economic status, etc. This would also mean you'd accept people for who they are on such things as gender identity and sexual preference, because they are intrinsic to their identity. They're not fashion accessories or choices made after the fact. This is the line I drew for you. This is what @Ophiolite and I were wanting to find out about you - I would go further to say I was curious to see if you were really able to live up to your word and say you would and do accept these people into your society without condition, as pretty much every other civilised first world culture does.

I can love a person while disagreeing with their lifestyle, correct? How is that done? Biblically it means i treat them as i want treated. It doesnt however mean to approve of everything everyone does.