COL 2:14-17 The REAL truth from God's Word

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Was that a quote of his? If not then please accurately make a quote.

Doesn't have to be a direct quote to be true. He promotes the idea of wilful sin will keep one out of heaven. He also promotes the idea violation of the law as wilful sin. This can't be true for the Christian because that isn't our covenant. That covenant isn't even for the Jew because it has been retired and replaced.

We don't make up quotes. You're flat out telling us to lie.

 

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Again, that's not what I said. Please stop misquoting me. I believe that is against the bylaws of this forum. (Unless you are not under those laws either). ; )

Do you promote obligation to the law? Why or why not? And exactly what law as in the ten commandments?

 

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You responded to my post, so intentional or not it was addressed to me.

That by itself doesn't make it personal.

 

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1 John 1:8 is before Christ - need to be cleansed of all sin
1 John 3:9 is after Christ - He gave us the Holy Spirit

No because John is addressing Christians. He's not evangelizing the lost.

 

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That was well done! And that was the irony that I was speaking of. The Law no longer condemns us but because it is in our hearts we desire to do the will of the Father.

This is the difficult thing that many struggle with. Some understand that we have nothing further to do with the Law when in reality it becomes internalized and relevant to us now rather than external and condemning.

Good job!

The irony for me is your claim the law written on our heart is the national law given to Israel at Sinai when in fact Jeremiah says the opposite.

 

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I'm glad we have some agreement here. When Paul speaks of dying to the law/being released from the law/not being under the law, he is speaking of not being under the condemnation of the law, we are dead to that. We follow after the Holy Spirit, not the written code.
I love Gal5:22&23. The more we follow after the Holy Spirit, the more the fruit of the Spirit grows in us, and against that fruit there is no law, for that fruit encompasses the heart of how God wants us to live. The more we have the fruit, the more in line we are with the law in our minds and hearts.

Paul doesn't say anywhere we're released from the condemnation of the law. What Paul says is we're released from the law. Because we're released from the law it can't condemn us. It has no power or authority over the Christian.

 

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I actually love SDAs, having been one. The Pharisees knew and kept the Ten Commandments, yet Jesus said, "For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven." The New Covenant does that.

So if righteousness comes by the law as proclaimed here you can't get into heaven. Isn't that what Jesus says in John 10?

 

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1 John 1:8 is before Christ - need to be cleansed of all sin
1 John 3:9 is after Christ - He gave us the Holy Spirit

For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you.> 15 But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins
Matt6:14&15

It seems you disagree with Jesus, again, as well as with John

If WE(WE Christians, John is including himself) claim to be without sin we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us

Still, as you believe the Pharisees obeyed and were righteous under the TC(Jesus disagreed) I can only believe you have such a shallow understanding of what the law actually demands. Hence, your claim you, like the Pharisees(in your view) do not commit sin

 

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Paul doesn't say anywhere we're released from the condemnation of the law. What Paul says is we're released from the law. Because we're released from the law it can't condemn us. It has no power or authority over the Christian.

Christ is the end of the law, unto righteousness for everyone who believeth
Rom 10:4

 

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Yes.

The Law of God: Rom 3:31, 7:22-25, 8:7
The law of sin: Rom 7:23-25
The law of sin and death: Rom 8:2
The law of the spirit of life: Rom 8:2
The law of faith: Rom 3:27
The law of righteousness: Rom 9:31
The law of Messiah: I Cor 9:21

You don't understand what the law is and does. The law is and requires death for violation. Thus it is also the law of death. It is also the law of sin because of the way the mind works. Dwelling on any of the commandments causes one to think about the subject mater of them. Dwelling on murder, lust, adultery and coveting causes one to think about doing them. It doesn't cause one to not think about doing them.The Christian has a changed heart and doesn't thin about doing evil things. I didn't say the enemy won't inject wicked thought into you heart and mind. When you dwell on those foreign thoughts they could cause you to commit sin.

 

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How do you keep the law?

I don't think he does. I don't.

 

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Actually you must quote him for any legitimate claim to be made.

No because of contents of the posts. An example is a partial truth statement. Partial truth is a full lie. Context is content.

 

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And how does He do that? Does He mention the Law? Or does He just give you a warm fuzzy? Just wondering. If you could describe how the Holy Spirit tells you about sin that might be most informative.

Galatians 5:18 says it very well.

But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

This verse says one isn't led by both or the Spirit leads one to the law. If you want to relate all sin to the law Galatians 3:19 says transgression (sin) is the reason the law came. If sin was in the world before the law as Romans 5:13 says the law didn't create or even define sin. And isn't only a violation of the law as promoted with the half quote from 1 John 3:4. The law adds to sin as Paul states in Romans 7:13.

 

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Now we are getting somewhere! Do you see the difference between the 10 C and the eternal law of God?

Sorry but isn't the discussion about the national law given to Israel? Why is it being changed to something different?

 

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Coveting leads to stealing and adultery, even killing. Did they do these outward sins?

Please just answer the question.

 

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Right. The Commandments weren't the problem. So what was the problem? Why couldn't they be righteous with the 10C?

The problem is how the mind functions.

 

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Christ is the end of the law, unto righteousness for everyone who believeth
Rom 10:4

Right on! That passage says nothing about condemnation.

 

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You judge the Pharisees, yet didn't say what they did to break the 10th commandment. And you are not nice to me either.

Judge them or say what Jesus said about them. To agree with the Scripture isn't accusing the Pharisees of anything.

 

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Paul stated he faultlessly kept the legalistic law as a Pharisee(phil3:6 niv) If the Pharisees could be righteous by obeying the TC there would have been no need for Christ to die at Calvary

And doesn't Paul value the legalistic keeping of the law as dung?

 

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1 John 1:8 is before Christ - need to be cleansed of all sin
1 John 3:9 is after Christ - He gave us the Holy Spirit

Paul wrote to: The church of God in Corinth(1Cor1:2)

I assume then, with your views it is not sin to be carnally minded, worldly, quarrel and have jealousy(1Cor3:2&3)
It is not sinfull to get drunk(1Cor11:21)

No wonder you claim not to commit sin. Oh my