SilverBear
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Why would FireDragon be referring to something as dated at this?
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Why would FireDragon be referring to something as dated at this?
It's really important to realize that association does not imply causation.Simon LeVay's studies are older. I mean the fact that there are actual physical, behavioral, and psychometric differences between gay men and straight men. Scientists may have also discovered a gay gene:
What do the new ‘gay genes’ tell us about sexual orientation?
There is a well-known phenomenon called "gaydar" and it turns out that many people actually can readily identify gay men by their body language and speech. Gay men often have hypertonality in their speech, similar to how women speak.
Again, this all points to actual biological differences between gay men as the root of their sexual orientation ,that it is not merely a chosen behavior.
So the young teen I had to talk to years ago that was in despair about being gay and baptist was demon possessed? I don't think so.
Sure probably not, I don't think the other poster was suggesting all people who identify as gay are demon possesed, that's why there is a distinction in pastoral theology such as that of Leanne Payne and the Sanford's between demon oppressed, demonized, and demon possessed.
Besides some people worry they are homosexual, when they are not, because of name calling, that's a burden they don't need to bear.
But if you say its 'flim flam' to draw the encouragement from the apostle's words in 1 Corinthians 6:11 what Hope are you going to offer someone like the person you mention who is in despair. It's the counsel of the gay-lib movement that is the counsel of despair, not the counsel of God's Word.
I don't expect my church to perfectly match up with my expectations. And I'm not on the church council. In my church, this issue is considered one in which Christians may disagree in good conscience, as per our 2009 social statement on sexuality.
I honestly do respect those who are in a different place than I am on this issue. I just don't respect people using the Christian faith to attack the dignity of gay people. We are free to consider homosexual sex a sin, we are not free to judge gay people or refuse to serve them.
My congregation is not mean to gay people, and my religion does not condone discriminating against anyone. We just aren't ready as congregation to have gay wedding ceremonies. But we welcome everyone.
So if my 50 year old neighbor told me he had an 18 year old girlfriend because his wife of 30 years has gotten fat and I told him the Bible says that's wrong, you'd tell me I'm being mean to him?.
You just want to be mean to gay people because they won't agree with your religious beliefs. That is wrong.
George Gilder, who did a lot of research into men and marriage, noted how powerful sexual experience in the developmental window of adolsescence can be for boys, especially with homosexual experience.It's really important to realize that association does not imply causation.
Lifestyle and environmental influences can affect our biology, and these changes can actually be observed at the DNA level. Our choices can make real differences in how we develop as human beings.
Baking a cake is not a "ceremony".
I know Jesus. I don't need the Christian Right to mediate my relationship with him.
There is nothing militant about asking for equality for all people under the law. That's just a basic human right.
they were homosexual and are now happy, functioning heterosexuals? or did they "leave the homosexual lifestyle" or "still struggle with homosexual thoughts"? There is a differnce
You don't get to redefine the experiences of the many brave LGBT individuals out there who have worked hard for their dignity and rights. All you prove when you talk like this is how irrelevant conservative Christians have become in engaging in true moral discourse.
who defends them against you?According to who's experience?
It seems you are promoting homosexuals as unable to be called to salvation.
It seems you know how all homosexuals feel about their lifestyle.
It seems that it never occurred to you some are ashamed of the life they were guided to by Child molesters.
It ain't gonna fly
Homosexuals must repent or die reprobate,you have the Schripture so why avoid the truth?
If someone was beating ,or taunting a homosexual , I would defend them,even if they are sinners bound for Hell.
who defends them against you?
So if my 50 year old neighbor told me he had an 18 year old girlfriend because his wife of 30 years has gotten fat and I told him the Bible says that's wrong, you'd tell me I'm being mean to him?
I'm sorry I misread your post. when you said: "If someone was beating ,or taunting a homosexual , I would defend them" I assumed you were talking about defending the one being bullied. I see now you meant you would defend the abuser.You don't need worry about me ,it's the day of judgement that all will face , people need to wonder about.
You don't need worry about me ,it's the day of judgement that all will face , people need to wonder about.
Yes, because as Paul so succinctly put it...God as judge is the wrong image to be predominant for our time and place.
In fact he refused to judge sinners (John 8).
You don't get to redefine the experiences of the many brave LGBT individuals out there who have worked hard for their dignity and rights. All you prove when you talk like this is how irrelevant conservative Christians have become in engaging in true moral discourse.
It's really important to realize that association does not imply causation.
Lifestyle and environmental influences can affect our biology, and these changes can actually be observed at the DNA level. Our choices can make real differences in how we develop as human beings.