What Good is Free Will ?

[LoveofTruth]

You can quote verses to these people till the cows come home and they still can’t see it because false teachings block them!

You quoted yourself and commented on what you said here

 

[BNR32FAN]

Are you going to ask me if I parted my hair the right way this morning : You are a true Pharisee ! Strain at a gnat , and swallow a camel !

Can you at least try to help others to learn about God’s word without resorting to insults and disrespectful comments?

 

[LoveofTruth]

John 13(18): He chose us , not the opposite : Eph 1(11): He works ALL things after his own will! There is only God’s will : Why do you people have such a problem with there being only God’s will : Do you think you can do a better job then God? : Is That Why you keep demanding your own will : You have a problem with God’s will : WHY?

1. Does God make men deny him? Is it God doing that? But scripture teaches that God cannot deny himself.

2. Does God make a man lie? God. Cannot lie

3. Does God make someone blaspheme the Holy Ghost? God forbid even such a thought.

These basic questions need a “yes” or “no” answer. Really though I don’t want you to answer that number 3 question I don’t want you to blaspheme here but I want you to see the horror or of such a thought

I believe you cannot answer these because to do so is so horrible

if you say “yes” and your doctrine will collapse here. And if you say “no” God does not make men deny Him (for God cannot deny Himself) then you would have to admit that the person does it of them self and not by God making them do it. This would prove they have a will contrary to Gods will and so freewill.

If you say no God does not make them lie (for God cannot lie) this would also mean that they act of them self

As we see in scripture that the devil acts of himself not by God making him the father of lies

John 8 - 44. Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.”

notice that liars are of thier father the devil they are NOT of God.

Also when the devil speaks he does not speak OF God making him do it but he “speaks of if his own” self.

This one section shatters your entire teaching as others can see but if you do not answer yes or no to these simple questions and instead try to hide behind scriptures you quoted that won’t be an honest dealing eith the text.

 

[BNR32FAN]

We don’t choose : he chooses us : John 13(18) : ALL things are God’s will : Eph 1(11): Why do all you people keep demanding your own will : Do you think you could do better job then God : I assure you , you couldn’t ! So stop demanding your own will and please leave it to God : We will all be better off! All these people want to exalt themselves and help God as if he needs their help : Thank God there is only God’s will, and all things will be done right : despite what these people think!

Proverbs 16:9 - A man's heart deviseth his way: but the LORD directeth his steps.

John 7:17 - If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or [whether] I speak of myself.

Revelation 3:20 - Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

Matthew‬ ‭7:7-8‬ Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: for every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

 

[LoveofTruth]

Hebrews 12(2): Looking unto Jesus : The author and finisher of our faith : Thank God : Nobody can do a better job then Jesus : Why would we even want a free will ? : Could we do a better job then Jesus ? : Is it just a pride thing ? : We want to do it ! : I am so thankful that I am just clay in the great master potters hands (Jesus), I don’t want my own free will as I could never do as good a job as Jesus ! , I will just try and stay out of the way and let the master potter finish his great work he is doing in me : Praise Jesus : Give me your thoughts on this .

If you think there is no freewill why do you disagree with others who you say are wrong? Would it not be God making them say and do wrong and sin, so if you try and disagree with anyone about anything wouldn’t that be (according to your doctrine here) total rebellion and fighting against God?

But this is all absurd and exposes the chaos of your doctrine here!

We need to have sound words that cannot be condemned and God does not tell men to be holy then make them unholy.

God does not tell men not to deny him them go and make men deny him.

Such confusion in your teaching here John and absolutely contrary to scripture

You should recant this teaching and a few other teaching and go back to all the people you posted it to and on your site and delete it .

And speak according to the truth God has revealed

And read verses like this and many others and answer them if you still want to keep teaching your view.

Can’t you see these type of verses expose the error of your teaching here?

Ezra 7 - 13. I make a decree, that all they of the people of Israel, and of his priests and Levites, in my realm, which are minded of their own freewill to go up to Jerusalem, go with thee.”

Psalm 119 - 108. Accept, I beseech thee, the freewill offerings of my mouth, O LORD, and teach me thy judgments.”

Case should be closed with these verses but sadly I fear it will not.

We must study to show ourselves approved unto God a workman that needeth not be ashamed rightly dividing the word of truth

 

[LoveofTruth]

Hebrews 12(2): Looking unto Jesus : The author and finisher of our faith : Thank God : Nobody can do a better job then Jesus : Why would we even want a free will ? : Could we do a better job then Jesus ? : Is it just a pride thing ? : We want to do it ! : I am so thankful that I am just clay in the great master potters hands (Jesus), I don’t want my own free will as I could never do as good a job as Jesus ! , I will just try and stay out of the way and let the master potter finish his great work he is doing in me : Praise Jesus : Give me your thoughts on this .

Sorry John, I must expose this doctrine you have.

It is all for the good and deep care for your soul

I am not correcting all you have ever written or spoken just this teaching and the “greatest blasphemy” teaching and the one that says no believer can know they are saved.

And the very idea you teach that God makes men sin and deny him etc

These teachings. Must be strongly rejected and corrected

God help us all to speak His truth

 

[thecolorsblend]

Get it through your head : There is no such thing : False , man exalting teachings totally block peoples eyes !

Not sure how the notion of free will “exalts” man.

 

[LoveofTruth]

John

“1. Does God make men deny him? Is it God doing that? But God cannot deny himself.

2. Does God make a man lie? God Cannot lie.

3. Does God make someone blaspheme the Holy Ghost? God forbid even such a thought.

These basic questions need a “yes” or “no” answer. Really though I don’t want you to answer that number 3 question I don’t want you to blaspheme here but I want you to see the horror or of such a thought

I believe you cannot answer these because to do so is so horrible

Please do not say yes to number 3

I just posted that to show how serious this topic is

Pause before you teach these things and know that if your conclusion is that God makes men sin and blaspheme and deny him then you definitely have a wrong understanding

God does not tempt men with evil and Christ is not the minister of sin and God doeth no iniquity and God cannot lie or deny himself.

Because you CANNOT answer this your doctrine dies not stand in this area

 

[LoveofTruth]

Not sure how the notion of free will “exalts” man.

It doesn’t it’s the way he wrongly understands certain text

He thinks that if you had freeeill then salvation would be of your will and it is not of him that Willeth this is part of the error.

But what he misses is that we don’t save ourselves but we do we receive what God offers.

But even though men have a will and freewill their will is only subject to the parameters of their nature .

I Cannot fly like a bird even though my will may want to

A child may not choose to do what thier father ask but the father Can pick them up and put them in thier room against thier freewill. But they still have their will . They are fighting against the fathers will .

Jesus said he often he would have gathered them but they would not .

 

[BNR32FAN]

““For this is how God loved the world: He gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭3:16‬

Brother John God loves everyone in the world. Not only those He chooses. He calls on everyone but not everyone chooses to obey. Many people have mistaken God’s ability to foresee as predestination but just because He can see the outcome doesn’t mean that He chose everyone’s path.

 

[John tower]

I’m pretty sure free will is a real thing though, you know?

Unbelievable : You can lead a horse to water : but there is absolutely no way to get him to drink : Jer 10(23) , John 1(13) , Eph 1(11) , Rom 13(1) , I can quote scriptures all day but if one is blocked by a false teaching there is not much hope : Ye by your traditions which you have received of men make the word of God of none effect : really too bad .

 

[John tower]

It doesn’t it’s the way he wrongly understands certain text

He thinks that if you had freeeill then salvation would be of your will and it is not of him that Willeth this is part of the error.

But what he misses is that we don’t save ourselves but we do we receive what God offers.

But even though men have a will and freewill their will is only subject to the parameters of their nature .

I Cannot fly like a bird even though my will may want to

A child may not choose to do what thier father ask but the father Can pick them up and put them in thier room against thier freewill. But they still have their will . They are fighting against the fathers will .

Jesus said he often he would have gathered them but they would not .

It puts the work of God in man’s hands thus exalting man : not very hard to understand , unless you are blocked by false teaching .

 

[John tower]

““For this is how God loved the world: He gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭3:16‬

Brother John God loves everyone in the world. Not only those He chooses. He calls on everyone but not everyone chooses to obey. Many people have mistaken God’s ability to foresee as predestination but just because He can see the outcome doesn’t mean that He chose everyone’s path.

Predestination : Biblical fact : all over the bible : Who could do a better job then God : none of us : So why do you keep asking for your own will : You actually think you could do a better job then God : You think he needs your help : Try to understand Romans 9(11-22) : the whole creation waits for the revealing of his Elect : no one else !

 

[John tower]

““For this is how God loved the world: He gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭3:16‬

Brother John God loves everyone in the world. Not only those He chooses. He calls on everyone but not everyone chooses to obey. Many people have mistaken God’s ability to foresee as predestination but just because He can see the outcome doesn’t mean that He chose everyone’s path.

Rom 9 : Jacob have I loved But Esau have I hated : God does not love everyone : yet another false teaching if the churches : Hebrews says : For whom the lord loves he chastens : He does not love everyone : Whom the Lord loves ! Stop teaching Anti bible lies!

 

[John tower]

Rom 9 : Jacob have I loved But Esau have I hated : God does not love everyone : yet another false teaching if the churches : Hebrews says : For whom the lord loves he chastens : He does not love everyone : Whom the Lord loves ! Stop teaching Anti bible lies!

John 3(16) : so easily explained : the Whosoever believes in him are the ones who are pre ordained by God , not themselves : Acts 13(48): As many as were ordained to eternal life believe! : Your error which you cannot see is that you keep trying to put the work of God in man’s hands : God pre ordains them but you want to say man does it : That is your error : the constant exaltation of man : I’m sorry God is in control of everything Eph 1(11) And Colossians 1(17) And too many other verses to quote !

 

[sunlover1]

Hebrews 12(2): Looking unto Jesus : The author and finisher of our faith : Thank God : Nobody can do a better job then Jesus : Why would we even want a free will ? :

I would be VERY happy to be His puppet.

By the way, WHY would God tell us to pray for His will
to be done in our lives if it's automatically done already?

 

[John tower]

John 13(18): He chose us , not the opposite : Eph 1(11): He works ALL things after his own will! There is only God’s will : Why do you people have such a problem with there being only God’s will : Do you think you can do a better job then God? : Is That Why you keep demanding your own will : You have a problem with God’s will : WHY?

Who were before of old ordained to this condemnation : who pre ordained them : Proverbs 16(4); The LORD hath made all things : yea , even the wicked FOR THE DAY OF EVIL ! So yes : God ordains all things : Good and evil : Isaiah 45(7) , Col 1(17)

 

[John tower]

Therefore you have free will.

If the way of man is not in himself how can he have a free will : really amazing you can read this verse and then make that statement : amazing how false teachings can blind people like that : Bible says man has no free will and they cannot see it : Amazing : Mt 13(11) and 1 Cor 2 : My mind is made up : Don’t confuse me with the facts !

 

[John tower]

I would be VERY happy to be His puppet.

By the way, WHY would God tell us to pray for His will
to be done in our lives if it's automatically done already?

For our own reminder of this fact : some people really need this because they are all seeking their own will !

 

[thecolorsblend]

Unbelievable : You can lead a horse to water : but there is absolutely no way to get him to drink : Jer 10(23) , John 1(13) , Eph 1(11) , Rom 13(1) , I can quote scriptures all day but if one is blocked by a false teaching there is not much hope : Ye by your traditions which you have received of men make the word of God of none effect : really too bad .

I agree, free will is the real deal. I'm glad you came around on this.