Where Is Heaven?

[dreadnought]

1 Corinthians 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown [l]a perishable body, it is raised [m]an imperishable body; 43 it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; 44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.

Yes, I believe heaven and the resurrection are two different things.

 

[dreadnought]

Ok, but can you provide better references? The passages you've used so far don't work very well in your favor.

Jesus couldn't have been more clear: The kingdom of heaven is within us.

 

[dreadnought]

Heaven is a spiritual realm, it cannot be explained by physical location.

Thank you.

 

[dreadnought]

so will ignore that facts that I have given? I won't waste any more time here as it is very clear that you are not interested in anything others say, but your own warped view!

Jesus made it very clear that heaven is within us. He's the boss.

 

[W2L]

It's sort of hard following everybody's train of thought. Jesus said heaven is within us. He tells us to repent because the kingdom of heaven is at hand. I believe he is telling us that if we repent, we will have peace. And there there is the resurrection: the place we go when we die.

It depends on the correct translation. NASB says that the kingdom is in our midst, meaning with us but not necessarily in us. Its hard to understand heaven, and the Kingdom of heaven. Paul says we have already been resurrected. Whats that mean? I dunno.

Colossians 3:1 Therefore if you have been raised up with Christ, keep seeking the things above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God. 2 [a]Set your mind on the things above, not on the things that are on earth. 3 For you have died and your life is hidden with Christ in God.

 

[dreadnought]

Not true!

Well, Jesus said that heaven is within us.

 

[Micah888]

People say that heaven is a place (people say a lot of things), but Jesus said that “the kingdom of God is within you (Luke 17:20 KJV).”

There's no conflict here whatsoever. Heaven is indeed a place which is beyond human imagination, and God and Christ are in Heaven, with all the holy angels, and all the OT and NT saints.

But you and I are on earth, and when we experience the New Birth, we see and enter the Kingdom of God (John 3), and thus the Kingdom of God then is "within you". That's because it is "Christ in you the hope of glory".

But after the second coming of Christ, there will be a literal, visible, tangible Kingdom of God on earth, with universal peace, prosperity and righteousness, and Christ as King. Read and study Daniel 7 for starters.

 

[dreadnought]

"Within you" and "among you" are NOT basically the same thing.

Further, while a translation as a whole can certainly be "reliable" that in no way suggests it is the most accurate in every single word.

You have to understand that heaven is what happens to us when we repent of our sin. It can be worded different ways.

 

[HypnoToad]

Jesus couldn't have been more clear: The kingdom of heaven is within us.

And as REPEATEDLY shown, "within" is a poor and unlikely translation.

Sticking your head in the sand and ignoring what you're being told is not a convincing argument.

If you have nothing else, I'm done here. I'm not going to waste my time further if you are going to just ignore what is being said.

 

[HypnoToad]

You have to understand that heaven is what happens to us when we repent of our sin.

Such is your CLAIM, we get that. But you haven't provided any substantial argument backing up that claim.

 

[dreadnought]

It depends on the correct translation. NASB says that the kingdom is in our midst, meaning with us but not necessarily in us. Its hard to understand heaven, and the Kingdom of heaven. Paul says we have already been resurrected. Whats that mean? I dunno.

Colossians 3:1 Therefore if you have been raised up with Christ, keep seeking the things above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God. 2 [a]Set your mind on the things above, not on the things that are on earth. 3 For you have died and your life is hidden with Christ in God.

Heaven is what happens to us when we repent of our sin, I believe. It’s a little hard to put into words:

“Heaven is within you.”
“Heaven is in the midst of you.”
“The kingdom of heaven is near.”
“The kingdom of heaven is at hand.”

 

[dreadnought]

There's no conflict here whatsoever. Heaven is indeed a place which is beyond human imagination, and God and Christ are in Heaven, with all the holy angels, and all the OT and NT saints.

But you and I are on earth, and when we experience the New Birth, we see and enter the Kingdom of God (John 3), and thus the Kingdom of God then is "within you". That's because it is "Christ in you the hope of glory".

But after the second coming of Christ, there will be a literal, visible, tangible Kingdom of God on earth, with universal peace, prosperity and righteousness, and Christ as King. Read and study Daniel 7 for starters.

I think the point of the whole thing is that we will have heaven if we repent of our sin - and we don't have to wait.

 

[dreadnought]

And as REPEATEDLY shown, "within" is a poor and unlikely translation.

Sticking your head in the sand and ignoring what you're being told is not a convincing argument.

If you have nothing else, I'm done here. I'm not going to waste my time further if you are going to just ignore what is being said.

If we repent of our sin, we have peace. How do you say it?

The kingdom of heaven is within you. The kingdom of heaven is in the midst of you. The kingdom of heaven is near. The kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Say it any way you want to, but repent.

 

[dreadnought]

Such is your CLAIM, we get that. But you haven't provided any substantial argument backing up that claim.

Repent and find out.

 

[EternallyKeptByJesus]

People say that heaven is a place (people say a lot of things), but Jesus said that “the kingdom of God is within you (Luke 17:20 KJV).”

So how do you find it? Try this:

From that time Jesus began to preach, saying, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." Matt 4:17 RSV

Heaven and Kingdom of God or Kingdom of heaven is two different things. Heaven is literal, where as the Kingdom of God is all the blessings of God that you can have now. Being blessed in life in your health and financial well being as well as your social life.

I am not talking about life being perfect but I am saying that having a blessed life, being the head and not the tail is the kingdom of God. God's kingdom is all goodness.

Be Blessed.

 

[Alpha.Omega]

There's no conflict here whatsoever. Heaven is indeed a place which is beyond human imagination, and God and Christ are in Heaven, with all the holy angels, and all the OT and NT saints.

But you and I are on earth, and when we experience the New Birth, we see and enter the Kingdom of God (John 3), and thus the Kingdom of God then is "within you". That's because it is "Christ in you the hope of glory".

But after the second coming of Christ, there will be a literal, visible, tangible Kingdom of God on earth, with universal peace, prosperity and righteousness, and Christ as King. Read and study Daniel 7 for starters.

"thus the Kingdom of God then is "within you". That's because it is "Christ in you the hope of glory".

Note that Jesus was addressing the unsaved Pharisees here. "within" cannot be the use of the word here. see #18

 

[W2L]

Acts 14:22 strengthening the souls of the disciples, encouraging them to continue in the faith, and saying, “Through many tribulations we must enter the kingdom of God.”

 

[HypnoToad]

If we repent of our sin, we have peace. How do you say it?

I say, "we have peace." That's how I say it.

The kingdom of heaven is within you. The kingdom of heaven is in the midst of you. The kingdom of heaven is near. The kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Say it any way you want to, but repent.

The issue, though, ONCE AGAIN, is that "within you" is NOT synonymous with "in the midst of". "Within you" is NOT synonymous with "near". "Within you" is NOT synonymous with "at hand".

You can't just pretend different words have identical meanings simply because you want them to.

 

[HereIStand]

I believe that heaven and the kingdom of God are the same place.

What Jesus said needs to interpreted.

 

[Alpha.Omega]

ἐντός, as used by Xenophon, in his Anabasis, written in about 370 B.C, showing that this use was available to Luke when he wrote His Gospel in the 1st century A.D.

" 'in the midst of your ranks,’ as in Xen. Anab. I. 10, § 3"