Immigrants take over California.

[JGG]

Now that you mention it Christian families are very important. We need more of them ("salt of the earth" you know).

And fewer non-Christian and immigrant families!

 

[Mountainmanbob]

And fewer non-Christian and immigrant families!

That's not nice.

As we up top the mountain know.

M-Bob

 

[Shiloh Raven]

As a descendant of Indigenous people, I find this thread humorous and very ironic to hear the descendants of European immigrants complain about other immigrants. The fact is, immigrants already took over the land now called California long ago, so to complain about other immigrants supposedly doing the same today is rather disingenuous, not to mention very comical.

 

[mala]

As a descendant of Indigenous people, I find this thread humorous and very ironic to hear the descendants of European immigrants complain about other immigrants. The fact is, immigrants already took over the land now called California long ago, so to complain about other immigrants supposedly doing the same is rather disingenuous, not to mention ridiculous.

it's basically "nativism" at it's core. the people who are complaining don't see themselves or their antecedents as being immigrants but rather as the founders and rightful owners.
this in their minds makes everyone else, even those that have been here for generations, an invader intent on overthrowing them.
it's laughable but also dangerous at the same time as it can lead to things such as the kkk, nazis and so forth.

 

[tadoflamb]

As a descendant of Indigenous people, I find this thread humorous and very ironic to hear the descendants of European immigrants complain about other immigrants. The fact is, immigrants already took over the land now called California long ago, so to complain about other immigrants supposedly doing the same today is rather disingenuous, not to mention very comical.

That crossed my mind when I read the OP.

 

[jazzflower92]

it's basically "nativism" at it's core. the people who are complaining don't see themselves or their antecedents as being immigrants but rather as the founders and rightful owners.
this in their minds makes everyone else, even those that have been here for generations, an invader intent on overthrowing them.
it's laughable but also dangerous at the same time as it can lead to things such as the kkk, nazis and so forth.

While their ancestors are immigrants, I don't think calling people who have for years lived here as immigrants. Heck, a lot of Hispanics have lived here for generations and many of them could be considered homegrown instead of immigrants.

 

[jazzflower92]

And fewer non-Christian and immigrant families!

Hey, all the majority Mexicans in California are Christians.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

And fewer non-Christian and immigrant families!

Fewer people means a better standard of living for all, less crowding, pollution, etc.

 

[Shiloh Raven]

And fewer non-Christian and immigrant families!

I would actually prefer non-Christian families over Christian families, if the said Christian families are part of a certain Christian sect that has caused many problems for LGBT people (such as denying them marriage equality and equal rights under the law) because their sexual orientation is contrary to evangelical biblical convictions. Fortunately, the United States has come a long way in LGBT rights in recent years. I would hate to see this hard won progress hindered by possible new laws that would again compromise the equal rights for LGBT citizens in this country. And as for immigrant families, xenophobia against minority immigrants has been a problem in this country for a long time, as has discrimination and racial violence against minorities has been ever present in this country too.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

As a descendant of Indigenous people, I find this thread humorous and very ironic to hear the descendants of European immigrants complain about other immigrants. The fact is, immigrants already took over the land now called California long ago, so to complain about other immigrants supposedly doing the same today is rather disingenuous, not to mention very comical.

I think anyone whose land is being taken has a right to complain, and to fight for it, regardless of how they came to possess it.

It seems that the Spaniards had pretty much subdued the "Indigenous people" wherever they seized the land, so the Europeans had a much easier time wresting it from both them and the Spaniards.

Spanish conquest and colonization of North America - Historia del Nuevo Mundo

 

[Shiloh Raven]

That crossed my mind when I read the OP.

I shared the article in the OP with some of my Indigenous friends. A couple of them even read through the thread too. They haven't stopped laughing yet. My friends just shook their head in amusement.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I shared the article in the OP with some of my Indigenous friends. A couple of them even read through the thread too. They haven't stopped laughing yet. My friends just shook their head in amusement.

Were they laughing in English, or their native tongue?

 

[tadoflamb]

I shared the article in the OP with some of my Indigenous friends. A couple of them even read through the thread too. They haven't stopped laughing yet. My friends just shook their head in amusement.

Good for them. It's truly an indication of their spirit that they can maintain their sense of humor in the face of such hypocrisy.

 

[tadoflamb]

Were they laughing in English, or their native tongue?

That was an asinine thing to say.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

That was an asinine thing to say.

You should have their sense of humor as well.

 

[Shiloh Raven]

Good for them. It's truly an indication of their spirit that they can maintain their sense of humor in the face of such hypocrisy.

Stories, like the article in the OP, are commonly shared and always bring a good laugh.

 

[jazzflower92]

I would actually prefer non-Christian families over Christian families, if the said Christian families are part of a certain Christian sect that has caused many problems for LGBT people (such as denying them marriage equality and equal rights under the law) because their sexual orientation is contrary to evangelical biblical convictions. Fortunately, the United States has come a long way in LGBT rights in recent years. I would hate to see this hard won progress hindered by possible new laws that would again compromise the equal rights for LGBT citizens in this country. And as for immigrant families, xenophobia against minority immigrants has been a problem in this country for a long time, as has discrimination and racial violence against minorities has been ever present in this country too.

I would like to say that a ton of immigrants are heck of conservative Christians, so that would be bad to say preferring non-Christians over Christians. Also a lot of them identify as evangelical.

 

[Galaxy Hunter]

As a descendant of Indigenous people, I find this thread humorous and very ironic to hear the descendants of European immigrants complain about other immigrants. The fact is, immigrants already took over the land now called California long ago, so to complain about other immigrants supposedly doing the same today is rather disingenuous, not to mention very comical.

Let me see if I got this straight. You think it was a bad thing that European immigrants took the country from Indigenous people but you think it is a good thing that other immigrants are taking over the New World from the Europeans? Why is it better that the new immigrants occupy the land of your people instead of the old immigrants?

 

[Galaxy Hunter]

Sorry about that last post. After rereading it I guess you don't think it's a good thing other immigrants are taking the land of your people. You are simply satisfied to get revenge.

 

[jazzflower92]

Sorry about that last post. After rereading it I guess you don't think it's a good thing other immigrants are taking the land of your people. You are simply satisfied to get revenge.

Vengeance is never good. It always makes people feel empty and unsatisfied.