Less than two weeks into the new year, the number of babies killed by abortion tops 1 million

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There was a time that abortions had to go thru an arbitration board that decided if they had sufficient reason to have the pregnancy terminated or if they had to go to an unwed mothers homes to endure the shame resulting from raging teenage hormones until they were released back into society. That did help with the adoption agencies to find good homes for unwanted children.
 
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Never as in....like, never?
It will always happen. Right now it is happenning in safe, sterile medically appropriate venues.

But don't think it will just disappear. That's just wishful, hopeful, misguided thinking.
I was addressing your focused efforts comment. Was wondering if you would share.
 
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I was addressing your focused efforts comment. Was wondering if you would share.
Sure. Shoring up and strengthening food security for vulnerable people and utilizing the riches of western nations to get clean water to every human being on the planet. Something that can be done with effort and sacrifice.
But not only that, vociferously and relentlessly bringing the attention of the plight of vulnerable LIVING children into our cultural lens even more often dead fetuses. Make it "seem" like it is important.
 
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Sure. Shoring up and strengthening food security for vulnerable people and utilizing the riches of western nations to get clean water to every human being on the planet. Something that can be done with effort and sacrifice.
But not only that, vociferously and relentlessly bringing the attention of the plight of vulnerable LIVING children into our cultural lens even more often dead fetuses. Make it "seem" like it is important.
Great points.

What makes you think a Christian cannot be both pro life for an unborn human being and provide via funds, missionary work and resources support vulnerable children? You and others seem to make it either or when it is not.
 
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I can only tentatively assume you do not equate an unborn human being as morally equal or of worth as a born human being. Considering we are all humans at conception, I would be interested in which subjective standard you use to determine human being.

Thanks.
And you have assumed the opposite position, what subjective (are you sure you didnn't mean objective here?) standard do you use?
 
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And you have assumed the opposite position, what subjective (are you sure you didnn't mean objective here?) standard do you use?
It is a scientific fact we are human beings at conception.

Based on the above, killing such human life is immoral.
 
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What is SIN? We think as we are..human. Not like Him. A simple LIE is just as the op said "horrific" then millions of babies killed. We again think like we are, human. As if a sweet little babys death is worse then our tiny white lie. To GOD its no different. Sin is not based on volume of each person.

EACH person is responsible for what they did. Now... what I wonder if most can understand is how sad it makes the Father that they are in heaven. Your FREE choice is more important then you will ever know. They did not get one. They were to have the right to follow chose Him or not.

Yet CHRIST already DIED for the WORLDS SINS! So TELL THEM! THE GOODNEWS!
 
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It is a scientific fact we are human beings at conception.

Based on the above, killing such human life is immoral.
so you don't have any objective standard to use.


Yet you demand others have such a standard.
 
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Great points.

What makes you think a Christian cannot be both pro life for an unborn human being and provide via funds, missionary work and resources support vulnerable children? You and others seem to make it either or when it is not.

I agree.
 
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so you don't have any objective standard to use.


Yet you demand others have such a standard.
Just gave you two.

1. We are human beings at conception. Biological fact.

2. Thou shalt not kill.
 
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Just gave you two.

1. We are human beings at conception. Biological fact.

2. Thou shalt not kill.


you obviously don't know what an objective standard is much less how it differs from a subjective standard. (or what a fact is for that matter)

to be objective it has to have defined criteria and verifiable measurements free from any bias.

to be subjective is to be based on personal perspectives, feelings, or opinions

your #1 is not a fact is it a personal belief. it fails to be objective as you cannot provide definition of human being that would include a zygote but not earwaxg...unless you would like to claim that it is a biological fact that earwax is a human being.
 
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you obviously don't know what an objective standard is much less how it differs from a subjective standard. (or what a fact is for that matter)

to be objective it has to have defined criteria and verifiable measurements free from any bias.
Obviously I do as conception is the beginning of a new distinct (from mother and father) human life. You have alternate science to refute this? I'm sure this is free of bias as that is how we all got here. Perhaps I should explain how this happens?

Exodus 20 is a list of moral absolutes written by the Finger of YHWH.
 
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Motivation is definately a factor in murdering at anytime. There is premeditated, etc. Just as there is the fact that some use abortion as a form of birth control. Sterelization should be an option with every abortion imo.

I disagree since it is violated to civil rights since the girl might not be able to afford the baby or was raped by incest, etc or no other means of birth control. Where are these girls getting abortion from and what part of the world. If it is in China, it is not by choice. Blame should also be put on the boys who get them pregnant because it takes two to tango.
 
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Obviously I do as conception is the beginning of a new distinct (from mother and father) human life.
yes ,that is your opinion

You have alternate science to refute this?
you don't have science to support this.

And yes there is "science" showing that life doesn't begin at conception.
 
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you don't have science to support this.

And yes there is "science" showing that life doesn't begin at conception.
Basic 10th grade biology.

There is only one definition of when a distinct (from parents) human being begins. That is at conception.

A zygote [fertilized egg] is the beginning of a new human being. Human development begins at fertilization, the process during which a male gamete … unites with a female gamete or oocyte … to form a single cell called a zygote. This highly specialized, totipotent cell marks the beginning of each of us as a unique individual.

Keith L. Moore’s The Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology (7th edition, Philadelphia, PA: Saunders, 2003)

http://www.textbookrush.com/browse/...calinventory&gclid=CJGkm7nNncoCFQqpaQodVZINSA


The French geneticist Jerome L. LeJeune has stated:

To accept the fact that after fertilization has taken place a new human has come into being is no longer a matter of taste or opinion. The human nature of the human being from conception to old age is not a metaphysical contention, it is plain experimental evidence.” [The Human Life Bill: Hearings on S. 158 Before the Subcommittee on Separation of Powers of the Senate Judiciary Committee, 97th Congress, 1st Session (1981). See Norman L. Geisler, Christian Ethics: Options and Issues (Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Books, 1989), p. 149 also Francis J. Beckwith,Politically Correct Death: Answering the Arguments for Abortion Rights (Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Books, 1993), p. 42.] (Emphases mine – VJT.)

Dr. Hymie Gordon, professor of medical genetics and Mayo Clinic physician stated:

“I think we can now also say that the question of the beginning of life – when life begins – is no longer a question for theological or philosophical dispute. It is an established scientific fact. Theologians and philosophers may go on to debate the meaning of life or purpose of life, but it is an established fact that all life, including human life, begins at the moment of conception.” [The Human Life Bill – S. 158, Report 9, see Francis J. Beckwith, Politically Correct Death: Answering the Arguments for Abortion Rights(Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Books, 1993), p. 42.] (Emphases mine – VJT.)

To cite just a few examples, the American Heritage Science Dictionary defines “conception” as “the formation of a zygote resulting from the union of a sperm and egg cell; fertilization.” (For reference, a zygote is the first stage of a human embryo.)

Likewise, the entry for “life” in the American Heritage Dictionary of Science states that life is “the form of existence that organisms like animals and plants have and that inorganic objects or organic dead bodies lack; animate existence, characterized by growth, reproduction, metabolism, and response to stimuli.”

[The] statement that “human life begins at conception” is consistent with both of these definitions, because human zygotes display all four empirical attributes of life:

  1. Growth – As explained in the textbook Essentials of Human Development: A Life-Span View, “the zygote grows rapidly through cell division.”
  1. Reproduction – Per Human Sexuality: An Encyclopedia, zygotes sometimes form identical twins, which is an act of “asexual reproduction.” (Also, in this context, the word “reproduction” is more accurately understood as “reproductive potential” instead of “active reproduction.” For example, three-year-old humans are manifestly alive, but they can’t actively reproduce.)
  1. Metabolism – As detailed in the medical text Human Gametes and Preimplantation Embryos: Assessment and Diagnosis, “At the zygote stage,” the human embryo metabolizes “carboxylic acids pyruvate and lactate as its preferred energy substrates.”
  1. Response to stimuli – Collins English Dictionarydefines a “stimulus” as “any drug, agent, electrical impulse, or other factor able to cause a response in an organism.” Experiments have shown that zygotes are responsive to such factors. For example, a 2005 paper in the journal Human Reproduction Updatenotes that a compound called platelet-activating factor “acts upon the zygote” by stimulating “metabolism,” “cell-cycle progression,” and “viability.”
Furthermore, the science of embryology has proven that the genetic composition of humans is formed during fertilization, and as the textbook Molecular Biology explains, this genetic material is “the very basis of life itself.”

In accord with the facts above, the textbook Before We Are Born: Essentials of Embryology and Birth Defects directly states: “The zygote and early embryo are living human organisms.” This may be controversial from a political perspective, but the sciences of embryology and genetics leave no doubt as to when human life begins.

The science of abortion: When does life begin? - Just Facts


I will answer the next question. What is the definition of Human Being:

noun
1.
any individual of the genus Homo, especially a member ofthe species Homo sapiens.
2.
a person, especially as distinguished from other animals or as representing the human species:
 
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And yes there is "science" showing that life doesn't begin at conception.
Show me. If a distinct human life does not begin at conception then (1) what is it before (2) when does it become life?

Plus see above. Settled science is against your assertion.
 
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