Did humans descend from Apes?

[Larniavc]

Only if there is evidence of human manufacture. Otherwise it is impossible to tell.

Not so, a simple voight-kampff would do the trick.

 

[Brightmoon]

It’s not possible to detect deliberate design by a deity in natural phenomena. This is why I reject ID . And essentially it’s why mainstream science rejects it. Insert magic juju here, isn’t science. It’s nonsense. It doesn’t matter what you call the magic juju either . Some people call the inserted magic juju, God. So what. Believing that God created everything is fine. Having verifiable physical evidence of that is another thing entirely. As LaPlace is supposed to have stated ,” I have no need of that hypothesis.” Of course he said it in French to Napoleon.
Pseudoscience does look like science if you don’t understand science. And ID proponents do confuse people by using pseudoscientific or meaningless terminology like “ specified complexity “

 

[xianghua]

It’s not possible to detect deliberate design by a deity in natural phenomena. This is why I reject ID . And essentially it’s why mainstream science rejects it. Insert magic juju here, isn’t science. It’s nonsense. It doesn’t matter what you call the magic juju either . Some people call the inserted magic juju, God. So what. Believing that God created everything is fine. Having verifiable physical evidence of that is another thing entirely. As LaPlace is supposed to have stated ,” I have no need of that hypothesis.” Of course he said it in French to Napoleon.
Pseudoscience does look like science if you don’t understand science. And ID proponents do confuse people by using pseudoscientific or meaningless terminology like “ specified complexity “

ok but again: if you will find a robot that made of organic components like a living thing, will you conclude design or natural process for such a robot? also consider the fact that we find motors in nature like this one:

and we know that a motor is evidence for design. image from VCAC: Cellular Processes: Electron Transport Chain: Advanced Look: ATP Synthase

 

[Aman777]

It can and it would take you only a few minutes to look it up and learn something if you are truly interested.

I'm truly interested since God's Truth MUST agree with every other discovered Truth or we must continue to search for God's Truth.

Who says nature is mindless?

Where do you suppose it stores its great knowledge since Humans must continue to TEACH our children what we know? Finding where nature stores its knowledge leads us to Jesus. Col 1:15

magically? you don't know much about the theory of evolution do you?

I know it would have to be Magic in order to produce God's superior intelligence which only Adam and God have, Gen 3:22 in Apes. Scientifically, it's in error and falsely supposes that creatures made from water are just as smart as Humans (descendants of Adam, the common ancestor of ALL Humans) They don't seem to know that Humans are destined to rule the world. Gen 1:28

Speaking of magic...

Eve was mindless?

You are confused. Eve was made like Adam, who was made like Jesus, with a Shekinah Glory which is brighter than the Sun and an intelligence like God's. You don't seem to know that Humans are destined to regain our Image like Jesus at the Rapture? 1Jo 3:2 Eve and every other Human came from Adam. We all inherited Adam's superior intelligence which is superior to ANY other living creature except Jesus. Humans are God's children and we are not Apes. Amen?

 

[VirOptimus]

actually there is. let me ask you this: if god created human. you will still conclude human is an ape?

I dont belive in god(s).

Humans are apes regardless of what you belive. Look it up, I even posted the wikipedia entry.

 

[Brightmoon]

I do believe in God and humans are still apes . Humans being apes is a fact. God’s creation , nature , doesn’t lie

 

[Brightmoon]

as far as the flagella motor . It’s has evolved from simpler or different components that were cobbled together. That happens when organisms evolve. For example and on a different scale, your stapes bone in your inner ear was at one time part of the jawbone in your synapsid ancestor. Yes, we have all of the fossils and it was a slow gradual change.

 

[pitabread]

also consider the fact that we find motors in nature like this one:

and we know that a motor is evidence for design.

Still making arguments based on the false equivalence fallacy I see. You just don't learn...

 

[USincognito]

I’ve got a biology degree . Humans ARE apes . All of the great apes are family Hominidae. Once they sequenced the human genome in the late 90s the next one was the chimps. There had been an argument from the late 60s on, about changing the great ape and human family names to a single one . The two sequenced genomes were the defining moment . So yes humans are great apes not only because we said so but because our genes say so. Anatomically chimps and gorillas have more similar bodies (because of a similar lifestyle) but genetically humans and chimps are more closely related. The former family name, Pongidae, for the great apes is retired and no longer used.

You're in luck. We have an author from the Chimpanzee Genome Paper who is a member here. I'll let you figure out who on your own

(and no one tell him!)

 

[Speedwell]

ok but again: if you will find a robot that made of organic components like a living thing, will you conclude design or natural process for such a robot? also consider the fact that we find motors in nature like this one:

and we know that a motor is evidence for design. image from VCAC: Cellular Processes: Electron Transport Chain: Advanced Look: ATP Synthase

A motor is not evidence of design. A motor which is manufactured by humans is evidence of design.

 

[SilverBear]

I'm truly interested since God's Truth MUST agree with every other discovered Truth or we must continue to search for God's Truth.

Truth is truth and it doesn't require your approval

Where do you suppose it stores its great knowledge since Humans must continue to TEACH our children what we know? Finding where nature stores its knowledge leads us to Jesus. Col 1:15

Any species that raises it's offspring teaches that offspring

I know it would have to be Magic in order to produce God's superior intelligence which only Adam and God have, Gen 3:22 in Apes. Scientifically, it's in error and falsely supposes that creatures made from water are just as smart as Humans (descendants of Adam, the common ancestor of ALL Humans) They don't seem to know that Humans are destined to rule the world. Gen 1:28

Water? What?

 

[SilverBear]

i already did it and get a different conclusion.

Was it by any chance the conclusion you wanted to get?

 

[SilverBear]

actually the scientific consensus were wrong many time in the past. how do you know evolution is different?

preponderance of the evidence.

 

[juvenissun]

Wrong. The first definitions were made by Linnaeus, who classified humans alongside the apes within the primates. This happened more than a century before Darwin published on evolution.

"Linnaeus’ classification was important in many ways, not the least of which was how he classified humans. He named humans Homo sapiens, and placed us in the genus Homo. He also placed orangutans and chimpanzees, the two apes known at the time, in the genus Homo. And he placed Homo in a family, which he dubbed Primates. Primates also included two other genera, simians and lemurs. Although Linnaeus believed that humans were special beings in God’s creation, he slotted our species into his system as if it were any other."

He classified. You, a Darwinist, are fooled.
Obviously, his classification is wrong.

 

[Aman777]

So who did Noah's grandsons marry?

They married the descendants of the sons of God (prehistoric people) who descended from WATER on the 5th Day, Gen 1:21 which was Billions of years ago, in man's time. Each of God's Days/Ages is billions of years in length, in man's time.

Would they not have married their first cousins, and also be descended from Adam and Eve?

You mean Cain's descendants who married and produced Enoch with a prehistoric woman and a descendant of the sons of God? Gen 6:4 The sons of God (prehistoric people are THEIR kinds). Humans are HIS kinds. Gen 2:7 Noah's grandsons, on the present Earth ALSO had NO other Humans to marry. Cush married a prehistoric woman and produced Nimrod, the builder of the FIRST human cities on this Earth. Gen 10:8

If so what do you mean by "one génération"?

Cush was Noah's grandson and had no other Human (descendant of Adam) to marry so he married one of the one million prehistoric people alive when the Ark arrived 11,000 years ago. Today's Humans are a combination of Adam's superior intelligence AND have the DNA of people who were here for millions of years before the Ark arrived. Nimrod is the FIRST hybrid Human on the Earth. Gen 10:8

It seems like the generation to bring intelligence to the human race would have been Adam and Eve's, unless there were some sort of subhuman women who somehow survived the Flood but were not intelligent.

Amen. Humans are HIS kind and prehistoric people are THEIR kind. Adam's entire world/firmament was totaly destroyed in the flood. ll Peter 3:6

And anyway, the mother is more important to the child's intelligence than the father.

Amen. I'm with you. Men are inferior intellectually when compared to the ladies. Amen?

 

[Aman777]

Do we really need another Aman thread?

Absolutely, since evols teach a half-truth. They changed God's Truth, descent with modification within kinds, to magical evolution or amoeba to Human fantasy.

 

[Aman777]

Not faith in creationism with evolution nor faith in creationism without evolution. Neither of those are a faith that can save you, or anyone. Instead, faith in Christ!

Amen. Where did you get your faith that a man rose from the dead?

 

[Aman777]

We did.

Next?

How and When?

 

[Aman777]

I’ve got a biology degree . Humans ARE apes . All of the great apes are family Hominidae. Once they sequenced the human genome in the late 90s the next one was the chimps. There had been an argument from the late 60s on, about changing the great ape and human family names to a single one . The two sequenced genomes were the defining moment . So yes humans are great apes not only because we said so but because our genes say so. Anatomically chimps and gorillas have more similar bodies (because of a similar lifestyle) but genetically humans and chimps are more closely related. The former family name, Pongidae, for the great apes is retired and no longer used.

False, ole misguided one. Science classifies Humans (descendants of Adam) as evolved Apes. It's because Noah's grandsons had NO other Humans to marry. They married and had children with the prehistoric people who were on Earth when the Ark arrived. Adam's world was totally destroyed ll Peter 3:6 and his firmament was brought here and sank in Lake Van, Turkey 11k years ago according to History.

 

[Aman777]

Could be both.

Amen. Human blood was contaminated with the blood of prehistoric mankind when Noah's grandsons married and produced children with the descendants of the sons of God (prehistoric people) after the Ark arrived. Gen 6:4 Humans did NOT evolve from Apes since we were made long before ANY other living creature. Gen 2:4-7