Genesis 6:1-4 and Jude 6&7 what do these passages mean? Why should we care?

[seventysevens]

So is this incorrect and if so please explain

Question: "What does it mean that Jesus is the second Adam?"

Answer: The Apostle Paul tells us in his first letter to the church in Corinth, “The first man Adam became a living being; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit. The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual. The first man was of the dust of the earth, the second man from heaven. As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the man from heaven, so also are those who are of heaven. And just as we have borne the likeness of the earthly man, so shall we bear the likeness of the man from heaven” (1 Corinthians 15:45-49).

Paul is here pointing out the difference between two kinds of bodies, i.e., the natural and the spiritual. Genesis 2:7 speaks of the first man, Adam, becoming a living person. Adam was made from the dust of the ground and given the breath of life from God. Every human being since that time shares the same characteristics. However, the last Adam or the “second Adam”—that is, Christ—is a life-giving Spirit. Just as Adam was the first of the human race, so Christ is the first of those who will be raised from the dead to eternal life. Because Christ rose from the dead, He is “a life-giving spirit” who entered into a new form of existence. He is the source of the spiritual life that will result in believers' resurrection. Christ's new glorified human body now suits His new, glorified, spiritual life—just as Adam's human body was suitable to his natural life. When believers are resurrected, God will give them transformed, eternal bodies suited to eternal life.

Paul tells us in verse 46 that the natural came first and after that the spiritual. People have natural life first; that is, they are born into this earth and live here. Only from there do they then obtain spiritual life. Paul is telling us that the natural man, Adam, came first on this earth and was made from the dust of the earth. While it is true that Christ has existed from eternity past, He is here called the second man or second Adam because He came from heaven to earth many years after Adam. Christ came as a human baby with a body like all other humans, but He did not originate from the dust of the earth as had Adam. He “came from heaven.”

Then Paul goes on: “As was the earthly man [Adam], so are those who are of the earth; and as is the man from heaven [Christ], so also are those who are of heaven. And just as we have borne the likeness of the earthly man, so shall we bear the likeness of the man from heaven” (1 Corinthians 15:48-49). Because all humanity is bound up with Adam, so every human being has an earthly body just like Adam's. Earthly bodies are fitted for life on this earth, yet they are limited by death, disease, and weakness because of sin which we’ve seen was first brought into the world by Adam.

However, the good news is that believers can know with certainty that their heavenly bodies will be just like Christ's—imperishable, eternal, glorious, and filled with power. At this time, all are like Adam; one day, all believers will be like Christ (Philippians 3:21). The Apostle John wrote to the believers, “Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when he appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is” (1 John 3:2).

Recommended Resource: Jesus: The Greatest Life of All by Charles Swindoll

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

! John 1:1Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.

6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

 

[jhwatts]

As the scripture


I believe the second man in this scripture to be Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth, the Lord of Heaven. But you say this is NOT the Christ. Can you explain?

Yes. I have no basis to think it is Christ. His name is not mentioned in this particular scripture. Although this particular passage states there are two Adams and therefore the obvious would be to connect the two Adams with the two creation stories clearly described in Genesis.

Its a no brainier.

Or on the other hand you could twist the clarity of this passage to mean something else. Something thing thats fits your personnel theology.

 

[seventysevens]

Yes. I have no basis to think it is Christ. His name is not mentioned in this particular scripture. Although this particular passage states there are two Adams and therefore the obvious would be to connect the two Adams with the two creation stories clearly described in Genesis.

Its a no brainier.

Or on the other hand you could twist the clarity of this passage to mean something else. Something thing thats fits your personnel theology.

So is this incorrect and if so please explain

Question: "What does it mean that Jesus is the second Adam?"

Answer: The Apostle Paul tells us in his first letter to the church in Corinth, “The first man Adam became a living being; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit. The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual. The first man was of the dust of the earth, the second man from heaven. As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the man from heaven, so also are those who are of heaven. And just as we have borne the likeness of the earthly man, so shall we bear the likeness of the man from heaven” (1 Corinthians 15:45-49).

Paul is here pointing out the difference between two kinds of bodies, i.e., the natural and the spiritual. Genesis 2:7 speaks of the first man, Adam, becoming a living person. Adam was made from the dust of the ground and given the breath of life from God. Every human being since that time shares the same characteristics. However, the last Adam or the “second Adam”—that is, Christ—is a life-giving Spirit. Just as Adam was the first of the human race, so Christ is the first of those who will be raised from the dead to eternal life. Because Christ rose from the dead, He is “a life-giving spirit” who entered into a new form of existence. He is the source of the spiritual life that will result in believers' resurrection. Christ's new glorified human body now suits His new, glorified, spiritual life—just as Adam's human body was suitable to his natural life. When believers are resurrected, God will give them transformed, eternal bodies suited to eternal life.

Paul tells us in verse 46 that the natural came first and after that the spiritual. People have natural life first; that is, they are born into this earth and live here. Only from there do they then obtain spiritual life. Paul is telling us that the natural man, Adam, came first on this earth and was made from the dust of the earth. While it is true that Christ has existed from eternity past, He is here called the second man or second Adam because He came from heaven to earth many years after Adam. Christ came as a human baby with a body like all other humans, but He did not originate from the dust of the earth as had Adam. He “came from heaven.”

Then Paul goes on: “As was the earthly man [Adam], so are those who are of the earth; and as is the man from heaven [Christ], so also are those who are of heaven. And just as we have borne the likeness of the earthly man, so shall we bear the likeness of the man from heaven” (1 Corinthians 15:48-49). Because all humanity is bound up with Adam, so every human being has an earthly body just like Adam's. Earthly bodies are fitted for life on this earth, yet they are limited by death, disease, and weakness because of sin which we’ve seen was first brought into the world by Adam.

However, the good news is that believers can know with certainty that their heavenly bodies will be just like Christ's—imperishable, eternal, glorious, and filled with power. At this time, all are like Adam; one day, all believers will be like Christ (Philippians 3:21). The Apostle John wrote to the believers, “Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when he appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is” (1 John 3:2).

Recommended Resource: Jesus: The Greatest Life of All by Charles Swindoll

 

[Riberra]

Is the Holy Spirit able to reveal to us which POV is the truth?

Handmaid ...

The Holy Spirit should point to you that what is written in Genesis was revealed to Moses by God ....and that it was written in the Hebrew language...

That errors of translation can change the meaning of a whole phrase ...

That the first translation error begin right in Genesis 1:2 ...when the Hebrew word meaning BECAME was translated in English as meaning WAS
Genesis
1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
2 And the earth WAS waste and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep: and the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters

Here the text when using the correct Hebrew definition
Genesis
2 And the earth BECAME waste and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep: and the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters

-In the English version the text read as if God have created the Earth a waste and a ruin [tohu bohu].

-While the Hebrew text say that the Earth BECAME A WASTE AND A RUIN [tohu bohu]

---->The Earth was Created perfect in Genesis 1:1

Now if you want some practical exercises ...
The World That Then Was, The First Earth Age | World Events and the Bible

Another interesting example is
'Adam, without the article, denotes man or mankind in general (Gen. 1:26; 2:5; 5:1), followed by plural pronoun). With the article, it denotes the man, Adam Gen. 2:7 (twice), 8, 15, 16, 19 (marg.), 22 (twice); 3:12, 22, 24; 5:1; 6:1 (rendered "men"), 2, 3, 4. After this, the Hebrew 'Adam = man or men, is used of the descendants of Adam. Hence, Christ is called "the son of Adam", not a son of Enosh.
More details :
The Synonymous Words Used for Man. - Appendix to the Companion Bible

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

Yes. I have no basis to think it is Christ. His name is not mentioned in this particular scripture. Although this particular passage states there are two Adams and therefore the obvious would be to connect the two Adams with the two creation stories clearly described in Genesis.

Its a no brainier.

Or on the other hand you could twist the clarity of this passage to mean something else. Something thing thats fits your personnel theology.

It is clear to me that, that is what you have done. Repent!

 

[jhwatts]

So is this incorrect and if so please explain

Question: "What does it mean that Jesus is the second Adam?"

Answer: The Apostle Paul tells us in his first letter to the church in Corinth, “The first man Adam became a living being; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit. The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual. The first man was of the dust of the earth, the second man from heaven. As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the man from heaven, so also are those who are of heaven. And just as we have borne the likeness of the earthly man, so shall we bear the likeness of the man from heaven” (1 Corinthians 15:45-49).

Paul is here pointing out the difference between two kinds of bodies, i.e., the natural and the spiritual. Genesis 2:7 speaks of the first man, Adam, becoming a living person. Adam was made from the dust of the ground and given the breath of life from God. Every human being since that time shares the same characteristics. However, the last Adam or the “second Adam”—that is, Christ—is a life-giving Spirit. Just as Adam was the first of the human race, so Christ is the first of those who will be raised from the dead to eternal life. Because Christ rose from the dead, He is “a life-giving spirit” who entered into a new form of existence. He is the source of the spiritual life that will result in believers' resurrection. Christ's new glorified human body now suits His new, glorified, spiritual life—just as Adam's human body was suitable to his natural life. When believers are resurrected, God will give them transformed, eternal bodies suited to eternal life.

Paul tells us in verse 46 that the natural came first and after that the spiritual. People have natural life first; that is, they are born into this earth and live here. Only from there do they then obtain spiritual life. Paul is telling us that the natural man, Adam, came first on this earth and was made from the dust of the earth. While it is true that Christ has existed from eternity past, He is here called the second man or second Adam because He came from heaven to earth many years after Adam. Christ came as a human baby with a body like all other humans, but He did not originate from the dust of the earth as had Adam. He “came from heaven.”

Then Paul goes on: “As was the earthly man [Adam], so are those who are of the earth; and as is the man from heaven [Christ], so also are those who are of heaven. And just as we have borne the likeness of the earthly man, so shall we bear the likeness of the man from heaven” (1 Corinthians 15:48-49). Because all humanity is bound up with Adam, so every human being has an earthly body just like Adam's. Earthly bodies are fitted for life on this earth, yet they are limited by death, disease, and weakness because of sin which we’ve seen was first brought into the world by Adam.

However, the good news is that believers can know with certainty that their heavenly bodies will be just like Christ's—imperishable, eternal, glorious, and filled with power. At this time, all are like Adam; one day, all believers will be like Christ (Philippians 3:21). The Apostle John wrote to the believers, “Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when he appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is” (1 John 3:2).

Recommended Resource: Jesus: The Greatest Life of All by Charles Swindoll

This is what the Apostle Paul tells us

Corinthians 15: (45-49)

45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. 46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. 47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. 48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. 49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

not what this man has stated.

 

[Riberra]

Major 1----> All you need to know about the reason associated to:

25. THE NEPHILIM, OR "GIANTS"
Of GEN. 6, &c.
The progeny of the fallen angels with the daughters of Adam (see notes on Gen. 6, and Ap. 23) are called in Gen. 6, Ne-phil-im, which means fallen ones (from naphal, to fall). What these beings were can be gathered only from Scripture. They were evidently great in size, as well as great in wickedness. They were superhuman, abnormal beings; and their destruction was necessary for the preservation of the human race, and for the faithfulness of Jehovah's Word (Gen. 3:15).

This was why the Flood was brought "upon the world of the ungodly" (2Pet. 2:5) as prophesied by Enoch (Jude 14).

But we read of the Nephilim again in Num. 13:33 : "there we saw the Nephilim, the sons of Anak, which come of the Nephilim". How, it may be asked, could this be, if they were all destroyed in the Flood? The answer is contained in Gen. 6:4, where we read : "There were Nephilim in the earth in those days (i.e. in the days of Noah); and also AFTER THAT, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became [the] mighty men (Heb. gibbor, the heroes) which were of old, men of renown" (lit. men of the name, i.e. who got a name and were renowned for their ungodliness).

So that "after that", i.e. after the Flood, there was a second irruption of these fallen angels, evidently smaller in number and more limited in area, for they were for the most part confined to Canaan, and were in fact known as "the nations of Canaan". It was for the destruction of these, that the sword of Israel was necessary, as the Flood had been before.

As to the date of this second irruption, it was evidently soon after it became known that the seed was to come through Abraham; for, when he came out from Haran (Gen. 12:6) and entered Canaan, the significant fact is stated : "The Canaanite was then (i.e. already) in the land." And in Gen. 14:5 they were already known as "Raphain" and Emim", and had established themselves at Asteroth Karnaim and Shaven Kiriathaim.

In ch. 15:18-21 they are enumerated and named among Canaanite Peoples : "Kenites, and the Kenizzites, and the Kadmonites, and the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Rephaims, and the Amorites, and the Girgashites, and the Jebusites" (Gen. 15:19-21; cp. Ex. 3:8, 17; 23:23. Deut. 7; 20:17. Josh. 12:8).

These were to be cut off, and driven out, and utterly destroyed (Deut. 20:17. Josh. 3:10). But Israel failed in this (Josh. 13:13; 15:63; 16:10; 17:18. Judg. 1:19, 20, 28, 29, 30-36; 2:1-5; 3:1-7); and we known not how many got away to other countries to escape the general destruction. If this were recognized it would go far to solve many problems connected with Anthropology.

As to their other names, they were called Anakim, from on Anak which came of the Nephilim (Num. 13:23), and Rephaim, from Rapha, another notable one among them. From Deut. 2:10, they were known by some as Emim, and Horim, and Zamzummim (v. 20, 21) and Avim, &c.

As Rephaim they were well known, and are often mentioned : but, unfortunately, instead of this, their proper name, being preserved, it is variously translated as "dead", "deceased", or "giants". TheseRephaim are to have no resurrection. This fact is stated in Isa. 26:14 (where the proper name is rendered "deceased," and v. 19, where it is rendered "the dead"). It is rendered "dead" seven times (Job 26:5. Ps. 88:10. Prov. 2:18; 9:18; 21:16. Isa. 14:8; 26:19). It is rendered "deceased" in Isa. 26:14.

It is retained as a proper name "Rephaim" ten times (two being in the margin). Gen. 14:5; 15:20. Josh. 12:15 (marg.). 2Sam. 5:18, 22; 23:13.& b31 nbsp; 1Chron. 11:15; 14:9; 20:4 (marg.). Isa. 17:5. In all other places it is rendered "giants", Gen. 6:4; Num. 23:33, where it is Nephilim; and Job 16:14, where it is gibbor (Ap. 14. iv). By reading all these passages the Bible student may know all that can be known about these beings.

It is certain that the second irruption took place before Gen. 14, for there the Rephaim were mixed up with the five nations or peoples, which included Sodom and Gomorrha, and were defeated by the four kings under Chedorlaomer. Their principal locality was evidently "Ashtaroth Karnaim"; while the Emimwere in the plain of Kiriathaim (Gen. 14:5).

Anak was a noted descendant of the Nephilim; and Rapha was another, giving their names respectively to different clans. Anak's father was Arba, the original builder of Hebron (Gen. 35:27. Josh. 15:13; 21:11); and this Palestine branch of the Anakim was not called Arbahim after him, but Anakim after Anak. They were great, mighty, and tall (Deut. 2:10, 11, 21, 22, 23; 9:2), evidently inspiring the ten spies with great fear (Num. 13:33). Og king of Bashan is described in Deut. 3:11.

Their strength is seen in "the giant cities of Bashan" to-day; and we know not how far they may have been utilized by Egypt in the construction of buildings, which is still an unsolved problem. Arba was rebuilt by the Khabiri or confederates seven years before Zoan was built by the Egyptian Pharoahs of the nineteenth dynasty. See note on Num. 13:22.

If these Nephilim, and their branch of Rephaim, were associated with Egypt, we have an explanation of the problem which has for ages perplexed all engineers, as to how those huge stones and monuments were brought together. Why not in Egypt as well as in "the giant cities of Bashan" which exist, as such, to this day?

Moreover, we have in these mighty men, the "men of renown," the explanation of the origin of the Greek mythology. That mythology was no mere invention of the human brain, but it grew out of the traditions, and memories, and legends of the doings of that mighty race of beings; and was gradually evolved out of the "heroes" of Gen. 6:4. The fact that they were supernatural in their origin formed an easy step to their being regarded as the demi-gods of the Greeks.

Thus the Babylonian "Creation Tablets", the Egyptian "Book of the dead", the Greek mythology, and heathen Cosmogonies, which by some are set on an equality with Scripture, or by others adduced in support of it, are all the corruption and perversion of primitive truths, distorted in proportion as their origin was forgotten, and their memories faded away.

Source
Appendixes to The Companion Bible
Dr. E.W. Bullinger
Appendixes to The Companion Bible

 

[seventysevens]

This is what the Apostle Paul tells us

Corinthians 15: (45-49)

45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. 46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. 47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. 48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. 49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

not what this man has stated.

Unfortunate that you do not understand what the scripture truly teaches
Paul is indeed speaking of how the mortal earthly man must come first then
The spiritual man will come second
The reason Jesus became a human man was purposefully to take upon himself the sins of all mankind to offer the path to redemption
If man began as a heavenly being he would not need a savoir to die for him as man being created first as a heavenly being was never part of Gods plan- notice that when Jesus returns and has given the saints their gloried incorruptible bodies there will still be mortal men for the next 1000 years

Like I said to you already - you have made assumptions with merely your opinions but they are not factual and do not line up with Gods plan
Perhaps joining the mormon church is more fitting to your understanding

 

[Riberra]

---->Major 1

What is written in Genesis was revealed to Moses by God .... it was written by Moses in the Hebrew language...

Errors of translation can change the meaning of a whole phrase ...

The first translation error begin right in Genesis 1:2 ...when the Hebrew word meaning BECAME was translated in English as meaning WAS
Genesis
1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
2 And the earth WAS waste and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep: and the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters

Here the text when using the correct Hebrew definition
Genesis
2 And the earth BECAME waste and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep: and the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters

-In the English version the text read as if God have created the Earth a waste and a ruin [tohu bohu].

-While the Hebrew text say that the Earth BECAME A WASTE AND A RUIN [tohu bohu]

---->The Earth was Created perfect in Genesis 1:1

Now if you want some practical exercises ...
The World That Then Was, The First Earth Age | World Events and the Bible

Another interesting example is
'Adam, without the article, denotes man or mankind in general (Gen. 1:26; 2:5; 5:1), followed by plural pronoun). With the article, it denotes the man, Adam Gen. 2:7 (twice), 8, 15, 16, 19 (marg.), 22 (twice); 3:12, 22, 24; 5:1; 6:1 (rendered "men"), 2, 3, 4. After this, the Hebrew 'Adam = man or men, is used of the descendants of Adam. Hence, Christ is called "the son of Adam", not a son of Enosh.
More details :
The Synonymous Words Used for Man. - Appendix to the Companion Bible[/USER]

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

This is what the Apostle Paul tells us

Corinthians 15: (45-49)

45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. 46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. 47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. 48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. 49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

not what this man has stated.

Apostle Paul is not pointing to another Lord from Heaven which you are doing.You deny that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. See what 1 John calls those who do this.

 

[Riberra]

--- ,,,

 

[jhwatts]

Unfortunate that you do not understand what the scripture truly teaches

Paul is indeed speaking of how the mortal earthly man must come first then

The spiritual man will come second

The reason Jesus became a human man was purposefully to take upon himself the sins of all mankind to offer the path to redemption

If man began as a heavenly being he would not need a savoir to die for him as man being created first as a heavenly being was never part of Gods plan- notice that when Jesus returns and has given the saints their gloried incorruptible bodies there will still be mortal men for the next 1000 years

Like I said to you already - you have made assumptions with merely your opinions but they are not factual and do not line up with Gods plan

Perhaps joining the mormon church is more fitting to your understanding

How do you know what the scripture truly teaches?

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

How do you know what the scripture truly teaches?

Scripture clearly teaches that the man, Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth is Lord from Heaven and not some other.

 

[seventysevens]

How do you know what the scripture truly teaches?

You obviously do not as you reject the truth
The idea that mankind was created from the heavenly form in Genesis is obviously false -
IF that happened Jesus would of talked about it -there would be a lot more info on the topic and there is none but that which you imagine

 

[jhwatts]

You obviously do not as you reject the truth
The idea that mankind was created from the heavenly form in Genesis is obviously false -
IF that happened Jesus would of talked about it -there would be a lot more info on the topic and there is none but that which you imagine

See the last verse in Luke 3 Adam was of heaven and was the son of God.

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

See the last verse in Luke 3 Adam was of heaven and was the son of God.

But Adam sinned and he lost this distinction as son of God. That is why Seth was begotten after the image of , and likeness of sinful Adam/man.

 

[jhwatts]

The first Adam fell and second did not.

But Adam sinned and he lost this distinction as son of God. That is why Seth was begotten after the image of , and likeness of sinful Adam/man.

 

[seventysevens]

See the last verse in Luke 3 Adam was of heaven and was the son of God.

Adam was Created by God , Adam is the First Adam and did not have an earthly human father -
God created him from the dust of the earth and breathed the breath of life into his nostrils which caused him to be a living breathing human being
This is why he is called son of God - he had no other father

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

The first Adam fell and second did not.

Are you calling the second man Jesus Christ of Nazareth?