Is Freemasonry really Satanic?

[MarkRohfrietsch]

Because it isn't a substitute for ones church! The same as joining the yacht club, boy scouts, bowling league, or Chamber of Commerce.

I'll bet that you have activities you engage in with other people in which giving orations about the Bible or your love of Christ are not the purpose for getting together.



Well, that is a personal opinion, but it is not a reason to accuse Masons of being Satanic, etc.

To me, doing that is to bear false witness, which one of the Ten Commandments speaks about.

Apples and oranges; one does join a yacht club for fellowship with fellow sailors, and to practice and improve their sailing ability. One does not go there to gain secret knowledge to put one in better standing with the "Great Yacht"; although I rather enjoy sailing in a "great yacht" LOL.

 

[MarkRohfrietsch]

I just visited the free masons website.
Theres three main criteria one must meet before even being interviewed.
1. Be a law abiding citizen.
2. Have a belief in a supreme being.
3. Have made the decision to join by thier own freewill, not for thier own benefit or idle curiosity.

#2 is a serious problem, the don't specify what supreme being, just believe in one, if someone doesn't believe in the one true God, Jesus Christ, then they are believing in a satanic lie.

There basic statement of purpose is to unite all men of every religion, is that supported by scripture?

Yes, all of the lodges around here advocate #2; this is sanctioned universalism.

 

[Albion]

There is a difference between a Service Club and a secret society.

There's also a difference between a real "secret society" and a civic organization or social society that merely keeps secret (if something known to several millions of people can really be said to be a "secret") a handful of passwords, etc..

I do not think the Catholic Church is a "secret society," but no priest will tell a passer-by what someone else confessed to him in the confessional booth; and I do not think the Social Security Administration is a "secret society" for the reason that it will not divulge someone's SS number to just anyone from the public who asks.

 

[Albion]

Apples and oranges; one does join a yacht club for fellowship with fellow sailors, and to practice and improve their sailing ability. One does not go there to gain secret knowledge to put one in better standing with the "Great Yacht"; although I rather enjoy sailing in a "great yacht" LOL.

Well, people do not join Masonry in order to learn secret knowledge, nor do secrets play any significant role in Masonry, so I guess your comparison fails anyway.

 

[Albion]

Yes, all of the lodges around here advocate #2; this is sanctioned universalism.

First, that is untrue. The lodges do not advocate Universalism--and certainly do not require Universalism of the members.

It helps, in discussions like this one, to know the theological meaning of the term Universalism. It does not refer to people being of different faiths in some (or any) gathering. Otherwise, it would be nearly impossible for any of us to go out into society in any capacity whatsoever without being a Universalist!

 

[Shek]

Well, people do not join Masonry in order to learn secret knowledge, nor do secrets play any significant role in Masonry, so I guess your comparison fails anyway.

What can you tell us about Esoteric Freemasonry and degrees beyond the 33rd Master Mason?

 

[Albion]

What can you tell us about Esoteric Freemasonry and degrees beyond the 33rd Master Mason?

There are three degrees in Masonry proper. Then, a Master Mason can elect, if he wishes, to join a related organization such as the Shrine or the Scottish Rite (to which you are referring when speaking of a 33rd degree Mason).

Most Masons do not choose to do so, and those degrees, despite the impressive numbering system, do not make anyone a higher-level Mason. Incidentally, the 33rd is a purely honorary degree.

I have read various people online claiming to be a 92nd degree Mason or similar number (and such people usually talk as though they are also Tibetan master savants, space and time travelers, or some other such nonsense).

In any case, none of what they claim--if they even call it Masonry--has anything to do with the actual, recognized, Masonic organizations. And, yes, there have been are all sorts of societies over the years that have been founded in imitation of Masonry. Masonry takes pains to disavow them. Most are harmless, but they still arent Masons.

 

[Shek]

Most Masons do not choose to do so, and those degrees, despite the impressive numbering system, do not make anyone a higher-level Mason.

Why would they choose to stop receiving more light?

That is your mission statement is it not?

 

[Albion]

Why would they choose to stop receiving more light?

That is your mission statement is it not?

Every individual makes his own choices based upon any number of considerations. It certainly is not the case that it takes more and more degrees for any member to be growing intellectually.

 

[Shek]

Every individual makes his own choices based upon any number of considerations.

So what is the light that is received in Masonry and how does it reflect on your faith?

Do you swear oaths?

 

[Innerfire89]

Excuse me?

Exodus 20:2 Hebrew Text Analysis

Exodus 20:3 Hebrew Text Analysis

I guess that someone neglected to tell you WHO Jesus worshiped?

Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 6:9-13 - New International Version

John 14:28 Greek Text Analysis

And I'll bet that you didn't know that there's not a single passage in the Bible that says Jesus ever claimed to be God.

Not one of Jesus 12 Apostles ever made the claim.

Jesus was a Jew and he practiced Judaic Law.

Judaism 101

The 1 true God is the Father who rules Heaven.

Yahweh

Exodus 3:15 Hebrew Text Analysis

Tetragrammaton - Wikipedia

A little off topic, but I'll bite.

Jesus is God Incarnate, fully man and fully God. When we come to such passages where Jesus talks about doing the Fathers will, it is simply understood as the fully man part of Christ is subservient to the fully God part.

John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:14
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,( and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Matthew 1:23
Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

See also:
Isaiah 9:6. John 10:30. Colossians 2:9. 1Corinthians 8:6.

 

[Shek]

John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Genesis 1:1 Hebrew Text Analysis

The Lord creates using his voice, he speaks and everything comes into being. (Science proven)

Genesis 1:3 Hebrew Text Analysis

Keeping in mind, John is quoting Jesus....and Jesus is talking about the Torah, the first 5 books of the OT; Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy.

The Torah was dictated by the Lord to Moses on Mount Sinai during the Exodus. Moses spent 40 days and nights on the mountain recording the Torah letter-by-letter. The commandments were given to Moses by an angel of the Lord written by the finger of the Lord himself.

Also, the English word "God" isn't a name, it's a title....that means "Eloha/Elohim" in Hebrew. It is used in the OT to separate the angels from the Lord.

Exodus 20:2 Hebrew Text Analysis

Exodus 20:3 Hebrew Text Analysis

So "God" in the OT actually means angel.

This is why the Lord's name is Yahweh Elohim = Lord God = Lord of the angels (Lord of Heaven).

Exodus 3:15 Hebrew Text Analysis

The Lord's name is 4 Hebrew letters.

Tetragrammaton - Wikipedia

YHWH = Yahweh

 

[Innerfire89]

Genesis 1:1 Hebrew Text Analysis

The Lord creates using his voice, he speaks and everything comes into being. (Science proven)

Genesis 1:3 Hebrew Text Analysis

Keeping in mind, John is quoting Jesus....and Jesus is talking about the Torah, the first 5 books of the OT; Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy.

The Torah was dictated by the Lord to Moses on Mount Sinai during the Exodus. Moses spent 40 days and nights on the mountain recording the Torah letter-by-letter. The commandments were given to Moses by an angel of the Lord written by the finger of the Lord himself.

Also, the English word "God" isn't a name, it's a title....that means "Eloha/Elohim" in Hebrew. It is used in the OT to separate the angels from the Lord.

Exodus 20:2 Hebrew Text Analysis

Exodus 20:3 Hebrew Text Analysis

So "God" in the OT actually means angel.

This is why the Lord's name is Yahweh Elohim = Lord God = Lord of the angels (Lord of Heaven).

Exodus 3:15 Hebrew Text Analysis

The Lord's name is 4 Hebrew letters.

Tetragrammaton - Wikipedia

YHWH = Yahweh

I don't know what the point is you're trying to make, but the Bible is clear that the Word is God and the Word dwelt among the apostles.

 

[Shek]

I don't know what the point is you're trying to make, but the Bible is clear that the Word is God and the Word dwelt among the apostles.

Jesus was a Jew, he practiced Judaic Law....so if you're not well-versed in the OT, that's the Bible that Jesus read and quoted.

John 1:1 = Genesis 1:1

Exodus 3:15 Hebrew Text Analysis

This passage tells you that the Lord's name forever is יְהוָ֞ה

It's also known as the unpronounceable name of God and translated into the word "Lord"...or "Yahweh".

Hebrew Concordance: Yah·weh -- 6218 Occurrences

Read the Wiki page showing the tetragrammaton and the various names that the Jews used in place of the Lord's proper name.

The Lord's name will never change...is the point.

There is only 1 God cuz he has only 1 name.

 

[Innerfire89]

Jesus was a Jew, he practiced Judaic Law....so if you're not well-versed in the OT, that's the Bible that Jesus read and quoted.

John 1:1 = Genesis 1:1

Exodus 3:15 Hebrew Text Analysis

This passage tells you that the Lord's name forever is יְהוָ֞ה

It's also known as the unpronounceable name of God and translated into the word "Lord"...or "Yahweh".

Hebrew Concordance: Yah·weh -- 6218 Occurrences

Read the Wiki page showing the tetragrammaton and the various names that the Jews used in place of the Lord's proper name.

The Lord's name will never change...is the point.

There is only 1 God cuz he has only 1 name.

So we're not arguing over the Trinity?
Or are we arguing over both the name of God and the Trinity?
If it's just the name of God your giving me a hard time about, then I'm not even gonna bother with such petty bickering.

 

[Shek]

So we're not arguing over the Trinity?

The trinity is only in 1 place in the Torah, the very same place where the Lord gave his proper name.

Exodus 3:15 Hebrew Text Analysis

God of Abraham = Father

God of Isaac = Son

God of Jacob = Holy Spirit Psalm 46:11 Hebrew Text Analysis

if someone doesn't believe in the one true God, Jesus Christ, then they are believing in a satanic lie.

Do you still believe that the above is a Satanic lie?

 

[MarkRohfrietsch]

First, that is untrue. The lodges do not advocate Universalism--and certainly do not require Universalism of the members.

It helps, in discussions like this one, to know the theological meaning of the term Universalism. It does not refer to people being of different faiths in some (or any) gathering. Otherwise, it would be nearly impossible for any of us to go out into society in any capacity whatsoever without being a Universalist!

No, I am correct. Three different lodges have tried to recruit me; when I explained why, they countered with #2, saying that they are not anti-Christian, that their only requirement is belief in a "supreme being"; so faith is required, but their definition of faith is unitarian universalist by definition.

 

[MarkRohfrietsch]

So we're not arguing over the Trinity?
Or are we arguing over both the name of God and the Trinity?
If it's just the name of God your giving me a hard time about, then I'm not even gonna bother with such petty bickering.

However, as Christians, this is what it all boils down to.

You shall have no other gods before you... says the Lord.

 

[MarkRohfrietsch]

Every individual makes his own choices based upon any number of considerations. It certainly is not the case that it takes more and more degrees for any member to be growing intellectually.

Free will, when presented with a logical argument, that was at odds with God's Word...; how did that work out for us in Eden?

 

[Albion]

No, I am correct. Three different lodges have tried to recruit me; when I explained why, they countered with #2, saying that they are not anti-Christian, that their only requirement is belief in a "supreme being"; so faith is required, but their definition of faith is unitarian universalist by definition.

Well, I cannot say what someone told you, just as you cannot say what Freemasonry is all about. But allowing men of different faiths to belong to the same fraternity is so far from Universalism or Unitarian Universalism that the claim actually is amusing to me.