Catholics CAN'T Answer This Question!!!

[concretecamper]

Then how do you justify the decision of the Roman Catholic Church to remove some parts of the same Apocrypha only a few years later

You've been doing so well the last couple of pages (added this to my collection) and now this. I wonder if you can back this statement up with a little more than because I said so. You remind me of the tale of the turtle and the scorpion.

When people resort to these tactics (false statements), it sort of undermines credibility. Yet you can make this statement. This is classic

but that there had been plenty of foostomping and personal attacks

 

[Fidelibus]

Then by your logic there are at least six different catholic denominations in my town.

Lol!! Hey wait a minute, wasen't it you that said:

I was raised in the RCC. After twelve years of catechism, baptism, confession, communion, confirmation, and being an altar boy, I'd wager I know more about Catholicism than your average Roman Catholic.

Surely if this is true, and if you were properly catechised, you would know that the Catholic Church has no denominations, and we are the one Church that Jesus founded on St. Peter and His successors. I converted to the Catholic Church only a few years ago...... and even I know that!

Now I am not surprised that there are six "Catholic Parishes" in your town, for there are five "Parishes" in the city of 190,000 pop. where I live. Again, you being a former Catholic you should know that I could go Mass at any one of these Catholic Churches on any given day and hear the same word of God being proclaimed. For example, on this day 12-28-17 every Catholic Church around the entire globe will hear on the Feast of the Holy Innocents, martyrs Lectionary: 698.

1st Reading: 1 1 JN 1:5—2:2

Responsorial Psalm: PS. 124:2-3, 4-5, 7CD-8

Gospel: MT. 2:13-18.

So I could have gone to Mass here on the west coast, jump on a plane and fly to Asia on the same day, go to Mass, (go to Confession, receive the Holy Eucharist) and I would have heard the same exact readings at any Catholic Church! Pretty amazing huh! Not only that, I could receive any Sacraments as well, and would know that the teachings of that Catholic Church/ Parish in Asia, Europe, Africa, South Americia, North Americia, ect, ect. would be the same. Try doing that with any Protestant, Non- Denominational, Fundamental, Evangelical, Bible only beleiving churchs/sects.

So you see Phil.1:21, before ascending into Heaven, Jesus only founded "one Church" (singular) and said to St. Peter that the gates of Hell would not prevail against His Church with Peter and his successors overseeing it. Not that He founded tens of thousands churches teaching different doctrines like I pointed out to 'TheBibleIsTruth' on how these differnt denominations teach there is only one truth in Holy Scripture, and only one Holy Spirit to prompt them, but then we have Baptists believe once saved, always saved, yet the Church of Christ says this is not scriptural. Seventh Day Adventists say we have to worship on Saturday, but Presbyterians say on Sunday. Lutherans believe in the 'true presence' in the Holy Eucharist, yet Baptists do not. Episcopalians say The Trinity is 3 persons in one GOD, yet Mormons say it is 3 separate GOD's. Methodists accept female ministers, yet Baptists say it is not Biblical. The Assembly of GOD uses instrumental music, yet the Church of Christ says it is not Biblical. I could go on and on. You gotta ask yourself man..... is this what Jesus was wanting for His church? So much disunity? I think not!

So again, back to what you posted:

I'd wager I know more about Catholicism than your average Roman Catholic

Sure you'd still be willing to make that wager after a convert showing your not so learned knowledge of the Catholic Church and her teachings? If so, I'd be willing take that bet, and even give you odds!

 

[Fidelibus]

The phone book? Really !?

I know!!! Isn't it amazing how many different Protestant churches/non-denominational sects/ and non-Catholic, non Orthodox churches there are on the phone book! Go on-line...... there's even more!

What does Scripture say ? >>>
Whenever you go to a new place, seek out those who are faithful and stay with them, don't keep moving to different houses while you're there .... ......

Yes...... that's why I converted to the Catholic Church, after years of experiencing so much disunity among the different Protestant churches and non-denominational sects I was a member of. Thanks be to God!!

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I know!!! Isn't it amazing how many different Protestant churches/non-denominational sects/ and non-Catholic, non Orthodox churches there are on the phone book! Go on-line...... there's even more!




Yes...... that's why I converted to the Catholic Church, after years of experiencing so much disunity among the different Protestant churches and non-denominational sects I was a member of. Thanks be to God!!

Well, hopefully YHWH is guiding your steps in a way He Knows.

You do realize that the problems in all the churches (catholic and protestant and independant)
are never a good reason to join one or another group, right ?
(When that's the 'reason', the same exact same problem(s) are just carried along and maybe nothing is solved, unless as noted it is YHWH directing your steps as He knows all things and how to bring everyone to fullness in CHRIST JESUS eventually while there is still time)

 

[Darrel Slugoski]

Correct. You see it literally when it suits and not when it is from a Catholic. You see things that are not there! You are riding on the reformation horse! A wild horse that is out of control!

Amen Brother

 

[Darrel Slugoski]

Well, hopefully YHWH is guiding your steps in a way He Knows.

You do realize that the problems in all the churches (catholic and protestant and independant)
are never a good reason to join one or another group, right ?
(When that's the 'reason', the same exact same problem(s) are just carried along and maybe nothing is solved, unless as noted it is YHWH directing your steps as He knows all things and how to bring everyone to fullness in CHRIST JESUS eventually while there is still time)

So which Church or Christian has fullness of Christ just you or the the 50000 Christian denominations who contradict each other in interpretation of scripture . So tell me how you would interpret John 6 ? If you have the fullness of Christ you should also have the fullness of truth.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

So which Church or Christian has fullness of Christ just you or the the 50000 Christian denominations who contradict each other in interpretation of scripture . So tell me how you would interpret John 6 ? If you have the fullness of Christ you should also have the fullness of truth.

Do you want to know the truth ?

 

[Darrel Slugoski]

Oh, where does it say Jesus told them to listen to them that taught Sola Scripture? Can you point that out please?

Jesus created His church. He gave Peter the Keys. He gave us Apostolic Tradition. He sent His Apostles out to teach. This was all before the Bible as we know it now.

The Catholic church has the Apostolic Tradition. It has the Holy Spirit. It has Scripture.

I think you need to get out of your very narrow tunnel of Sola Scripture!

If sola scriptura was right they would have gotten it right with Martin Luther the first time around but instead they divided on 55000 churches and 55000 interpretation .

 

[Darrel Slugoski]

Do you want to know the truth ?

So tell me what is your interpretation

 

[Darrel Slugoski]

That is a complete erroneous statement. NOT ONE single Scriptures has been posted with the words Purgatory.....NOT ONE!

There has been some Scripture that was cherry picked and was thought to match what a Catholic believer thought but upon proper exegesis of those Scriptures it has been proven that they di not pertain to Purgatory at all.

Why would you keep stating what is not true?

Please try another avenue of explanation.

The best and actually the only one that applies is that Purgatory is NOT in the Scriptures and it is NOT mentioned or taught in the Scriptures at all, but because the RCC told me it was, I am going to accept their word over the Word of God.

That my dear friend is what is called "Oral Tradition".

Again.....totally erroneous co
1 Corinthians 4:6.........
"Now these things, brethren, I have figuratively applied to myself and Apollos for your sakes, so that in us you may learn not to exceed what is written, so that no one of you will become arrogant in behalf of one against the other. "

Luke 10:26:............
"What is written in the Law? How does it read to you?"

Matthew 4:1-11. ....Three times Jesus was tempted by the Devil and each time Jesus replied exactly the same three dangerous words that defeated the Devil: "IT IS WRITTEN" Read it for yourself!

"Have you not read".......................... Matthew 12:3
"have you not read in the Law".......... ..Matthew 12:5
"Did you never read in the Scriptures".. Matthew 21:42

In addition to that, Jesus DID NOT set up Apostolic succession. PLEASE start getting your comments correct !

You are just making stuff up!

PLEASE read this carefully and slowly...........Nowhere in Scripture did Jesus, the Apostles, or any other New Testament writer set forth the idea of “Apostolic Succession”. Further, neither was Peter presented as “Supreme” over the other Apostles. Peter played an awesome role during the ministry of Christ on earth, yet the Scriptures are clear that Peter’s role was no more regarded as supreme than the others.

 

[Darrel Slugoski]

Again.....totally erroneous comments.

1 Corinthians 4:6.........
"Now these things, brethren, I have figuratively applied to myself and Apollos for your sakes, so that in us you may learn not to exceed what is written, so that no one of you will become arrogant in behalf of one against the other. "

Luke 10:26:............
"What is written in the Law? How does it read to you?"

Matthew 4:1-11. ....Three times Jesus was tempted by the Devil and each time Jesus replied exactly the same three dangerous words that defeated the Devil: "IT IS WRITTEN" Read it for yourself!

"Have you not read".......................... Matthew 12:3
"have you not read in the Law".......... ..Matthew 12:5
"Did you never read in the Scriptures".. Matthew 21:42

In addition to that, Jesus DID NOT set up Apostolic succession. PLEASE start getting your comments correct !

You are just making stuff up!

PLEASE read this carefully and slowly...........Nowhere in Scripture did Jesus, the Apostles, or any other New Testament writer set forth the idea of “Apostolic Succession”. Further, neither was Peter presented as “Supreme” over the other Apostles. Peter played an awesome role during the ministry of Christ on earth, yet the Scriptures are clear that Peter’s role was no more regarded as supreme than the others.

Show show me in scripture were it says when you disagree with others interpretation that you can start a new Church . Where is that written ?

 

[Darrel Slugoski]

I was raised in the RCC. After twelve years of catechism, baptism, confession, communion, confirmation, and being an altar boy, I'd wager I know more about Catholicism than your average Roman Catholic. That notwithstanding, even if all I knew was what you posted here, my response was correct.

If you have read the whole Catechism of the Catholic Church or any apologetics books then I would agree with you but I sure you didn't . I have.

 

[Darrel Slugoski]

That is a complete erroneous statement. NOT ONE single Scriptures has been posted with the words Purgatory.....NOT ONE!

There has been some Scripture that was cherry picked and was thought to match what a Catholic believer thought but upon proper exegesis of those Scriptures it has been proven that they di not pertain to Purgatory at all.

Why would you keep stating what is not true?

Please try another avenue of explanation.

The best and actually the only one that applies is that Purgatory is NOT in the Scriptures and it is NOT mentioned or taught in the Scriptures at all, but because the RCC told me it was, I am going to accept their word over the Word of God.

That my dear friend is what is called "Oral Tradition".

neither is the word trinity or rapture

 

[Darrel Slugoski]

By now, I've forgotten who the "he" was in that story, but the fact remains that the critics of the doctrine of Purgatory have repeatedly pointed out that there is nothing or almost nothing in Scripture that applies to Purgatory as it is described by the RCC. It is NOT the case that the posters on that side of the argument simply claim that the word itself is absent from Scripture, ergo there cannot be a Purgatory.

Again neither is the word Trinity or rapure used

 

[Darrel Slugoski]

I would think so. What I learned years ago sitting in a library reading books can now be found on-line in about 5 minutes.

The really troubling thing to me is that when anyone investigates Purgatory and sees the REAL historical beginnings of it from Greek philosophers, and how it was used to "sell indulgences" and they in the end say......
"I do not care, I think it is in the Bible and that is it".

That is to me the very sad ending.

I gave you the scriptures but you choose to ignore them .

 

[Darrel Slugoski]

By now, I've forgotten who the "he" was in that story, but the fact remains that the critics of the doctrine of Purgatory have repeatedly pointed out that there is nothing or almost nothing in Scripture that applies to Purgatory as it is described by the RCC. It is NOT the case that the posters on that side of the argument simply claim that the word itself is absent from Scripture, ergo there cannot be a Purgatory.

Again neither is the word Trinity or the word rapture used

 

[Darrel Slugoski]

He wasn't arguing that if it COULD be found, that this would prove the reality of Purgatory, though, was he? No.

Show me were the word rapture is or the word Trinity

 

[Phil 1:21]

Surely if this is true, and if you were properly catechised, you would know that the Catholic Church has no denominations,

That’s why I said “by your logic.”

 

[redleghunter]

Again neither is the word Trinity or the word rapture used

Well we should both agree the Triune God is well attested to in Sacred Scriptures.

Rapture does appear though.

Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. (1 Thessalonians 4:17)

In the Greek "caught up" is harpazō.

The word "rapture" comes from the Latin Vulgate. Rapiemur

deinde nos qui vivimus qui relinquimur simul rapiemur cum illis in nubibus obviam Domino in aera et sic semper cum Domino erimus

 

[Darrel Slugoski]

Show me were the word rapture is or the word Trinity[/QUOTE
You see if if you believe in the rapture then you need to be able to show me that word in scripture . That includes the word Trinity . Otherwise you all been contradicting your selves .