Catholics CAN'T Answer This Question!!!

[Major1]

Oh, where does it say Jesus told them to listen to them that taught Sola Scripture? Can you point that out please?

Jesus created His church. He gave Peter the Keys. He gave us Apostolic Tradition. He sent His Apostles out to teach. This was all before the Bible as we know it now.

The Catholic church has the Apostolic Tradition. It has the Holy Spirit. It has Scripture.

I think you need to get out of your very narrow tunnel of Sola Scripture!

Again.....totally erroneous comments.

1 Corinthians 4:6.........
"Now these things, brethren, I have figuratively applied to myself and Apollos for your sakes, so that in us you may learn not to exceed what is written, so that no one of you will become arrogant in behalf of one against the other. "

Luke 10:26:............
"What is written in the Law? How does it read to you?"

Matthew 4:1-11. ....Three times Jesus was tempted by the Devil and each time Jesus replied exactly the same three dangerous words that defeated the Devil: "IT IS WRITTEN" Read it for yourself!

"Have you not read".......................... Matthew 12:3
"have you not read in the Law".......... ..Matthew 12:5
"Did you never read in the Scriptures".. Matthew 21:42

In addition to that, Jesus DID NOT set up Apostolic succession. PLEASE start getting your comments correct !

You are just making stuff up!

PLEASE read this carefully and slowly...........Nowhere in Scripture did Jesus, the Apostles, or any other New Testament writer set forth the idea of “Apostolic Succession”. Further, neither was Peter presented as “Supreme” over the other Apostles. Peter played an awesome role during the ministry of Christ on earth, yet the Scriptures are clear that Peter’s role was no more regarded as supreme than the others.

 

[chevyontheriver]

It's a shame then that you were not taught correctly.

Rather it looks like someone who bailed from the faith as soon as day one of college. Never had an adult Catholic faith. Thinks they know it all by age 18. I learn more and more every year and have been at it 62 years now. What little I knew around age 18 almost led me to leave, but those were my salad years, when I was green in judgment.

 

[Albion]

By now, I've forgotten who the "he" was in that story, but the fact remains that the critics of the doctrine of Purgatory have repeatedly pointed out that there is nothing or almost nothing in Scripture that applies to Purgatory as it is described by the RCC. It is NOT the case that the posters on that side of the argument simply claim that the word itself is absent from Scripture, ergo there cannot be a Purgatory.

 

[Phil 1:21]

Rather it looks like someone who bailed from the faith as soon as day one of college. Never had an adult Catholic faith. Thinks they know it all by age 18.

 

[chevyontheriver]

By now, I've forgotten who the "he" was in that story, but the fact remains that the critics of the doctrine of Purgatory have repeatedly pointed out that there is nothing or almost nothing in Scripture that applies to Purgatory as it is described by the RCC. It is NOT the case that the posters on that side of the argument simply claim that the word itself is absent from Scripture, ergo there cannot be a Purgatory.

Whoever the 'he' was, and I have forgotten now too, his point was that the word was not in the Bible. And you said nobody challenges purgatory simply because the word isn't there. That was all about the time someone challenged one of the Catholic posters who mentioned how the word 'trinity' wasn't in the Bible, saying he, the Catholic, didn't believe in the Trinity. This thread has gone into wacko mode. And it's unretreivable.

 

[Albion]

Rather it looks like someone who bailed from the faith as soon as day one of college. Never had an adult Catholic faith. Thinks they know it all by age 18. .

Let's be sure to pair that thought with its opposite number--the Catholic hotheads here who are recent converts to the faith, some having previously belonged to a series of other churches, and now think that they know everything about Catholicism thanks to having taken an inquirers class and purchased a copy of the Catechism.

They even insist to longtime members of the Catholic Church who have switched to some other denomination that they cannot possibly know Catholic teaching since their RCC membership cards are not current!

 

[Major1]

It was a silly challenge, as far as I was concerned. All he said was that the word 'purgatory' could not be found in the Bible so purgatory could not be real. He challenged anyone to find the word 'purgatory' in the Bible as if not finding it proved it didn't exist. He rested his case on that. Same logic of those who say the word 'trinity' isn't in the Bible so there is no Trinity. We all know that the word 'trinity' and 'purgatory' are not in the Bible. But that, in itself, proves nothing. Except to a certain kind of literalist.

I am the ONE you are referring to. Yes I do believe in the Literal method of Bible interpretation.

I also believe in methodology and metaphors and correct exegesis. I want to make sure you understand why I made the challenge my friend. NOY only is the Word Puragatory not found, neither is there any implication or suggestion that there is such a place or process.

Implication in the Scriptures proves the Trinity.

John 14:8-11...........
Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake."

"Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was I am.
1Jn 5:7 ....
"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. "

Now, are there Scriptures which you can post which would explain Purgatory the way those Scriptures explain the Trinity???

 

[Albion]

Whoever the 'he' was, and I have forgotten now too, his point was that the word was not in the Bible.

You win on a technicality. I should have said "hardly anyone" uses that argument, which means that the refrain, "Well, Trinity isn't there either" is a diversion.

 

[Antig]

And yet you still believe in Purgatory. A place or a process that you can not determine where it is or what has to be one and in fact you can not tell us what has to done to escape it.

Some one just said it is a position of purging oneself in order to get ready to go to heaven.

HOW would YOU do that?
How long would you have to do it?
Where would you do it at?

Talk about incorrect teaching????

Lol.......I think one can label you as an incorrect preacher / teacher going on the amount of incorrect assumptions you have about Catholicism.

 

[Antig]

What ever it was, I am sure he is thanking God for it.

God will be the judge.

 

[Albion]

Can you refute his points? It's easy to say the other person is wrong. It takes something more to be able to explain why you think his view is mistaken.

 

[Antig]

That is a complete erroneous statement. NOT ONE single Scriptures has been posted with the words Purgatory.....NOT ONE!

There has been some Scripture that was cherry picked and was thought to match what a Catholic believer thought but upon proper exegesis of those Scriptures it has been proven that they di not pertain to Purgatory at all.

Why would you keep stating what is not true?

Please try another avenue of explanation.

The best and actually the only one that applies is that Purgatory is NOT in the Scriptures and it is NOT mentioned or taught in the Scriptures at all, but because the RCC told me it was, I am going to accept their word over the Word of God.

That my dear friend is what is called "Oral Tradition".

Can you show me where the word 'Trinity' is in the Bible? Or the words 'Sola Scripture' please?

I have researched what Catholicism says about purgatory. I have looked at the scripture it has pointed to. I agree with Catholicism. I see it in scripture very clearly indeed.

You choose to dismiss the scripture given to you by others.

That is your choice.

Blessings to you

 

[Albion]

It's not much of a "discussion," is it, to keep saying "I agree with Catholicism?" We thought you might also know why you do.

 

[Phil 1:21]

It's really hard to take a doctrine seriously when it's severity can be manipulated by carrying and kissing a piece of plastic bought on ebay for less than ten dollars.

PARDON CRUCIFIX - Roman Catholic Man

 

[Antig]

Again.....totally erroneous comments.

1 Corinthians 4:6.........
"Now these things, brethren, I have figuratively applied to myself and Apollos for your sakes, so that in us you may learn not to exceed what is written, so that no one of you will become arrogant in behalf of one against the other. "

Luke 10:26:............
"What is written in the Law? How does it read to you?"

Matthew 4:1-11. ....Three times Jesus was tempted by the Devil and each time Jesus replied exactly the same three dangerous words that defeated the Devil: "IT IS WRITTEN" Read it for yourself!

"Have you not read".......................... Matthew 12:3
"have you not read in the Law".......... ..Matthew 12:5
"Did you never read in the Scriptures".. Matthew 21:42

In addition to that, Jesus DID NOT set up Apostolic succession. PLEASE start getting your comments correct !

You are just making stuff up!

PLEASE read this carefully and slowly...........Nowhere in Scripture did Jesus, the Apostles, or any other New Testament writer set forth the idea of “Apostolic Succession”. Further, neither was Peter presented as “Supreme” over the other Apostles. Peter played an awesome role during the ministry of Christ on earth, yet the Scriptures are clear that Peter’s role was no more regarded as supreme than the others.

Jesus made Peter the head of the church and gave Him the Keys. You will not agree with that bit of Scripture much the same as you dismiss any other scripture that is linked to the Catholic teachings!

You will also know that it was the protestants that removed books from the Bible when it says in the Bible that nothing can or should be removed or added.

You do seem to pick what you want from scripture and, for want of a better word, interpret it any way you feel is right! The Catholics view is wrong in your eyes. Only YOUR view is correct. Only YOUR teachings on scripture are correct. Only YOUR explanations on scripture are correct. Can you see a pattern there?

Only YOU are correct when it comes to anything Biblical!

I really don't want to continue down this road. It is not healthy for my soul. I indeed love the Catholic church. I see no errors in its doctrines. I only see truth, backed up by scripture.

You continually dismiss Catholic views.

 

[chevyontheriver]

Let's be sure to pair that thought with its opposite number--the Catholic hotheads here who are recent converts to the faith, some having previously belonged to a series of other churches, and now think that they know everything about Catholicism thanks to having taken an inquirers class and purchased a copy of the Catechism.

They even insist to longtime members of the Catholic Church who have switched to some other denomination that they cannot possibly know Catholic teaching since their RCC membership cards are not current!

I find that most new Catholics aren't as venomous as former Catholics. I've met many of both kinds. Sure there are some intemperate new Catholics but for the most part they are thankful for what they learned as Protestants, evangelicals, fundamentalists, whatever.

 

[chevyontheriver]

You win on a technicality. I should have said "hardly anyone" uses that argument, which means that the refrain, "Well, Trinity isn't there either" is a diversion.

It's not a diversion as much as a reductio ad absurdum to point out that the folks with a certain sort of literal method of interpretation think they have everything all sewn up in their favor.

 

[Antig]

I am leaving this thread. There is nothing but hate towards Catholicism.

Blessings to you all

 

[Albion]

Jesus made Peter the head of the church

He didn't say that he was doing that.

You will also know that it was the protestants that removed books from the Bible when it says in the Bible that nothing can or should be removed or added.

Then how do you justify the decision of the Roman Catholic Church to remove some parts of the same Apocrypha only a few years later?

You do seem to pick what you want from scripture and, for want of a better word, interpret it any way you feel is right!

Would that be like saying "it says in the Bible that nothing can or should be removed or added" when that verse say this of the Book of Revelation, not the whole of Scripture?

The Catholics view is wrong in your eyes. Only YOUR view is correct. Only YOUR teachings on scripture are correct. Only YOUR explanations on scripture are correct. Can you see a pattern there?

Yes. There is a disagreement.

 

[Albion]

It's not a diversion as much as a reductio ad absurdum to point out that the folks with a certain sort of literal method of interpretation think they have everything all sewn up in their favor.

Well, that's not particularly damning IMO.

I mean, one side says to go by God's revelation and the other side agrees that it is God's word but thinks man's intuition and customs are its equal. It does seem that the first of these two approaches is the more reliable one.