the self replicating watch argument

[xianghua]

Evolution
(1) The change in genetic composition of a population over successive generations, which may be caused by natural selection, inbreeding, hybridization, or mutation.

There is nothing in that definition that conflicts with the creation of the first organisms by a deity.

if so even if all creature were not evolved from a common descent (means human and chimp share no common descent) evolution is true.

 

[Skreeper]

if so even if all creature were not evolved from a common descent (means human and chimp share no common descent) evolution is true.

Now you're getting it. But lucky for us we have more than enough evidence that confirms our relationship to the other great apes.

 

[AV1611VET]

Now you're getting it. But lucky for us we have more than enough evidence that confirms our relationship to the other great apes.

Only on paper.

 

[Skreeper]

Only on paper.

I doubt DNA is made out of paper.

 

[AV1611VET]

I doubt DNA is made out of paper.

I doubt we are made from hominid DNA.

 

[Skreeper]

I doubt we are made from hominid DNA.

I doubt you are qualified enough to make that assessment.

 

[Kylie]

@xianghua , let me ask you a question.

If I was to blindfold you, and then take your hand and put it in a sunbeam on a warm day, would you be able to feel it?

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

but we do know that we need at least 2 parts: a light detector and a translator system. so its base on things we know and not about things we dont know.

What happens when you breed a Range Rover with a Fiat Punto? are half the offspring 4x4s ?

 

[AV1611VET]

I doubt you are qualified enough to make that assessment.

I don't need qualification.

The Bible says otherwise; that settles it.

 

[pitabread]

I doubt we are made from hominid DNA.

So what do you believe you are made out of? Snips and snails and puppy-dog tails?

 

[AV1611VET]

So what do you believe you are made out of? Snips and snails and puppy-dog tails?

We are made from what we are made from ... whatever it is.

But it was mined from the dust of the earth and has no link to anything else.

 

[Speedwell]

What we were made of is a fact of no theological importance whatever. Whether it was dust or a precursor hominid makes no difference.

 

[AV1611VET]

What we were made of is a fact of no theological importance whatever.

But what we were made from does.

God could have made man before He made apes, but He didn't.

Biological evolution says we got here by DNA grandfathering itself from goo, through the zoo, to you.

 

[Speedwell]

But what we were made from does.

God could have made man before He made apes, but He didn't.

Biological evolution says we got here by DNA grandfathering itself from goo, through the zoo, to you.

However God did it is fine with me. I'll go with science on this; the "literal" reading of Genesis is distastful to me for other reasons.

 

[AV1611VET]

the "literal" reading of Genesis is distastful to me for other reasons.

Because the woman came from the man?

 

[Speedwell]

Because the woman came from the man?

No, because reading it as a strictly literal historical account debases it. Why should God use a second-rate form of literature to tell such an important story?

 

[AV1611VET]

Why should God use a second-rate form of literature to tell such an important story?

Is that what the Bible is to you?

Is this standard Anglican doctrine?

 

[Speedwell]

Is that what the Bible is to you?

Is this standard Anglican doctrine?

No, the Bible is the inspired word of God. That's standard Anglican doctrine. It's the Bible Christians who are representing it as "100% accurate literal history"--a second-rate form of literature. Anglicans would never do that to the Bible.

 

[AV1611VET]

No, the Bible is the inspired word of God. That's standard Anglican doctrine. It's the Bible Christians who are representing it as "100% accurate literal history"--a second-rate form of literature. Anglicans would never do that to the Bible.

And, of course, a young woman gave birth to a hominid that died on a cross for our sins ... right?

 

[pitabread]

We are made from what we are made from ... whatever it is.

But it was mined from the dust of the earth and has no link to anything else.

In a roundabout way, you're actually kinda right.