the self replicating watch argument

[xianghua]

I think we would need to find a new name for such a creature.

so its not a watch. fine.

 

[xianghua]

You can call it Rumplestiltskin if you want to. The real question is, was it formed by natural causes or was it manufactured?

but will you consider it to be a watch or not in this case?

 

[durangodawood]

Is this argument still ticking?

 

[Skreeper]

Is this argument still ticking?

 

[Skreeper]

so its not a watch. fine.

Finally. That took you long enough to say. Now please let it go.

 

[Speedwell]

but will you consider it to be a watch or not in this case?

I'd have to see it. If I could wear it on my wrist and tell time with it I might call it a watch. So what? If I couldn't tell if it was manufactured I couldn't say it was designed, no matter what I called it.

 

[MyGivenNameIsKeith]

This thread is full of darkness and atheists.
Seek God, turn from your wicked ways.
Get a new watch.

 

[Skreeper]

This thread is full of darkness and atheists.
Seek God, turn from your wicked ways.
Get a new watch.

I prefer to be called a baby-eating godless heathen, thank you very much.

 

[AV1611VET]

I prefer to be called a baby-eating godless heathen, thank you very much.

Your tagline says differently.

 

[HitchSlap]

This thread is full of darkness and atheists.
Seek God, turn from your wicked ways.
Get a new watch.

Why? My wristwatch keeps time 24 hours a day. Your’s is only right twice a day.

 

[PsychoSarah]

I have an excellent book about the "dry parts" of the Bible (Leviticus 14, 1 Chronicles 1-9, etc.), and the author makes the point that, like finding gems in the desert, these "dry parts" have in them some data point that makes other parts of the Bible clearer.

Not saying I didn't read them... just that they aren't the most interesting read.

 

[doubtingmerle]

This thread is full of darkness and atheists...
Get a new watch.

When your watch has babies, could I have one?

 

[doubtingmerle]

so if this object was made from organic and had a self replicating system and can grows from a fertilized egg, then you will not conclude its was the product of design:

https://www.robotlab.com/hubfs/images/Blog/Red-NAO---Top.png?t=1516411472218

https://www.robotlab.com/store/nao-evolution-educator-pack

If something grows from a fertilized egg to make a multicellular creature that contributes to more fertilized eggs with DNA, then it is an animal and most likely can evolve. Your picture is not of such a creature.

 

[doubtingmerle]

Not saying I didn't read them... just that they aren't the most interesting read.

Even Xianghua writes things more relevant than the genealogies.

 

[doubtingmerle]

so the object above isnt a watch if it has living traits?

So the object below isn't a human if it has a living soul?

 

[Jcreigns]

Well kylie because manufacturing a headlight from scratch is about, i don't know 15,000 times easier than a single cell much less a whole organ

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Is this argument still ticking?

Any other self-respecting argument would have laid down and died by now. xianghua's argument seems to rise from its ashes more often than a Phoenix.

As the Eagles sang: "They stab it with their steely knives but they just can't kill the beast"

 

[Meowzltov]

first: can you bring a reference for this special ear structure that is unqiue to whales and those four legged ancestors?

auditory bulla

 

[Meowzltov]

first: can you bring a reference for this special ear structure that is unqiue to whales and those four legged ancestors?

the auditory bulla, formed from the ectotympanic bone in a shape which is highly distinctive, found only in the skulls of cetaceans both living and extinct, including Pakicetus.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indohyus

 

[Meowzltov]

1) many fossil dont show any order. here is one example for instance:

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/10/171023182615.htm

"The first trees to have ever grown on Earth were also the most complex, new research has revealed. "This raises a provoking question: why are the very oldest trees the most complicated?"

It's an interesting exception to a general rule of thumb, but that's all. Remember that evolution has no agenda. It's not there to create complex life forms. More adaptive life forms survive. Period.