The Bible & Science on a Spherical Earth (Flat Earth Refuted)

[JacksBratt]

Look. You can contact many people in these hemispheres by Skype (not telling them your intentions of whether you believe in a round or flat Earth), and ask them to capture video footage for you (with them in it) that shows the constellations over a lengthy period of time for you to see the stars to rotate if you speed up the footage. I guarantee that they would have no agenda. Especially if you were to ask a bunch of them to do so on your behalf. You can currently see videos on YouTube for this and save yourself the trouble; But that false Flat Earther conspiracy theory mindset might kick to make you doubt regular people (Who do not even think about these kinds of discussions). If this is the case, then talk to a bunch of people by face chat in the Northern and Southern Hemispheres and ask them to record footage for you after you get to befriend them.



Because one vantage point is on top of the ball and one vantage point is underneath the ball. Take two stuffed animals and bend their heads back with tape, two cameras (or smart phones) and tape them to two opposite ends of each other on a beach ball. Now spin the beach ball and record the cameras and let the little stuffed animals have a nice ride. Look at the footage from both cameras or smart phones and you will see the rotation of spin is the opposite of the other. The stuffed animal on top of the beach ball will see the spin differently than the stuffed animal on the bottom of the beach ball as it spins.

There is actually a more simpler way to check this without using this method if you like. I just did it while I was on bathroom break. Try spinning while you stand (either on ice or with your own two feet on the ground).

Take one of your hands and point to the direction of where you are going to spin while you are on your two feet.

Look up at the ceiling (as you spin).

and visualize an imaginary clock on the ceiling above you as you spin.

Keep your hand pointing in the direction of the spin as you do this. Do you notice the imaginary clock spinning clock wise or counter clock wise?

Make a mental note to yourself if you see that the direction of your spin matches the hands of an analog clock going forward or backwards.

Now, look down:

Keep your hand in the same direction pointing (where you kept the same spin of direction from before):

Now star spinning on your two feet again or spin while you ice skate:

Important Note: Please keep your hand towards the same direction you pointed from the previous spin.

Now, imagine an imaginary analog clock at your feet as you spin.

Does the hands of the clock move clock wise or counter clock wise as you spin in the same direction as when you looked up at the ceiling?

If you did the experiment correctly, you will notice that the hands of the imaginary clock in your mind on the ceiling would be different than when you looked down at your imaginary analog clock on the ground.

This is the same reason why stars spin in different directions when looking at them in the Northern hemisphere vs. the Southern hemisphere.

I hope this helps, and may God bless you.

It does not matter where you are on this globe or FE... if you stand, face North, the stars must move from East to West. If you stand, face south, the stars will move east to west. This is because every single piece of ground on this earth moves from west to east as we spin.

You are confusing "looking up" with "looking south" or "looking north"

Just because you are on the "bottom" of the globe... looking North is still looking north. The stars will still move the same way across the sky as the sun and moon.

Or, does the sun rise in the west down under?

It took me a while to run this through my brain. What you said made sense until I realized that you can look "up" with your left shoulder to the west, or you can look "up" with your right shoulder to the west.

One will have you facing North, the other will have you facing south. Either way... the stars, on a spinning globe must always appear to move from east to west.


Good brain teaser though.

 

[JacksBratt]

Oh my. Really? These are just clouds getting in the way of the light rays that come from our sun in space. The CLOUDS is what refracts the light in different directions. Think crystals or gemstones. They can hold light, too and shine it out. That is what these clouds are doing.

In fact, even Flat Earthers have sent up weather balloons into space and can see a light upon the Earth (Which is from above). So there is no sun inside the clouds (if that is what you believe).

Oh really? The clouds are now gem stones? Now I've heard every excuse possible to explain away a simple observable fact....

Here, test it for yourself... when one of those "cloud/gemstone/ crystal clouds does this... wait for the beam of sunshine to come over you and look up... yep... that's the sun... it's bright huh?

In fact.. sometimes, with my magic eyes, I can see up into these floating crystal gemstone clouds and look into holes in them. Guess what I see...... clear blue sky..... remember? The sky is blue and rain is wet...

Take a pie plate. Punch holes in it...

Hold a flashlight about eight feet above it and see how the light goes through the holes.... parallel and straight through the holes

Now, hold the flashlight 2 or three inches above the pie plate.... Notice how the light goes straight down through the center holes yet splays away through the holes on the edge?

Now you have made a pie plate into a magic gemstone crystal plate.

 

[JacksBratt]

Please do not take this the wrong way, but I honestly do not think you were observing things correctly.

Well, of course not.. how could this possibly be right...

Maybe I wasn't holding my tongue correctly or tilting my head to the right angle. Then again, the fact that I can watch boats drive under the bridge that is 4 miles away.... these should be concealed by 10 feet of curve. At night I can watch the cars drive across the causeway that is five feet above the water...

But that is my opinion. You would have to show proof that your observations match up with real Science.

Real science? What do you mean "real Science". The fact that I grew up there and this was possible any day that it was possible by atmospheric conditions, to see that far, isn't good enough..

I am not the one that needs proof... Like I said.. it was an everyday occurrence that made no difference to me until the FE people brought it to my attention and guess what.. there is no way that the earth curves on that lake to a distance of 10 feet of drop. Not a chance.

Record it with your smart phone your observations. Upload the footage to YouTube and then make animated Gif images from your youtube video of the key points of your study that shows the proof (So we can both easily see it on the forums quickly and discuss it here). For people (Especially myself) are not going to sit through and watch long videos if they think it is un-Science.

I don't live there anymore. Next time I'm out there I'll see if I can remember... I mean, it's not like there are examples of this all over the internet.

Actually, in my opinion, the fact that we all see one side of the moon on the Earth is proof that the Earth is not flat. If the moon rotated just above us on the Earth on a flat disk in a circle pattern (according to FE's), then different parts of the world would be able to see the different sides of the moon. But this is not what we observe. Hence, why the Flat Earth moon theories from Flat Earth theorists is just more un-Science.

Sorry but, right now, with the last few examples of "your opinion" I'm somehow not satisfied that you are a good source.


In a bit, I will put together a few pictures and explanations as to why the moon, very well might not even reflect the suns rays.. It may be it's own source of light and I have the explanations that will make you think about it.

 

[JacksBratt]

That is just not true. Please watch the 4 part video series. You have been seriously misinformed and are looking to find conspiracies where there are none.

What's not true? That they have been calculating lunar and solar eclipses for thousands of years?

Check out: Archive of NASA IMAGE Space Science Questions and Answers

Even you should believe this link...... it's from NASA.

Ancient observations of solar eclipses have a long history among many different cultures and civilizations which stretches back to at least 2500 BC in the writings that have survived from ancient China and Babylon.

Ancient Chinese astrologers, by 2300 BC, already had sophisticated observatory buildings and as early as 2650 BC, Li Shu was writing about astronomy. Observing total solar eclipses was a major element of forecasting the future health and successes of the Emperor, and astrologers were left with the onerous task of trying to anticipate when these events might occur. Failure to get the prediction right, in at least one recorded instance in 2300 BC resulted in the beheading of two astrologers.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

It does not matter where you are on this globe or FE... if you stand, face North, the stars must move from East to West. If you stand, face south, the stars will move east to west. This is because every single piece of ground on this earth moves from west to east as we spin.

You are confusing "looking up" with "looking south" or "looking north"

Just because you are on the "bottom" of the globe... looking North is still looking north. The stars will still move the same way across the sky as the sun and moon.

Or, does the sun rise in the west down under?

It took me a while to run this through my brain. What you said made sense until I realized that you can look "up" with your left shoulder to the west, or you can look "up" with your right shoulder to the west.

One will have you facing North, the other will have you facing south. Either way... the stars, on a spinning globe must always appear to move from east to west.


Good brain teaser though.

No. You do not understand basic Science and how it truly works. You got everything twisted around in regards to reality. You are confused about the fictional Flat Earth model vs. the real spherical Earth we live on.

North in reality is up.
On a map when you look at it, North would be upwards on the map.
The same is true on our planet. If you go North on our planet, you would be going to the top of the globe and not the bottom. The bottom of our planet or globe is South.
South is down or downwards.
South can be seen as going down on a map and it is going down in reality on our globe (positionally).
The Earth spins on a magnetic pole from West to East (counter clockwise). The North pole (or point) being North and the South pole (or point) being South. West and East is the direction of left or right in relation of North and South. West is always on your left in relation to North and South. When Scripture says, "As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us." (Psalms 103:12), it is saying that there are no points on East or West like the North and South poles. One is forever forgiven without end.

On a Flat Earth, there is no true North. Magnetic North according to FE's is the center of a pizza with a flash light making circles in the center of it. The Magnetic South is the crust of the pizza or the ice wall (Which nobody has seen and or documented). Of course, we do not observe anything like this in the real world. Nobody has reached the outer edges of the pizza crust or ice wall that is supposed to be a drop off of the Earth. We do not see ships or buildings not drop below the horizon line. We do not see the stars spinning at the North and South in the same way. Antarctica does not just have regular day and light cycles alone. There are times it can have 24 hours of daylight. This is contrary to a Flat Earth. We do not see all sides of the moon like we should on a Flat Earth.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Oh really? The clouds are now gem stones?

Come on now. I did not say clouds were actually gemstones literally. I said the clouds act LIKE crystals in regards to light. Crystals and clouds are NOT the same thing. They merely behave in a similar way in regards to light by the fact that they can hold light within them and redirect that light from an outside source.

Now I've heard every excuse possible to explain away a simple observable fact....

Here, test it for yourself... when one of those "cloud/gemstone/ crystal clouds does this... wait for the beam of sunshine to come over you and look up... yep... that's the sun... it's bright huh?

Do you believe the sun can be inside the clouds? Please answer this for me. It would be totally ridiculous if you believed that. I work for the airlines and have flown in planes many times and seen the sun far above in the sky nowhere near the clouds. You are merely seeing light from the sun in outer space peak through the clouds when they open up.

In fact.. sometimes, with my magic eyes, I can see up into these floating crystal gemstone clouds and look into holes in them. Guess what I see...... clear blue sky..... remember? The sky is blue and rain is wet...

Take a pie plate. Punch holes in it...

Hold a flashlight about eight feet above it and see how the light goes through the holes.... parallel and straight through the holes

Now, hold the flashlight 2 or three inches above the pie plate.... Notice how the light goes straight down through the center holes yet splays away through the holes on the edge?

Now you have made a pie plate into a magic gemstone crystal plate.

This is just non-sense. Nowhere did I say that clouds are actually crystals. That is you misunderstanding reality again.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

What's not true? That they have been calculating lunar and solar eclipses for thousands of years?

Check out: Archive of NASA IMAGE Space Science Questions and Answers

Even you should believe this link...... it's from NASA.

Ancient observations of solar eclipses have a long history among many different cultures and civilizations which stretches back to at least 2500 BC in the writings that have survived from ancient China and Babylon.

Ancient Chinese astrologers, by 2300 BC, already had sophisticated observatory buildings and as early as 2650 BC, Li Shu was writing about astronomy. Observing total solar eclipses was a major element of forecasting the future health and successes of the Emperor, and astrologers were left with the onerous task of trying to anticipate when these events might occur. Failure to get the prediction right, in at least one recorded instance in 2300 BC resulted in the beheading of two astrologers.

But no astronomer has made any accurate prediction using a Flat Earth model. That's the point. They use real Science to make real predictions.

 

[BradB]

If you believe in the popular Flat Earth model (with the sun moving like this):

Then this is what it would look like from the ground:

But that is not what we see.

Also, you should be aware that if you are still pushing or supporting a flat Earth belief (even after me showing you the truth), you are creating an unnecessary offense that can turn people away from hearing the truth of God's Word.



I don't believe in Macro-Evolution or an Old Earth. The Flat Earth belief is easily refuted by basic Science tests that even a child can figure out. I believe it is psychological why people believe in something that deals with unreality. Maybe life was hard on them in some way or the government had hurt or disapponted them somehow, so seeking something that is fictional gives them comfort or makes them feel special or better. But we should not allow our emotions to guide our critical thinking when it comes to observable Science and or the truth of God's Word.

Very well stated. God bless you my friend. Love the graphic illustrations. That was perfect.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Well, of course not.. how could this possibly be right...

Maybe I wasn't holding my tongue correctly or tilting my head to the right angle. Then again, the fact that I can watch boats drive under the bridge that is 4 miles away.... these should be concealed by 10 feet of curve. At night I can watch the cars drive across the causeway that is five feet above the water...

Here is a real test for you. Take a stuffed animal and put it 4 miles or more away on land separated by water. Meaning, you need to look at a shoreline with many miles separating you by water. Then try and see if you can see the stuffed animal by sitting down with a high powered telescope. If you do that, I guarantee you that you will not see your stuffed animal on the other side.

Note: You cannot be standing up and you should not do this on a super wavy day. The water should be calm.

Real science? What do you mean "real Science". The fact that I grew up there and this was possible any day that it was possible by atmospheric conditions, to see that far, isn't good enough..

You are cheating the experiment in some way without you realizing it. Do the test above that I suggest.

I am not the one that needs proof...

You must have me confused with another person. I don't need proof that the Earth is round. I already knew it was round by what little observational evidences I had before. But after FE's started to push their un-Science here at CF, I have decided to step up and find more proofs that refute them. I was never in question of the Earth being round and the Flat Earth theory in being false.

Like I said.. it was an everyday occurrence that made no difference to me until the FE people brought it to my attention and guess what.. there is no way that the earth curves on that lake to a distance of 10 feet of drop. Not a chance.

FE's like to give people false calculations. So they lie and or they are serious misinformed in regards to the truth about our planet. Like I said. Do the test with the stuffed animal and then get back to me. If you can't be bothered, then that means you are simply seeing what you want to see.

In a bit, I will put together a few pictures and explanations as to why the moon, very well might not even reflect the suns rays.. It may be it's own source of light and I have the explanations that will make you think about it.

You really have not watched the moon all that much have you. The moon does not put off it's own light. It is reflecting the light coming from the sun. Come on now.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Very well stated. God bless you my friend. Love the graphic illustrations. That was perfect.

Thank you, brother.
It was my pleasure.
I am trying to update my other thread with an ongoing list of Scientific and Scriptural points that refute a flat Earth.
I really liked your West to East point you brought up with Scripture before. I hope you don't mind, but I used this as one of my Biblical points for refuting a Flat Earth. If you are interested, you can see my post here on that (of which I give you credit for).

Anyways, thank you for the kind words, brother.

May God bless you greatly this fine evening.

 

[JacksBratt]

No. You do not understand basic Science and how it truly works. You got everything twisted around in regards to reality. You are confused about the fictional Flat Earth model vs. the real spherical Earth we live on.

OK?

North in reality is up.

Ah.........nope... North is North... Up is up..... South is south and down is, well, down..

On a map when you look at it, North would be upwards on the map.

Agreed.

The same is true on our planet.

Not really... a map is a flat, two dimensional representation of our world. North is one direction.. Up would be 90 degrees to the paper the map is on.

If you go North on our planet, you would be going to the top of the globe and not the bottom.

Very true.

The bottom of our planet or globe is South.

True, again.

South is down or downwards.

No, south is south.. it is just the opposite of North. Down is dirt...always, sooner or later, dirt. Up is sky, always... and it's blue.

South can be seen as going down on a map and it is going down in reality on our globe (positionally).

Down if the globe is on a table and North is at the top of the Globe... then.......yes.

The Earth spins on a magnetic pole from West to East (counter clockwise).

Actually, the earth spins on an axis that runs through the north and south geographic poles.

The North pole (or point) being North and the South pole (or point) being South.

Gotcha.

West and East is the direction of left or right in relation of North and South. West is always on your left in relation to North and South. When Scripture says, "As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us." (Psalms 103:12), it is saying that there are no points on East or West like the North and South poles. One is forever forgiven without end.

Absolutely.

On a Flat Earth, there is no true North.

Well, I haven't actually looked into this but there would still be geographic and magnetic North's. Which are a bit different.

Magnetic North according to FE's is the center of a pizza with a flash light making circles in the center of it.

Yes, and the moon too.

The Magnetic South is the crust of the pizza or the ice wall (Which nobody has seen and or documented).

On the FE model there is no "magnetic South". South is just any direction opposite of North. Same is true on the Globe. The needle on the compass points to magnetic North pole and the other end.... well it just points the opposite of North and being a straight needle pointer, it points South... but no magnetic south pole. From What I understand.

Of course, we do not observe anything like this in the real world. Nobody has reached the outer edges of the pizza crust or ice wall that is supposed to be a drop off of the Earth.

Your Honor... I call speculation... due to Admiral Byrd may have been far enough for planes to crash into the firmament. Sustained. But Admiral Byrd's planes crashing is also speculation... Point tossed out.

We do not see ships or buildings not drop below the horizon line.

I showed you many pictures and videos of ships sailing well beyond the point where they should be visible due to the curve of the earth.. yet... there they were.... Zoom back in and the ships disappear.

You asked for a ship that was not on the horizon.... Jason... they will always be on the horizon... they never go over it... even when they are beyond where they should have long gone over the hump... Zoom in and you can see them.. .the further they get the smaller they get.. they don't become concealed by the hump or curve.

We do not see the stars spinning at the North and South in the same way.

They have to. You are looking up to the North (remember, North is up) or down to the south ( remember south is down).

It matters not, if you are in Alaska or Sydney.... Look up while your back is to the south and the stars will move from right to left... Look up with your back to the north and the stars will move from left to right.. The earth spins one direction, the stars will be viewed going the opposite direction..

Does the sun come up in the East or West in Australia? Do the stars not follow this same direction?

Antarctica does not just have regular day and light cycles alone. There are times it can have 24 hours of daylight. This is contrary to a Flat Earth. We do not see all sides of the moon like we should on a Flat Earth.

Well, if you can show me a continuous 24 hour video of the midnight sun on the continent of Antarctica... I know thousands of people who would like to see it...they have been looking.. to no avail

Till now... they are always edited or show unusual events that render them void... do post it if you find one.

 

[JacksBratt]

Come on now. I did not say clouds were actually gemstones literally. I said the clouds act LIKE crystals in regards to light. Crystals and clouds are NOT the same thing. They merely behave in a similar way in regards to light by the fact that they can hold light within them and redirect that light from an outside source.

I apologize.

However, I have seen clouds diffuse light, but never in a beam in a different direction. This only happens when the sun passes through a hole in the cloud.

Do you believe the sun can be inside the clouds? Please answer this for me.

No, it's too far away.

It would be totally ridiculous if you believed that.

Phewf..... glad I'm not totally ridiculous.

I work for the airlines and have flown in planes many times and seen the sun far above in the sky nowhere near the clouds. You are merely seeing light from the sun in outer space peak through the clouds when they open up.

Hmm, the sun goes into the clouds and then is split up to come out as beams of solid sunlight?

Never heard of this before.

This is just non-sense. Nowhere did I say that clouds are actually crystals. That is you misunderstanding reality again.

I did apologize.

 

[JacksBratt]

But no astronomer has made any accurate prediction using a Flat Earth model. That's the point. They use real Science to make real predictions.

So, what model did they use in 2500 BC? I don't think it matters to them what the shape of the earth was... they must have used "real Science" to do it correctly and they did it before the concept of a globe earth was even hatched.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

OK?Ah.........nope... North is North... Up is up..... South is south and down is, well, down..
Agreed.
Not really... a map is a flat, two dimensional representation of our world. North is one direction.. Up would be 90 degrees to the paper the map is on.
Very true.
True, again.
No, south is south.. it is just the opposite of North. Down is dirt...always, sooner or later, dirt. Up is sky, always... and it's blue.
Down if the globe is on a table and North is at the top of the Globe... then.......yes.
Actually, the earth spins on an axis that runs through the north and south geographic poles.

There are passages I found that talk about North, South, East, and West. These passages can only make sense in light of a spherical Earth.

See my: post #1, post #13, and post #14 within my other Anti-Flat Earth thread to learn more.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

So, what model did they use in 2500 BC? I don't think it matters to them what the shape of the earth was... they must have used "real Science" to do it correctly and they did it before the concept of a globe earth was even hatched.

It does matter what the shape of the Earth is to determine the path the moon would take in regards to a solar or lunar eclipse. There is math involved. But that is just one of many examples. Please see the 4 videos I posted before.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

I apologize.

However, I have seen clouds diffuse light, but never in a beam in a different direction. This only happens when the sun passes through a hole in the cloud.






No, it's too far away.


Phewf..... glad I'm not totally ridiculous.



Hmm, the sun goes into the clouds and then is split up to come out as beams of solid sunlight?

Never heard of this before.





I did apologize.

I am glad you do not believe the sun hovers inside the clouds as some FE's claim. That is how silly some of them are in their theories. Anyways, I do not see your problem of the sun coming down in rays from out of the clouds. If light shines down on top of them from the sun in outer space there is no contradiction or problem taking place here.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Your Honor... I call speculation... due to Admiral Byrd may have been far enough for planes to crash into the firmament. Sustained. But Admiral Byrd's planes crashing is also speculation... Point tossed out.

Thank you for proving a spherical Earth.

I showed you many pictures and videos of ships sailing well beyond the point where they should be visible due to the curve of the earth.. yet... there they were.... Zoom back in and the ships disappear.

You asked for a ship that was not on the horizon.... Jason... they will always be on the horizon... they never go over it... even when they are beyond where they should have long gone over the hump... Zoom in and you can see them.. .the further they get the smaller they get.. they don't become concealed by the hump or curve.

Again, I am not going to watch un-Science videos in their entirety. Please show me with gif animated images the key points where you see what appears to be half of the ships or buildings covered by the horizon line with them then magically re-appearing into view by you or another person simply zooming in on them with a telescope, or something. So far I have not seen any evidence of such. Please post a gif animated image from your favorite YouTube videos that show this fact.

Here is the website you can make gif animated pictures out of your YouTube videos.

gifs.com | Animated Gif Maker and Gif Editor

It matters not, if you are in Alaska or Sydney.... Look up while your back is to the south and the stars will move from right to left... Look up with your back to the north and the stars will move from left to right.. The earth spins one direction, the stars will be viewed going the opposite direction..

Well, if you can show me a continuous 24 hour video of the midnight sun on the continent of Antarctica... I know thousands of people who would like to see it...they have been looking.. to no avail

Till now... they are always edited or show unusual events that render them void... do post it if you find one.

Listen to this Flat Earther try to explain the 24 hour sunlight in Antarctica. He is waaaay out there and sounds crazy. He suggests there are two suns and stuff. Crazy.

 

[JacksBratt]

There are passages I found that talk about North, South, East, and West. These passages can only make sense in light of a spherical Earth.

See my: post #1, post #13, and post #14 within my other Anti-Flat Earth thread to learn more.

Ok, so I checked out your three posts that you suggested are passages that prove a globe.

Post #1. If the FE model did not accommodate sunrise and sunset... do you think that even the most tinfoil of tinfoil hat wearing FE'ers would believe it?

My question to you is "Why does the bible talk about the sun moving and not the earth?"

Post #13 In both FE and globe models... you can go east forever and never stop going east. You can also go west forever and never stop going west. You can only go so far in either South or Northern directions.

Post #14 For some reason, I'm sure if you searched you could find it, on all maps drawn on paper or a cave wall or whatever.... North is always the top of the page... Nothing new here.

 

[JacksBratt]

It does matter what the shape of the Earth is to determine the path the moon would take in regards to a solar or lunar eclipse. There is math involved. But that is just one of many examples. Please see the 4 videos I posted before.

I stand by what I posted. This all originated from this:

JacksBratt said: ↑

How would you know?

They have been predicting eclipses, both solar and lunar, for thousands of years. It has nothing to do with the FE or globe.

Jason0047 said:
That is just not true. Please watch the 4 part video series. You have been seriously misinformed and are looking to find conspiracies where there are none.

I hope you don't mind being quoted in green. St Paddy's day is coming...

Now, it seems, we both agree on this.. it matters not what shape the earth is when calculating eclipses... and.. the did real math and real science thousands of years ago.

 

[JacksBratt]

I am glad you do not believe the sun hovers inside the clouds as some FE's claim. That is how silly some of them are in their theories. Anyways, I do not see your problem of the sun coming down in rays from out of the clouds. If light shines down on top of them from the sun in outer space there is no contradiction or problem taking place here.

Well, obviously, clouds are water vapor. Different densities and temperatures of water droplets and vapor.

However, I do not know of any phenomenon of a cloud that can reflect a ray of sun at it's original intensity at an angle different than what it enters the cloud. In order for this to happen the light would have to enter a medium of significant density and clarity. Otherwise it would be diffused in all directions as the light passed through the millions of water droplets.

I don't know if this is just what you think or what you were taught.. however, the light shining in through the clouds at this intensity and brightness is doing nothing else but passing directly through holes and spaces in the clouds.

It is one of the things that I know for a fact proves that we are not taught all the facts of this universe.