Are professed Christians who deliberately practice sin saved?

[jmldn2]

In a way you are very correct because that unbelief will allow sin.

bugkiller

I'm not correct "in a way." Scripture clearly states what salvation is and what unbelief is. Sin is going to be there as long as we live in our earthly bodies.

 

[listed]

Another point. If you read the scripture and if your trying to get the correct and accurate interpretation.

First of all read chapter 5:19.

Mathew 5:19
19Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments,

Jesus is talking about the old law because in the new covenant with Jesus there is no new law or new commandment like declared in the Old Testament so it's not really hard to figure out that Jesus is talking about the old law from the Old Testament. The commandments are in the Old Testament. We don't have new commandments in the New Testament.

Jesus said he came to fulfill not take away. I'm going by scripture.

Oh. Aren't these the words of Jesus: A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

You did say " I'm going by scripture." Sure doesn't look that way to me.

 

[listed]

I'm not correct "in a way." Scripture clearly states what salvation is and what unbelief is. Sin is going to be there as long as we live in our earthly bodies.

The problem is you're dealing with the body of flesh and not the soul. Those who operate in the flesh can not please God.

Romans 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.

6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Paul deals extensively with this problem of our dual nature from chapter 7 thru 12.

 

[listed]

I don't think I have read that particular section you mentioned, and it is not about the sabbath. I am referring to any sin that are still considered to be sins under the new covenant.

So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ. (Colossians 2:16-17)

If you don't intend to be discussing the sabbath in the OP why are you quoting this verse?

 

[listed]

Any sin, but mainly aim at sins that we are aware that they are sins but we still choose to do it.

Therefore, to him who knows to do good and does not do it, to him it is sin. (James 4:17 NKJV)

What sin do you want me to be aware of especially since you don't know me?

 

[listed]

But what if it quacks like a duck, moos like a cow but looks like a t-rex?

I don't know but a cow sure could look like a t-rex to a gnat.

 

[SBC]

Identifying to who?

To whom you are speaking.
You may believe you live in a Christian Nation, and to simply say Believer, means, Belief in Christ the Lord Jesus...
Belief in God....

But then, perhaps it means, belief in Jesus, but not yet committed, or belief in Jesus in their mind, but not their heart, or belief in Allah, or Buddah.....less everyone is a mind reader.

We all know that is an incomplete interpretation of the scripture, and thus a false teaching. Scripture says that to understand the mind of God one must study the word as is written in Isaiah 28: 9-11

No it doesn't.

It asks two questions.
Then it tells you when a babe is weened, he can begin learning little by little.
Men begin learing by hearing, reading, (if a man in Isaiah's day could read), bit, by bit.

"Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.

For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: for with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people."

Correct.

If you were to take that one scripture then all "christians" would be perfect, and we know that is not true.

Nonsense. First of all the term Christian is as general and misunderstood as the using the term "believer".

Anyone following the Word of God, whether saved or not is called a Christian.
Anyone following their own Religious beliefs, is called a believer.

Only God provides KNOWLEDGE to mankind, in a WAY they can relate to the KNOWLEDGE.

Only God provides "HIS" Understading to "HIS" own Knowledge.

Scripture gives VERY LITTLE understanding of the KNOWLEDGE so written.

One of the GREATEST GIFTS from God is receiving Gods Understanding of His own Knowledge, His own Word!

And ONLY GOD Himself gives that gift of His Understanding, to INDIVIDUALS who are committed unto Him, in FULL-faithfulness, and MADE WHOLE by His Power, via the Holy Spirit.

Job 32:8
2 Tim 2:7
Luke 24:45

First you say that a Christian cannot sin,

No. I did not say a Christian could not sin.

Who is the person sitting next to you in Church, week after week, hearing and believing the Word of God? A Christian?
Who is this same person, you see going forward to the alter to confess His SINS to the Lord? A Christian?

Do you recognize what you are witnessing?
But yet you call this person the same thing?

Christians CAN SIN. WHOSEVER is born of God, (whatever they call themselves) CANNOT SIN.

You do not distinguish a Christian from a BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN.

Christians CAN SIN. Born again Christians CANNOT SIN.

then you say that to teach otherwise is a false teaching,

If you want to understand what I say, pay attention to the words I use and don't change them to your words.

yet scripture says no man is without sin.

And? WHERE DID I SAY OTHERWISE?
I never said a man is without sin.
Pay attention to what I say, not what you say for me.

I have said, all of menkind are born in sin.
Is that saying men are without sin?

I have said, all of mankind have committed sin.
Is that saying mankind is without sin?

I have said, some men are FORGIVEN their sin.
Is that saying some men are without sin?

I have said, God covers their Forgiven sin.
Is that saying men are without sin?

Do you desire to LOOK UNDER THE COVER and SEE a mans sin? God doesn't. He remember their sin no more.

Do you know SIN is DARKNESS?
Do you know WHAT God COVERS a man forgiven sin WITH?
It is HIS LIGHT.
Did you know LIGHT overcomes DARKNESS, that the DARKNESS can be seen no more?

Did you know the LIGHT/Power/Spirit of God REMAINS in a man born of God, and that man is KEPT from "AGAIN" sinning?

Don't you TRUST the LIGHT, POWER, SPIRIT of GOD IN YOU, TO KEEP YOU FROM SINNING?

Review what you are CALLING YOUR SIN.
IS IT behavior between men?
That is not sin, nor can men forgive you of sin...BUT you are taught to men are to forgive trespass between men.

OR IS IT you AGAIN disbelieving in God, corrupting your soul AGAIN? Because that would be a SIN AGAINST GOD....and His power in you, failed you.....if you continue those sins against Him.

Now, if one were to accept your "teaching"

Accept what Scripture teaches THAT APPLIES TO YOU.

what is the reason for "confessing your sins one to another",

The confession of one man to another for a trespass, is the trespassor fessing up, taking truthful responsibility, AND accountability for damages, and hope to receive forgiveness.

Jews are taught to do the same thing, but according to their LAW, the trespass is a SIN, and called a SIN. Are you under Jewish Law?

Do you read in scripture, of two Jews conversing, and one claiming the other has SINNED against a man?

Why do you presume you are subject to their Law, saying you have committed sin, as they do, under their Law?

Does Scripture teach you Belief, in in the Jewish Messiah, places you UNDER Jewish law?

or even Gods forgiveness?

WHY, what is the reason FOR Gods forgiveness?

Because you are naturally BORN AGAINST HIM. It is His desire you choose to BE WITH Him, and requires His FORGIVENESS for you having been AGAINST HIM.

Do you KNOW WHY, He desires you to be WITH Him?
Because every man WHO SUBMITS to Him, to be made WHOLE, wholly acceptable to BE WITH HIM.....such men, become ...
God INHERITANCE!

What would be the purpose of the commandments, or the law?

The purpose of the Commandments is to teach men what is acceptable to the Lord.

The purpose of the LAW, is for ignorant men,
To learn about relationships among men, with consequences for poor behavior between men. It is a preparation for men to have a relationship with God.
God desires men to learn about Him, submit to Him, and be an example to other men, that other men may desire to learn about God, and also desire to submit to Him.

If a man does good works, that Glorify God, God rewards the man.
If a man does not do good works, that Glorify God, God does not reward the man.

Keeping in mind, only a man who submits unto the Lord, can have a relationship with the Lord, and be His servant.

If that were to be true would it it not mean that Christ was not the only perfect being (God made man)?

Perfect is a general term.
God is Perfect in Holiness, in Knowledge, in Wisdom, in Understanding, in Truth...

Do men become God? No, but they can become "in His likeness"....gaining His knowledge, gaining His Wisdom, gaining His understanding, gaining His truth......

A man who gains being the recipient of Gods SEED, gains forever life with God.....and gains a relationship with God, to receive his knowledge, wisdom, understand, truth.
God Himself, declares the man sanctified as holy, and perfected, in Gods eyes and understanding.

Men WAIT to see, their glorified body.
God already has testimony of a man made whole and precisely why, such man shall be redeemed and his body glorified, and he shall be able to SEE God as he is.

Are you not the one who is making Gods word false?

Not at all. You can challenge what I say, and what I apply to myself; but I am not responsible for what you say, or what you apply to you. If you are under the Law, that's you, not me. I am under Grace, by the Mercies of God.

God Bless,
SBC

 

[jmldn2]

The problem is you're dealing with the body of flesh and not the soul. Those who operate in the flesh can not please God.

Romans 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.

6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Paul deals extensively with this problem of our dual nature from chapter 7 thru 12.

The problem is that as long as we live on this earth we are in that "body of flesh" and it continually will war against our spirit. And yes Paul also says "the things I should do i don, and the things I shouldn't do I do." paraphrased. Paul understood that while we seek perfection, we will never achieve it

 

[fhansen]

The problem is that as long as we live on this earth we are in that "body of flesh" and it continually will war against our spirit. And yes Paul also says "the things I should do i don, and the things I shouldn't do I do." paraphrased. Paul understood that while we seek perfection, we will never achieve it

I think a main point is that we should refrain from concluding that perfection isn't to be sought after at all. We shouldn't tire of seeking it in fact. Some, Christians and non-believers alike, give up on the cause if they ever took it up to begin with at some point in time, with the Christians in this case having determined that it's pointless -and opposed to the gospel.

 

[JIMINZ]

The problem is that as long as we live on this earth we are in that "body of flesh"

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How are you using the term "Body of Flesh" what does the term mean to you?

 

[SBC]

I think a main point is that we should refrain from concluding that perfection isn't to be sought after at all. We shouldn't tire of seeking it in fact. Some, Christians and non-believers alike, give up on the cause if they ever took it up to begin with at some point in time, with the Christians in this case having determined that it's pointless -and opposed to the gospel.

One can go and learn HOW TO become sanctified.

Heb 10: 14
For by one offering he has PERFECTED FOR EVER them that ARE SANCTIFIED.

I think it is more highly prized what the Scripture says by men taught of the Lord, then what men without understanding say.
Wouldn't you say?

God Bless,
SBC

 

[JIMINZ]

The problem is you're dealing with the body of flesh and not the soul. Those who operate in the flesh can not please God.

Romans 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.

6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Paul deals extensively with this problem of our dual nature from chapter 7 thru 12.

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Just a question for clarification, why are we not in the Flesh, what exactly is the Flesh to you?

 

[Old Trapper]

Without expressly identifying what one believes, or where the belief originates...
The "term" believer, is without consequence.

God Bless,
SBC

Not to God, and you don't matter.

 

[Old Trapper]

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Rom 2:21-24
21) Thou therefore which teachest another, teachest thou not thyself? thou that preachest a man should not steal, dost thou steal?
22) Thou that sayest a man should not commit adultery, dost thou commit adultery? thou that abhorrest idols, dost thou commit sacrilege?
23) Thou that makest thy boast of the law, through breaking the law dishonourest thou God?
24) For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written.

Point being what?

 

[lismore]

Why or why not? Please explain with the support of the scripture.

Jesus said to a group of Jews 'let he among you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her'. There is no record that a stone was thrown.

It's often easy to look at someone else and say 'look at that sinner, they can't be saved'. If we sit in front of a mirror that person is us.

Luke 18:9-14.

God Bless

 

[fhansen]

One can go and learn HOW TO become sanctified.

Heb 10: 14
For by one offering he has PERFECTED FOR EVER them that ARE SANCTIFIED.

I think it is more highly prized what the Scripture says by men taught of the Lord, then what men without understanding say.
Wouldn't you say?

God Bless,
SBC

Yes. "Make every effort to live in peace with everyone and to be holy; without holiness no one will see the Lord." Heb 12:14 Guess its not a done deal after all. And I'd rather go by the whole context of Scripture along with the opinion of the historical Church instead of one man's personal opinion based on a verse or two.

 

[Neogaia777]

Has the OP question been answered yet...?

If so, could someone tell or show me where...?

God Bless!

 

[fhansen]

Has the OP question been answered yet...?

If so, could someone tell or show me where...?

God Bless!

You'll pretty much have to decide that one for yourself -everyone's pretty much already given their opinion here and your question will just start up the same process all over again.

 

[Alexpro]

Oh. Aren't these the words of Jesus: A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

You did say " I'm going by scripture." Sure doesn't look that way to me.

Your right we can't be fighting each other. We have to follow Jesus example.

Oh. Aren't these the words of Jesus: A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

You did say " I'm going by scripture." Sure doesn't look that way to me.

Your right we can't be fighting each other. I was wrong. we do have a new commandment from Jesus. But in Mathew 5:19
"19Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments" he was referring to the Old Testament not the new covenant.

Thanks for pointing that out. We have to be nice to each other.

 

[Grip Docility]

Even Jesus taught that "the Law would never pass away till all things are fulfilled"

As far as I know not all things have been fulfilled.

Oh my... the Law has a purpose. If you read all of my posts on this thread... I address it.

Jesus “Fulfilled” the Law. Hint

1 John 2:2

2nd hint

“Canceling all the charges”

3rd hint