Why did Satan Murder Jesus, Knowing How angry this would make God?

[dreadnought]

Do you think that little of Jesus that anything could be done to him that he didn't want to be done? Jesus willingly sacrificed himself to atone for our sins! He was the ultimate blood sacrifice for you and I because he loves us that much. Why would you think God was angry? This was his plan!

I don't know who you are directing your remark at, but the reason Satan killed Jesus isn't necessarily the same as why Jesus allowed himself to be killied.

 

[SolomonVII]

I think Satan tried to save Christ from the cross actually.

Do you think that this might be Biblically supported by the temptations that Satan laid out for Jesus after 40 days and 40 nights in the desert?
Satan beckoned Jesus to a life of material pleasure, and power over kingdoms, and employing spiritual powers toward self-preservation.
These would all appear to be mighty tempting to a man, and the cross diametrically contradicts each temptation.

There is also the incident where Peter is called Satan by Jesus, and this recalls is about Peter recoiling from the idea that the cross could ever be a godly plan. Here, on the same kind of mountain that overlooked the kingdoms of the world in Satan's temptation, miraculous events spoke of Jesus as being a Messiah, the Jewish ruler of the world.
Satan's plan here again was not God's plan, not the cross by wordly power in the traditional sense, carried out with supernatural powers that Jesus has access to.

I would have a harder time seeing Jesus sweating blood in the garden would be as a result of Satan's temptation. Even as Jesus understands how strong the urge is to not drink from the cup that God has set out for him, what he is looking for is courage to choose the cross. The urge for self-preservation is not a Satanic temptation, I don't think.

 

[JacksBratt]

I think Satan tried to save Christ from the cross actually.

I believe that Satan, first, tried to corrupt the human line of DNA with the angel human hybrids. This nearly worked as Noah, his wife and their three sons were the only pure humans that remained, before God destroyed the corruption with the flood.

Satan, also, tried to end the line from King David to Jesus, which would contradict prophesies. This was through the cursed line of Jehoiakim and Jeconiah. However, God had it already figured out with the virgin birth through Mary, who also was in the line of David.

Another time that Satan tried to disrupt the prophesies of the Messiah was when Haman was going to end all the Jews. This nearly worked but, alas, he was hung on his own gallows.

Satan also tried to have Jesus stoned... which would break prophesy as Jesus was never to have any bones broken. This was why it was so prophetic when Christ was speared through the side to show that He was, in fact, dead, and His legs were not broken.

Satan tried to kill Him when He was scourged... Think about it.. He was beaten, lashed 50 times, carried His cross for most of the way to the cross.... If He had of died at any time before the words "it is finished", then prophesy would not be fulfilled. I really think that it was Christs undying love for each and every sinner, that kept Him alive until it was accomplished. He did not die of the wounds of the Romans. He died when He willingly gave up His spirit.

Satan knew he was against a wall and was knowledgeable enough to have Herod kill all the baby boys just after Christs birth and as far back as when Moses was miraculously saved from a killing of male babies during his time of birth as well.

Christ certainly came to die for us. God didn't do it. God knew that if Christ came down and told the truth to the corrupted high priests, that they would kill Jesus. Jesus also knew but did so of His own free will.

However, it was our sins.... my sins that nailed Him there. It was for my sins that He suffered and died. It was His will and desire to do this for me.

Hallelujah.

 

[ewq1938]

Do you think that this might be Biblically supported by the temptations that Satan laid out for Jesus after 40 days and 40 nights in the desert?
Satan beckoned Jesus to a life of material pleasure, and power over kingdoms, and employing spiritual powers toward self-preservation.

Absolutely. Even the King trying to Kill Christ as a child was an attempt to make the cross not happen.

There is also the incident where Peter is called Satan by Jesus, and this recalls is about Peter recoiling from the idea that the cross could ever be a godly plan.

Yep. I mentioned that one in a past post as well as when Peter used his sword to stop Christ from being arrested.

I would have a harder time seeing Jesus sweating blood in the garden would be as a result of Satan's temptation. Even as Jesus understands how strong the urge is to not drink from the cup that God has set out for him, what he is looking for is courage to choose the cross. The urge for self-preservation is not a Satanic temptation, I don't think.

I agree. Plus, Christ asked the Father if there was another way to accomplish the same result without the cross, but there wasn't and Christ accepted this.

 

[ewq1938]

I believe that Satan, first, tried to corrupt the human line of DNA with the angel human hybrids. This nearly worked as Noah, his wife and their three sons were the only pure humans that remained, before God destroyed the corruption with the flood.

Satan, also, tried to end the line from King David to Jesus, which would contradict prophesies. This was through the cursed line of Jehoiakim and Jeconiah. However, God had it already figured out with the virgin birth through Mary, who also was in the line of David.

Another time that Satan tried to disrupt the prophesies of the Messiah was when Haman was going to end all the Jews. This nearly worked but, alas, he was hung on his own gallows.

Satan also tried to have Jesus stoned... which would break prophesy as Jesus was never to have any bones broken. This was why it was so prophetic when Christ was speared through the side to show that He was, in fact, dead, and His legs were not broken.

Satan tried to kill Him when He was scourged... Think about it.. He was beaten, lashed 50 times, carried His cross for most of the way to the cross.... If He had of died at any time before the words "it is finished", then prophesy would not be fulfilled. I really think that it was Christs undying love for each and every sinner, that kept Him alive until it was accomplished. He did not die of the wounds of the Romans. He died when He willingly gave up His spirit.

Satan knew he was against a wall and was knowledgeable enough to have Herod kill all the baby boys just after Christs birth and as far back as when Moses was miraculously saved from a killing of male babies during his time of birth as well.

Christ certainly came to die for us. God didn't do it. God knew that if Christ came down and told the truth to the corrupted high priests, that they would kill Jesus. Jesus also knew but did so of His own free will.

However, it was our sins.... my sins that nailed Him there. It was for my sins that He suffered and died. It was His will and desire to do this for me.

Hallelujah.

I think these are great thoughts as well, thanks!

 

[MelG11]

I don't know who you are directing your remark at, but the reason Satan killed Jesus isn't necessarily the same as why Jesus allowed himself to be killied.

What in the Bible makes you think Satan killed Jesus. When Jesus was being crusified he said forgive them Father for they know not what they do. Wouldn’t that be a big indicator that it was man not Satan?

 

[Ron Gurley]

OP:Q: " Why did Satan "Murder" Jesus...?
A: False premise. He did not!

John 10NASB)
11 “I am the "Good Shepherd"; the good shepherd lays down His life for the "sheep".(BELIEVING CHILDREN)...
17 For this reason the Father loves Me, because I lay down My life so that I may take it again.
18 No one has taken it away from Me, but I lay it down on My own initiative. (voluntary sacrifice)
I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again.
This commandment I received from My Father.”...
27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me;
28 and I GIVE eternal (SPIRITUAL) life to them, and they will never perish;
and no one will snatch them out of My hand. (ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED)
29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand.(ETERNAL SECURITY OF SALVATION GIVEN)
30 I and the Father are one.” (IN SPIRITUAL ESSENCE AND NATURE)

1. GOD the FATHER did not kill/murder/sacrifice His beloved only begotten (not made) SON.

2. satan, a lessor fallen spirit, could not / did not kill/murder/sacrifice the Son of God, Son of Man.

Jesus the God-Man voluntarily shed Divine / Holy blood on an unjust Cross to reconcile Mankind to God...FOR all sins, FOR all Men, FOR all time...."substitutionary atonement"

" Substitutionary Atonement "...What is it ??

1 John 3:8b...The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil.

the devil's head was crushed (death blow) at the Cross. He is "dead" but "flails" awiting final sentencing.

Genesis 3 (NASB)
14 The Lord God said to the serpent,...
15
And I will put enmity
Between you and the woman,
And between your seed (evil spirits) and her "seed" (Jesus!);
He shall bruise you on the head,(death blow)
And you shall bruise him on the heel.”(bloody wound)

 

[iEye]

Why did Satan Murder Jesus, Knowing How angry this would make God?


The most enlightening answer that I have read on this question comes from the anthropologist Rene Girard. He answers the question in terms of the idea of scapegoating, and lays out the argument that since the time Cain formed cities, Satan has been at the centre of creating civilizations, a word whose entymology traces back to the idea of a city or city-state.
As people intermingle in close quarters, they develop admiration, and then envy for each other. It is the idea of coveting everything that is of 'thy neighbour' to the point of desiring to become thy neighour and usurp their very lives. Resentments build up to a crescendo, and the whole enterprise of civilization threatens to fall down upon itself.
The devil's antidote to this is the process of scapegoating which serves a cathartic purpose. All the resentments that the people in the city have for each other are channeled to a victim, a scapegoat, and that scapegoat is seen as the source of the discord that has been brought about through their envying of each other.
The envy that Girard refers to is termed 'mimetic desire' and he sees an example of it in the Scripture where Jesus says to Peter, "Get behind me Satan", when Peter's admiration of Jesus takes a bad turn.
Antrhopologist Girard finds this process of dealing with mimetic desire throughout history and throughout cultures and notes that it is mostly an unconscious process. The beginning of consciousness comes in the Biblical ritual of laying the sins of the community onto a goat, and driving him out into the wilderness to die.

Satan, the ruler of this world, had been using that process to allow for civilizational advancement, which started with the murderer Cain whose progeny is associated with cities and culture. That is the clue to the idea that it is Satan who is behind the process.
Normally, the victim chosen is presumed to actually be guilty and responsible for all the discord that enters into society, and the fact that the murder of the victim has the cathartic effect of restoring harmony invariably had the effect of making people believe that they acted correctly and justly. The whole process of the disruption of mimetic desire restoring order through scapegoating remained unknown, and this is what Satan assumed would happen in the scapegoating of Christ too.
biblically speaking, Girard points us to 1 Corinthians 2:8
None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

If Satan would have understood the consequence of his 'business as usual' plan, he would not have dared to scapegoat Jesus. He assumed that, as always, what had been cooked up in the dark would remain in the dark, same as it always had been.

God in effect tricked Satan and exposed the social mechanism of scapegoating. When it is God himself being scapegoated with the crucifixion of the fautless innocent victim who is Jesus, people become fully aware that scapegoating is nothing more than murder. It is their own sins, their own envies, their own covetous desires, their own mimetic desires that they had been transferring onto the scapegoat all along.
Satan became apparent; he fell like lightning as the Bible relates.
Like all the rulers of this world, if he had known and truly understood it, he would not have crucified Jesus.
God in effect tricked him into showing his hand.

I have not dwelt in a house from the day I brought Israel up out of Egypt to this day. I have moved from one tent site to another, from one dwelling place to another.—1 Chronicles 17:5

Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they?—Matthew 6:26

 

[mathinspiration]

Why? When he convinced us to do so.

 

[FutureAndAHope]

Interested in opinons.

Jesus was God. He was God in the flesh. Satan whether knowing God's plan, or being unaware, would have taken great pleasure in bruising Christ, for Satan hates God, and hates any plan of God's.

I think Satan would have known Jesus was to die, why do I say this, Jesus told his disciples before He was crucified that he would die and rise again. Satan became the instrument of hate that afflicted Christ (through people).

It probably made God no angrier at the devil, for God already knows Satan is debase, and beyond redemption. God would expect nothing less from a devil.

 

[JoeP222w]

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ewq1938 said: ↑
"I think Satan tried to save Christ from the cross actually."


Where in the Bible does it say or teach that Satan tried to save Jesus? How is that consistent with Christian teaching?



I believe ewq meant Satan tried to "prevent" Jesus from going to the cross. As he clarified it in a subsequent post. When I originally read it I felt it was wrong also but I believe it was just a bad choice of a word.

If that is the case, then I understand. But an understanding that says Satan tried to "save" Jesus from the cross is completely unbiblical.

 

[JoeP222w]

lol...did you ever think to just ask me to explain rather than accuse and attack me? The cross defeated Satan so naturally Satan would not want Christ to die on the cross.

Perhaps I was overzealous. But words matter.

save/prevent...same thing.

Not really. They are not strictly synonyms.

 

[AFrazier]

Interested in opinons.

Jesus was not murdered. He was executed for sin. When he took our sins upon himself, we were essentially pardoned, while he became responsible.

 

[Norbert L]

Interested in opinons.

With the question, "Why did Satan Murder Jesus, Knowing How angry this would make God?", you would first have to show me the will of God, basically what was His reaction to the public execution of Jesus? Just because you or I would react in a particular manner, does not necessarily mean God would share our view and reaction to events. Isaiah 55:8-9

And as far as Satan motives are concerned, I think it's possible that he didn't believe that a bodily resurrection would occur. Just look at an initial reaction some of the disciples had, they thought Jesus was a disembodied spirit at first, the story line of doubting Thomas leads to that belief. It's not outside the realm of probability that Satan would of thought the same. Basically instead of getting rid of a problem, this creates a whole new problem for him. 1 Corinthians 2:8

 

[MyGivenNameIsKeith]

I believe that Satan, first, tried to corrupt the human line of DNA with the angel human hybrids. This nearly worked as Noah, his wife and their three sons were the only pure humans that remained, before God destroyed the corruption with the flood.

Satan, also, tried to end the line from King David to Jesus, which would contradict prophesies. This was through the cursed line of Jehoiakim and Jeconiah. However, God had it already figured out with the virgin birth through Mary, who also was in the line of David.

Another time that Satan tried to disrupt the prophesies of the Messiah was when Haman was going to end all the Jews. This nearly worked but, alas, he was hung on his own gallows.

Satan also tried to have Jesus stoned... which would break prophesy as Jesus was never to have any bones broken. This was why it was so prophetic when Christ was speared through the side to show that He was, in fact, dead, and His legs were not broken.

Satan tried to kill Him when He was scourged... Think about it.. He was beaten, lashed 50 times, carried His cross for most of the way to the cross.... If He had of died at any time before the words "it is finished", then prophesy would not be fulfilled. I really think that it was Christs undying love for each and every sinner, that kept Him alive until it was accomplished. He did not die of the wounds of the Romans. He died when He willingly gave up His spirit.

Satan knew he was against a wall and was knowledgeable enough to have Herod kill all the baby boys just after Christs birth and as far back as when Moses was miraculously saved from a killing of male babies during his time of birth as well.

Christ certainly came to die for us. God didn't do it. God knew that if Christ came down and told the truth to the corrupted high priests, that they would kill Jesus. Jesus also knew but did so of His own free will.

However, it was our sins.... my sins that nailed Him there. It was for my sins that He suffered and died. It was His will and desire to do this for me.

Hallelujah.

According to the law, the flogging was not to exceed 40. Hence, why Paul mentions in Corinthians, "40 minus one" (39). This was to ensure that the number, and thus the law, was not exceeded. Also, in fulfilling prophecies, this number would be the one attributed. I have to disagree with the "50" you stated, based upon the fact that nowhere is 50 stripes mentioned in the old or new testament.

 

[JacksBratt]

According to the law, the flogging was not to exceed 40. Hence, why Paul mentions in Corinthians, "40 minus one" (39). This was to ensure that the number, and thus the law, was not exceeded. Also, in fulfilling prophecies, this number would be the one attributed. I have to disagree with the "50" you stated, based upon the fact that nowhere is 50 stripes mentioned in the old or new testament.

Thank you. I stand corrected.

 

[Blood Bought 1953]

According to the law, the flogging was not to exceed 40. Hence, why Paul mentions in Corinthians, "40 minus one" (39). This was to ensure that the number, and thus the law, was not exceeded. Also, in fulfilling prophecies, this number would be the one attributed. I have to disagree with the "50" you stated, based upon the fact that nowhere is 50 stripes mentioned in the old or new testament.

The demonic monsters that scourged Jesus probably were not concerned with Jewish laws

 

[sdowney717]

Satan did. Satan lies.

It was the predetermined plan of God.
Acts 4
27 “For truly against Your holy Servant Jesus, whom You anointed, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles and the people of Israel, were gathered together 28 to do whatever Your hand and Your purpose determined before to be done. 29 Now, Lord, look on their threats, and grant to Your servants that with all boldness they may speak Your word, 30 by stretching out Your hand to heal, and that signs and wonders may be done through the name of Your holy Servant Jesus.”

Infact the high priest Caiaphas spoke by the Holy Spirit that Christ had to die for the people so they would not perish.

John 11:48-52 New King James Version (NKJV)
48 If we let Him alone like this, everyone will believe in Him, and the Romans will come and take away both our place and nation.”

49 And one of them, Caiaphas, being high priest that year, said to them, “You know nothing at all, 50 nor do you consider that it is expedient for us that one man should die for the people, and not that the whole nation should perish.” 51 Now this he did not say on his own authority; but being high priest that year he prophesied that Jesus would die for the nation, 52 and not for that nation only, but also that He would gather together in one the children of God who were scattered abroad.

 

[JacksBratt]

The demonic monsters that scourged Jesus probably were not concerned with Jewish laws

I don't know how much truth is in it, but some films, like "The Passion of the Christ" depict this event as almost killing Jesus on it's own. I don't know how scriptural that idea is but I bet it's not far from the truth.

 

[ewq1938]

Jesus was not murdered. He was executed for sin. When he took our sins upon himself, we were essentially pardoned, while he became responsible.

Murder is a non-justified killing. Jesus committed no crime worthy of being killed so it was a murder.