Will breaking/not keeping the Sabbath keep you out of Heaven?

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O then, it is when I have passed through that I can do as I like. After I have accepted the Spirit I can have as many women as I like. I suppose that is why we so many Christian are doing that nowadays.

You also fail to understand the Christian has a changed heart and spirit no longer desiring to murder. Somehow you believe one can murder and be in compliance with John 13:34. I fail to understand this.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Sabbatarians often use this verse to say that the Sabbath was made for all mankind, but the text doesn't say that. It doesn't say, "The Sabbath was made for "mankind", it says, "the Sabbath was made for man".
When the Scripture is meant to be inclusive of all mankind it is clear. See Matthew 28:19; John 3:16; Acts 2:17; I Timothy 2:4; Titus 2:11. These verses clearly indicate that when God offers something to all mankind He clearly offers it to all. The Sabbath was not offered to all the nations. It was given only to the nation of Israel. Look at Deuteronomy 5:1-15 which gives the commandments to Israel. It is clearly stated that God did not give the Sabbath or other commandments to the fathers before (see verses 2-3).

Actually that has no truth in it if you follow God's WORD it is very clear the scriptures says what is says especially if you look at the the meaning of the GREEK word used for "MAN"

MARK 2 [27] And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath.

What is special about this GREEK word used for "MAN" is not only does it mean all mankind but it can be used to show the origin of man another words shows that God's SABBATH was given to ADAM and EVE as the GREEK means "CLAY BEINGS"

GREEK STRONGS G444 ἄνθρωπος anthropos (an'-thrō-pos) n.
1. (literally) man†-visage (i.e. a man-faced being, a man who has visibly come of age).2. (concretely, in Hebrew) A CLAY BEING (a classification of beings made in the image of God, who made them male and female). 3. (generically, in English) a human being. 4. (indefinitely) a certain man (i.e. someone). [from G435 and ops “the countenance” (from G3700)] KJV: certain, man Root(s): G435, G3700

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WHO ARE GOD'S ISRAEL in the NEW COVENANT?

THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: FOR YOU ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS AND IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN YOU ARE ABRAHAM'S SEED FOR YOU ARE ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS and IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN ARE YOU ABRAHAM'S SEED, AND HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE PROMISE (Galatians 3:28).

FOR THEY ARE NOT ALL ISRAEL WHICH ARE OF ISRAEL,: NEITHER, BECAUSE THEY ARE THE SEED OF ABRAHAM, ARE THEY ALL CHILDREN: but in Isaac shall thy seed be called <Christ> That is, THEY WHICH ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE FLESH, THESE ARE NOT THE CHILDREN OF GOD: BUT THE CHILDREN OF THE PROMISE <those who believe> ARE COUNTED FOR THE SEED (Romans 9:6).

FOR HE IS NOT A JEW WHICH IS ONE OUTWARDLY; NEITHER IS THAT CIRCUMCISION, WHICH IS OUTWARDS IN THE FLESH: BUT HE IS A JEW WHICH IS ONE INWARDLY; and CIRCUMCISION IS OF THE HEART, IN THE SPIRIT, AND NOT IN THE LETTER; whose praise is not of men, but of God. (Romans 2:28-29)

COLOSSIANS 3 [11], WHERE THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

ROMANS 10 [11]-[13], For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. FOR THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN JEW OR GREEK: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. FOR WHOSOEVER SHALL CALL UPON THE NAME OF THE LORD SHALL BE SAVED.

HEBREWS 8 [10]-[12], BUT THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL; After those days, says the LORD, I WILL PUT MY LAW IN THEIR INWARD PARTS, AND WRITE IT IN THEIR HEARTS; and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

Gentiles are now grafted into God's ISRAEL (Romans 11:13-24)

CONCLUSION: God's ISRAEL are those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW the WORD of GOD. Gentiles are now grafted in to God's ISRAEL. If you are NOT a part of God's ISRAEL then you are NOT a part of the NEW COVENANT. It seems God's WORD disagrees with you once more.

Seems God's WORD disagrees with you. Only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it.

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SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

 

[listed]

I asked you to say what the text says. Can you? John 8:
56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.

57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?

58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
Now if Jesus was not saying that He was the I Am that existed in the time of Abraham and Moses Why was verse 57 stated?

This is a claim to be God. This isn't a claim to be The Father. Why does Jesus say My Father if He is The Father? Who is it that Jesus prayed to? Who was Jesus talking on the cross when He My God why have you forsaken me? I find you position to br anti trinitarian.

 

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Jesus' claim don't get confuse because I quoted the verse. It did not originate with me. Take it up with Jesus.

Breaking the sabbath isn't listed.

 

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So you realise that Jesus is the only means of Salvation even for those in the old Covenant not the law nor the sacrificial system. Therefore there is no need to remove the law if you have Christ. Obeying the law does not negate Christ. But it does demonstrate that Christ is in our lives.

Salvation isn't granted in the OT. John 5 would be appropriate here.

39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

41 I receive not honour from men.

42 But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you.

43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

44 How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?

45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.

 

[listed]

God wrote what He wanted you add what you want.

What did he add?

 

[listed]

Why don't we be honest and say that it is just the Sabbath we do not want! If God would only take it out everything would be Just great.
What is extremely interesting is that He knew from the beginning that the Sabbath would cause problems.

For the same reason you reject Jeremiah 31:31-33 and Luke 22:20.

 

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If you can tell me why God will have us not keep it now but will have us keep it with Christ for eternity. Isa 66:22
For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain.

23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.

Your comments and verse don't agree. There's nothing about the sabbath in your verse. It clearly says from...to. It says nothing about "on." Maybe some day you'll quit defining from and to as on like the rest of the English speaking world.

 

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God will bring all evil to an end and the conditions we have on earth which are not as God would have them. The saved will not remember this evil world. What about this evil society would you want to remember?


This is just a poetic way of stating that we shall live forever and not perish or die as we do now. Rev. 21:
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.


This is making reference to Christ's second coming when all those that are not saved will be destroyed by the brightness of His coming, the saved will have gone with Jesus. Obviously they final destruction will be permanent.


You really believe that God does not know what He is saying. That He sent confusing messages to His children that He wants to know the truth? It also demonstrates that Sabbath is not about this earth. Sabbath is about God, and worship of Him. The constant in this situation is not the earth but God.


Would you believe God made a mistake, or that you have not allowed God word to speak to your heart as it should? Was Isaiah inspired by God or not? God has a problem explain what He is planning to do? Any right thing Holy Spirit driven person would go with God.

No we believe you don't know what you're saying.

 

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Yet it is the WORD of GOD that says those who break God's Commandments do not have God's Spirit neither do they KNOW him....

ACTS 5 [32] And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Spirit, WHOM GOD HAS GIVEN TO THEN THAT OBEY HIM.

1 JOHN 2 [3], And hereby we do know that we know him, IF WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS.[4], He that said, I KNOW HIM AND KEEPS NOT HIS COMMANDMENTS, IS A LIAR, AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM.

CONCLUSION: Those who KNOWINGLY break God's Commandments do NOT have HIS SPIRIT and do NOT KNOW God

Why do you throw out passages like 1 John 3:23 and John 15:10?

Why do you throw out Jeremiah 31:31-33 with God moved the covenant from stone to hearts when is doesn't say that?

Why do you throw out Luke 22:20?

 

[listed]

Actually that has no truth in it if you follow God's WORD it is very clear the scriptures says what is says especially if you look at the the meaning of the GREEK word used for "MAN"

MARK 2 [27] And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath.

What is special about this GREEK word used for "MAN" is not only does it mean all mankind but it can be used to show the origin of man another words shows that God's SABBATH was given to ADAM and EVE as the GREEK means "CLAY BEINGS"

GREEK STRONGS G444 ἄνθρωπος anthropos (an'-thrō-pos) n.
1. (literally) man†-visage (i.e. a man-faced being, a man who has visibly come of age).2. (concretely, in Hebrew) A CLAY BEING (a classification of beings made in the image of God, who made them male and female). 3. (generically, in English) a human being. 4. (indefinitely) a certain man (i.e. someone). [from G435 and ops “the countenance” (from G3700)] KJV: certain, man Root(s): G435, G3700

Doesn't your idea make Moses a liar? Why did God wait bout 2,000 years to say the sabbath was made for man against what Moses said? I base my argument on Exodus 13:13, 17 and Deuteronomy 5:3, 15.

You have Jesus teaching contrary to the law making Him a false prophet and teacher disqualifying Him as Savior.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Doesn't your idea make Moses a liar? Why did God wait bout 2,000 years to say the sabbath was made for man against what Moses said? I base my argument on Exodus 13:13, 17 and Deuteronomy 5:3, 15.

You have Jesus teaching contrary to the law making Him a false prophet and teacher disqualifying Him as Savior.

Not at all. It is God's WORD not mine, or my teaching. Thanks for the compliments though.

Your scriptures are not referring to the NEW Covenant but the OLD COVENANT. We are in the NEW COVENANT now.

Do you know what the OLD Covenant is? What is the OLD COVENANT in your view? This is an important questions because if you do not KNOW what the OLD COVENANT is how can you KNOW what the NEW COVENANT is?

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Your teaching against the LAW and the prophets this is something Jesus or the disciples never did. Jesus warns those who do so here...

MATTHEW 5 [17], Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. [18], For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. [19], Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

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WHO ARE GOD'S ISRAEL in the NEW COVENANT?

Gentiles are now grafted into God's ISRAEL (Romans 11:13-24)

THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: FOR YOU ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS AND IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN YOU ARE ABRAHAM'S SEED FOR YOU ARE ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS and IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN ARE YOU ABRAHAM'S SEED, AND HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE PROMISE (Galatians 3:28).

FOR THEY ARE NOT ALL ISRAEL WHICH ARE OF ISRAEL,: NEITHER, BECAUSE THEY ARE THE SEED OF ABRAHAM, ARE THEY ALL CHILDREN: but in Isaac shall thy seed be called <Christ> That is, THEY WHICH ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE FLESH, THESE ARE NOT THE CHILDREN OF GOD: BUT THE CHILDREN OF THE PROMISE <those who believe> ARE COUNTED FOR THE SEED (Romans 9:6).

FOR HE IS NOT A JEW WHICH IS ONE OUTWARDLY; NEITHER IS THAT CIRCUMCISION, WHICH IS OUTWARDS IN THE FLESH: BUT HE IS A JEW WHICH IS ONE INWARDLY; and CIRCUMCISION IS OF THE HEART, IN THE SPIRIT, AND NOT IN THE LETTER; whose praise is not of men, but of God. (Romans 2:28-29)

COLOSSIANS 3 [11], WHERE THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

ROMANS 10 [11]-[13], For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. FOR THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN JEW OR GREEK: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. FOR WHOSOEVER SHALL CALL UPON THE NAME OF THE LORD SHALL BE SAVED.

HEBREWS 8 [10]-[12], BUT THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL; After those days, says the LORD, I WILL PUT MY LAW IN THEIR INWARD PARTS, AND WRITE IT IN THEIR HEARTS; and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

CONCLUSION: God's ISRAEL are those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW the WORD of GOD. Gentiles are now grafted in to God's ISRAEL. If you are NOT a part of God's ISRAEL then you are NOT a part of the NEW COVENANT. It seems God's WORD disagrees with you once more.

Seems God's WORD disagrees with you. Only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God.

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SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

 

[Elder 111]

Sabbatarians often use this verse to say that the Sabbath was made for all mankind, but the text doesn't say that. It doesn't say, "The Sabbath was made for "mankind", it says, "the Sabbath was made for man". When the Scripture is meant to be inclusive of all mankind it is clear. See Matthew 28:19; John 3:16; Acts 2:17; I Timothy 2:4; Titus 2:11. These verses clearly indicate that when God offers something to all mankind He clearly offers it to all.

The Sabbath was not offered to all the nations. It was given only to the nation of Israel. Look at Deuteronomy 5:1-15 which gives the commandments to Israel. It is clearly stated that God did not give the Sabbath or other commandments to the fathers before (see verses 2-3).

So tell me what does man in the text mean?

 

[Elder 111]

This is a claim to be God. This isn't a claim to be The Father. Why does Jesus say My Father if He is The Father? Who is it that Jesus prayed to? Who was Jesus talking on the cross when He My God why have you forsaken me? I find you position to br anti trinitarian.

Jesus said He is the I am. How does that make me anti anything? You still did not say what the text means.

 

[Elder 111]

This is a claim to be God. This isn't a claim to be The Father. Why does Jesus say My Father if He is The Father? Who is it that Jesus prayed to? Who was Jesus talking on the cross when He My God why have you forsaken me? I find you position to br anti trinitarian.

Jesus said He is the I am. How does that make me anti anything? You still did not say what the text means.

 

[Elder 111]

This is a claim to be God. This isn't a claim to be The Father. Why does Jesus say My Father if He is The Father? Who is it that Jesus prayed to? Who was Jesus talking on the cross when He My God why have you forsaken me? I find you position to br anti trinitarian.

Jesus said He is the I am. How does that make me anti anything? You still did not say what the text means.

 

[Elder 111]

This is a claim to be God. This isn't a claim to be The Father. Why does Jesus say My Father if He is The Father? Who is it that Jesus prayed to? Who was Jesus talking on the cross when He My God why have you forsaken me? I find you position to br anti trinitarian.

Jesus said He is the I am. How does that make me anti anything? You still did not say what the text means. Does he not claim to be the God " I am"? Making Him the one that gave the Commandments.

 

[Elder 111]

Breaking the sabbath isn't listed.

Sunday is mentioned?

 

[Elder 111]

Salvation isn't granted in the OT. John 5 would be appropriate here.

39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

41 I receive not honour from men.

42 But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you.

43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

44 How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?

45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.

So no one in the OT will be saved?
Rev. 14:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

 

[Elder 111]

For the same reason you reject Jeremiah 31:31-33 and Luke 22:20.

Why would I reject the fact that God will write His 10 Commandments on our hearts?

 

[Elder 111]

For the same reason you reject Jeremiah 31:31-33 and Luke 22:20.

Why would I reject the fact that God will write His 10 Commandments on our hearts?