LDS As Latter-day Saints use the words saved and salvation, there are at least six different meanings.

[He is the way]

Is that supposed to be in answer to my post, He is the way?

The D&C is not Christian, so I don't see how that answers my objection about what is found in Christian scriptures and other early writings. Might as well quote from the Baghavad Gita or the Granth Guru Sahib.

In your opinion the D&C is not Christian. In my opinion the D&C was given through the prophets of God directly from Jesus Christ. The Bible states:

(Old Testament | Amos 3:7)

7 Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.
(New Testament | Revelation 10:7)

7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

Would we even have scriptures if it were not for the prophets?

 

[dzheremi]

Not everything is a matter of opinion. The books that are unique to the Mormon religion are simply not related to Christianity. They didn't come from it, they don't belong within it, and they aren't accepted within it.

 

[Rescued One]

Although the Book of Mormon helps to clarify the Bible, I know of no extra-Biblical commandments contained therein. I rely of the sermon on the mount and the doctrine of Jesus Christ who gave us the commandments as stated in the Bible.

What --- you don't want LDS eternal life?! Haven't had your endowments, washings, sealings, temple marriage, covenants, Law of Sacrifice? Too bad.

 

[Rescued One]

In your opinion the D&C is not Christian. In my opinion the D&C was given through the prophets of God directly from Jesus Christ. The Bible states:

(Old Testament | Amos 3:7)

7 Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.
(New Testament | Revelation 10:7)

7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

Would we even have scriptures if it were not for the prophets?

The Bible is God's word and He gave it to man before it was written down and no law said He was required to use prophets.

False prophets aren't God's leaders.

 

[He is the way]

Not everything is a matter of opinion. The books that are unique to the Mormon religion are simply not related to Christianity. They didn't come from it, they don't belong within it, and they aren't accepted within it.

Do you believe Catholics are Christians? Jesus was not a separatist. He loved all children and all people including Romans, Samaritans, Jews, etc. I believe in the Bible and follow Christ's teachings. I know who I follow.

 

[He is the way]

What --- you don't want LDS eternal life?! Haven't had your endowments, washings, sealings, temple marriage, covenants, Law of Sacrifice? Too bad.

I want eternal life through God the Father through His Son Jesus Christ. That is why I follow the teachings of Jesus Christ:

(New Testament | Mark 10:17 - 21)

17 ¶ And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?
18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.
19 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.
20 And he answered and said unto him, Master, all these have I observed from my youth.
21 Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.

 

[thecolorsblend]

Because some part of Calvinism is incorrect IMO, does not mean that it is all incorrect or vice versa.

It kind of does though. You know?

 

[He is the way]

The Bible is God's word and He gave it to man before it was written down and no law said He was required to use prophets.

False prophets aren't God's leaders.

The Book of Mormon is God's word and He gave it to man before it was written down. While it is true that God is not required to use prophets He does just that. Miraculously Joseph Smith was able to dictate the Book of Mormon in just 65 days without using any script or any kind of paperwork while in his early 20s. He was also able to able to give us the Doctrine and Covenants, the JST, and the Pearl of Great Price before his untimely death at the age of 33. This doctrine teaches us to follow Jesus Christ and to keep His commandments.

 

[Rescued One]

The Book of Mormon is God's word and He gave it to man before it was written down. While it is true that God is not required to use prophets He does just that. Miraculously Joseph Smith was able to dictate the Book of Mormon in just 65 days without using any script or any kind of paperwork while in his early 20s. He was also able to able to give us the Doctrine and Covenants, the JST, and the Pearl of Great Price before his untimely death at the age of 33. This doctrine teaches us to follow Jesus Christ and to keep His commandments.

Many false prophets are in the world.

Hebrews 1:2
Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

John 10
22And it was at Jerusalem the feast of the dedication, and it was winter. 23And Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon's porch. 24Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly. 25Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me. 26But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. 27My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

Praying for you.

 

[Rescued One]

Do you believe Catholics are Christians? Jesus was not a separatist. He loved all children and all people including Romans, Samaritans, Jews, etc. I believe in the Bible and follow Christ's teachings. I know who I follow.

How can you insinuate that dzheremi doesn't know Who he follows? Also, why would you ask him about Catholics? Boy, are you in for a surprise!

Praying for you.

 

[He is the way]

How can you insinuate that dzheremi doesn't know Who he follows? Also, why would you ask him about Catholics? Boy, are you in for a surprise!

Praying for you.

I didn't insinuate anything. I follow Jesus Christ.

 

[dzheremi]

Do you believe Catholics are Christians? Jesus was not a separatist. He loved all children and all people including Romans, Samaritans, Jews, etc. I believe in the Bible and follow Christ's teachings. I know who I follow.

Yes, I believe that Catholics are Christians, but what does this have to do with the fact that Mormon books are not a part of Christian scripture?

 

[twin.spin]

I want eternal life through God the Father through His Son Jesus Christ. That is why I follow the teachings of Jesus Christ:

(New Testament | Mark 10:17 - 21)

17 ¶ And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?
18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.
19 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.
20 And he answered and said unto him, Master, all these have I observed from my youth.
21 Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.

And is it coincidental that you not ended with the man went away sad and grieved at Jesus' answer.

(New Testament | Mark 10:22)​

Not one word was told to the man by Jesus that gave him any hope according to what Biblical Christianity teaches.

"For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all."
(New Testament | James 2:10).​

One stumble – one unintentional sin – causes the verdict of “guilty” to rain down on our heads.
Jesus didn’t say, “try to be perfect”. He said, “be perfect” (Matthew 5:48) for those who attempt eternal life via obeying the commandments in any percentage other than by faith in Jesus.

 

[Major1]

The Book of Mormon is God's word and He gave it to man before it was written down. While it is true that God is not required to use prophets He does just that. Miraculously Joseph Smith was able to dictate the Book of Mormon in just 65 days without using any script or any kind of paperwork while in his early 20s. He was also able to able to give us the Doctrine and Covenants, the JST, and the Pearl of Great Price before his untimely death at the age of 33. This doctrine teaches us to follow Jesus Christ and to keep His commandments.

1).
Mormon Article of Faith #8.........
"We Believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God."

Why do you only add the phrase, "as far as it is translated correctly" to describe the Bible and not after the book of Mormon when in fact there are far more translating errors in the Book of Mormon than the Bible?

2).
If the Book of Mormon is true, then why has the Mormon church changed it? Examples are: 1 Nephi 11:21; 19:20; 20:1 and Alma 29:4. Compare these with the original Book of Mormon. (Gerald and Sandra Tanner have counted 3913 changes in the book of Mormon, excluding punctuation changes.)

3).
How did Joseph Smith carry home the golden plates of the Book of Mormon, and how did the witnesses lift them so easily? (They weighed about 230 lbs. Gold, with a density of 19.3 weighs 1204.7 lbs. per cubic foot. The plates were 7" x 8" by about 6". See Articles of Faith, by Talmage, page 262, 34th ed.)

4).
Joseph Smith said that there are men living on the moon who dress like Quakers and live to be nearly 1000 years old. Since he was wrong about the moon, is it safe to trust him regarding the way to Heaven? (The Young Woman's Journal, Vol. 3, pages 263-264. See repreint in Mormonism --Shadow or Reality? by Jerald and Sandra Tanner, page 4.)

 

[Major1]

I didn't insinuate anything. I follow Jesus Christ.

Actually you follow Joseph Smith.

I am sure that you are a wonderful person but just like all Mormons you are deceived.

Mormonism is not Christian because it denies one or more of the essential doctrines of Christianity that are stated in the Bible. Here is a basic list of what true Christianity teaches as Christian doctrine according to the Bible, not our interpretation.
Is Mormonism Christian? Are Mormons Christian? | CARM.org

1. There is only one God in all existence (Exodus 20:1-4; Isaiah 43:10; 44:6, 8; 45:5).
2. Jesus is divine (John 1:1, 14; 8:24; Col. 2:9)
3. Forgiveness of sins is by grace alone without works (Eph. 2:8-9; Rom. 3:28; 4:1-5)
4. Jesus rose from the dead physically (John 2:19-21; Luke 24:39)
5. The gospel is the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus (1 Cor. 15:1-4)

Mormonism denies that there is only one God in all existence and also denies the forgiveness of sins alone in Christ alone. Therefore, it is outside of Bible Christianity.

It is a religion unto itself.

 

[Major1]

I want eternal life through God the Father through His Son Jesus Christ. That is why I follow the teachings of Jesus Christ:

(New Testament | Mark 10:17 - 21)

17 ¶ And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?
18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.
19 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.
20 And he answered and said unto him, Master, all these have I observed from my youth.
21 Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.

I encourage you to do the study of that which you are placing your faith in, The Mormon religion.

Mormonism teaches that God the Father has a body of flesh and bones (D. & C. 130:22) and that Jesus is a creation who was begotten in heaven as one of God’s spirit children (See the book, Jesus the Christ, by James Talmage, p. 8).

This is in strict contrast to the biblical teaching that he is God in flesh (John 1:1, 14), eternal (John 1:1, 2, 15), uncreated, yet born on earth (Col. 1:15), and the creator of all (John 1:3; Col. 1:16-17).

Jesus cannot be both created and not created at the same time. Though Mormonism teaches that Jesus is God in flesh, it teaches that he is "a" god in flesh, one of three gods that comprise the office of the Trinity (Articles of Faith, by Talmage, pp. 35-40).

These three gods are the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. This contradicts the biblical doctrine that there is only one God (Isaiah 43:10; 44:6, 8; 45:5).
Is Mormonism Christian? Are Mormons Christian? | CARM.org

 

[Major1]

In your opinion the D&C is not Christian. In my opinion the D&C was given through the prophets of God directly from Jesus Christ. The Bible states:

(Old Testament | Amos 3:7)

7 Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.
(New Testament | Revelation 10:7)

7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

Would we even have scriptures if it were not for the prophets?

YES!

If He had not used the prophets and the Apostle he would and could have used ROCKS.

Luke 19:40 ...........
"I tell you," he replied, "if they keep quiet, the stones will cry out."

Hebrews 1:1-2.............
"In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe."

 

[Rescued One]

Do you believe Catholics are Christians? Jesus was not a separatist. He loved all children and all people including Romans, Samaritans, Jews, etc. I believe in the Bible and follow Christ's teachings. I know who I follow.

I want eternal life through God the Father through His Son Jesus Christ. That is why I follow the teachings of Jesus Christ:...

His sheep follow Him because He is their Shepherd Who has given them eternal life.

(New Testament | Mark 10:17 - 21)

17 ¶ And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?
18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.
19 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.
20 And he answered and said unto him, Master, all these have I observed from my youth.
21 Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.

Jesus said, "Follow ME."

John 10
13The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep.

22And it was at Jerusalem the feast of the dedication, and it was winter. 23And Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon's porch. 24Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly. 25Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me. 26But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. 27My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

Praying for you.

 

[Ironhold]

You need to get away from the Tanners.

They've shown in the past that they feel no qualms about using the Devil's tactics in God's name.

2).
If the Book of Mormon is true, then why has the Mormon church changed it? Examples are: 1 Nephi 11:21; 19:20; 20:1 and Alma 29:4. Compare these with the original Book of Mormon. (Gerald and Sandra Tanner have counted 3913 changes in the book of Mormon, excluding punctuation changes.)

No, the changes were *not* excluding such things.

Apologist Jeff Lindsay devotes an entire page on his website to addressing the charge as presented:

LDSFAQ: Changes in the Book of Mormon

To quote:

The many changes that critics are so indignant over are corrections of the very kind one would expect in putting a hand-written document into type with crude technology and under difficult circumstances - and in a time with many varying spelling practices. Many of the changes are due to the fact that the Book of Mormon was dictated to scribes without punctuation and without division between verses and chapter - just as one might expect from a fairly direct translation of an ancient Hebraic or Semitic text, written without punctuation. The lack of punctuation in the original required much work after dictation to put it in a presentable form - but that work was not done to cover up mistakes in the original and did not involve changing stories, doctrine, or anything else of substance. Numerous minor errors were printed in the original 1830 edition because of errors in preparing handwritten printer's manuscripts from the original manuscript, and because of additional printing errors. Again, many of the changes in the Book of Mormon over the years have been necessary to make the text correspond more perfectly with the original manuscript. It's simply untrue to say that the Church has departed from the original or that there were gross blunders in the original manuscript that needed to be fixed because they showed the Book to be a fraud.

3).
How did Joseph Smith carry home the golden plates of the Book of Mormon, and how did the witnesses lift them so easily? (They weighed about 230 lbs. Gold, with a density of 19.3 weighs 1204.7 lbs. per cubic foot. The plates were 7" x 8" by about 6". See Articles of Faith, by Talmage, page 262, 34th ed.)

Actually, most attempts to calculate the weight of the plates are off, due to people both treating the plates as a solid block (there would have been gaps between pages due to the nature of the engraving process used to put the wording on them) that was made of pure gold (pure gold is too soft to maintain shape like this and so it would have been an alloy, possibly of a material known as tumbaga: Tumbaga - Wikipedia ).

I'm trying to find some various calculations made using these considerations, but given the above considerations I've seen weights cited that are as little as 90 pounds. In fact, people other than Joseph had no effort lifting the plates at all: What was the approximate weight of the gold plates from which the Book of Mormon was translated? - ensign .

If it tells you anything, take a look at this here bag of concrete mix:

Shop QUIKRETE 80-lb High Strength Concrete Mix at Lowes.com

I'm pretty well broken down due to injuries, but I can still heft one of these and carry it without much issue. That's 80 pounds, in the neighborhood of what the plates are estimated to have weighed.

4).
Joseph Smith said that there are men living on the moon who dress like Quakers and live to be nearly 1000 years old. Since he was wrong about the moon, is it safe to trust him regarding the way to Heaven? (The Young Woman's Journal, Vol. 3, pages 263-264. See repreint in Mormonism --Shadow or Reality? by Jerald and Sandra Tanner, page 4.)

This is another one where the Tanners do not provide full context.

Mormon/LDS Answers: Questions about LDS Prophets and the Mormons

You see, at the time Joseph Smith supposedly said that, a number of newspapers were reporting on... there being life on the moon. These newspapers had fallen for a hoax perpetrated by people claiming to represent a top astronomer, and so the news was being reported widely.

If Joseph did indeed make the statement (just about every critical claim comes from a single source that was given decades after the fact), all it could well mean is that he read the daily newspaper. That's a perfectly human thing.

 

[Ironhold]

Is Mormonism Christian? Are Mormons Christian? | CARM.org

No, that's a list of what Matt Slick believes defines Christianity.

Read up on Slick and how he's been running CARM.

...While you still can, as someone's been going around scrubbing anything that doesn't put him in a good light.

Once place to start:

Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry (CARM) - SHIELDS