Universal Salvation - Did you know that this is at the core of the Gospel?

[Hewillcome2040]

This isn't true.

When they unregenerated confess that Jesus is Lord, that doesn't save them - it is too late. Simply , all YHWH'S WORD SAYS is they will be required to acknowledge that JESUS IS LORD - NOT that they will be saved, ever.

No, that is not what it says. It says that the only way that on can confess that Jesus is Lord is by the Holy Spirit.:

1Co_12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

So God says in His Word that the only way one can say that Jesus is Lord is by the Holy Ghost and that He will have all to confess that Jesus is Lord. Those that have the Spirit are saved. How can I believe as you want me to believe if the Bible is telling me otherwise?

 

[Hewillcome2040]

Hello,

I am curious. Are you calling God a liar?

2 Thessalonians 1:8-9

Not at all, I'm calling the verse your quoting as not being understood correctly. The word for eternal is not unending.

So I'll ask you. How long is the unforgiving servant punished? See the following:

Mat 18:34 And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.

You see the servant is not punished for eternity. The word eternal or everlasting in the scriptures is not what it appears. It is derived from a Greek Word "aionios" which does NOT mean an unending duration.

 

[Hewillcome2040]

This deception will guarantee the souls of those who believe it, a place in hell, which is eternal! You promote a very false message which is contrary to all that the Bible teaches! Unless you think that you know better than Jesus Christ, God Incarnate, who said "unless you repent, you too will all perish" (Luke 13:3)? And, "“The kingdom of God has come near. Repent and believe the good news!” (Mark 1:15) ,and again Jesus says, "“Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again" (John 3:3). And, Matthew 7:13, "“Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many."

You see, the teachings of the Lord Jesus Christ, as recorded in the Holy Bible, show that your theory of "universal salvation" is not found in the Bible, but the invention of the devil himself, whose purpose is to deceive as many as he can, into a false salvation and hope!

Let's consider what you believe for a moment. If you believe in eternal torment, then tell me why do you believe that God fails to save everyone?

 

[Hewillcome2040]

The verse is better translated in the NASB:

"Now to Him who is able to establish you according to my gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery which has been kept secret for long ages past"​

This better communicates the origins of God's plan as predating the creation of the world.


I did address it, and I'll say it again, this time differently: In no way does Phil 2:10-11 state that a confession at the final reckoning will be salvific, and your teaching is making the assumption that it will be. God has limited the window of opportunity for such confessions resulting in grace from him that leads to eternal life.

Again if you say long ages past then that would understanding would also be applied to the "eternal" life and therefore the life would not be eternal. You surely don't believe the life that one gains through Christ is only for long ages to a limited time do you? After all the secret couldn't not have been kept forever so the Life there could not be forever based on your continued definitions of the term aionios.

 

[Hewillcome2040]

I was reading scripture the other day, and it actually explained
the core of the Scriptures, then said it was the core! In three different places.
So your conclusion doesn't hold up.

Matt 22:
36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 All the Law and the Prophets” depend on these two commandments.

Matthew 7:12
In everything, then, do to others as you would have them do to you.
For this is the essence of the Law and the prophets.

Galatians 5:14
The entire Law is fulfilled in a single decree: "Love your neighbor as yourself."

But at the core of those great commandments is the message of Universal Salvation. You see there is no reasons to love others as yourselves (including your enemies) if they are not also going to be saved.

 

[Hewillcome2040]

Almost. You seem to have forgotten free will.

God will save everyone EXCEPT those who refuse to be saved, by which I mean absolutely refuse to have anything to do with anything God offers to them in any way at all. Repeatedly and absolutely nothing.

I have no idea how many such people there may be, but that there will be some is probably inevitable.

So do you believe that a man's desire to not be persuaded is greater than God's ability to persuade them? You see free will exercised within the framework that God provides. I highly suggest you read "St." Augustine of Hippo's work On Grace and Free Will:

CHURCH FATHERS: On Grace and Free Will (St. Augustine)

Here are a few chapter headings that give an understanding of what He believes:

Chapter 29.— God is Able to Convert Opposing Wills, and to Take Away from the Heart Its Hardness.

Chapter 41 [XX.]— The Wills of Men are So Much in the Power of God, that He Can Turn Them Whithersoever It

Chapter 42 [XXI]— God Does Whatsoever He Wills in the Hearts of Even Wicked Men.

Chapter 43.— God Operates on Men's Hearts to Incline Their Wills Whithersoever He Pleases.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Do you believe that God can fail? Does not God start a work and finish it? Is He not the one that gives Life with a purpose? Will not the purpose be accomplished?

His Purpose, Wisdom and KNowledge includes those destined for destruction,
exactly as HE SAYS.

TO go against what HE SAYS, well, not good. (the lake of fire is NOT for those who please Him by faith; so it is best not to go there nor to send anyone else there , even by accident)

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

But at the core of those great commandments is the message of Universal Salvation. You see there is no reasons to love others as yourselves (including your enemies) if they are not also going to be saved.

That isn't even logical nor true, and it is contrary directly to God's Word and God's Plan.

Even just in the english grammar/the logic of the statement fails and finds itself opposed to God Himself.

When God loves His enemies, He does what is best for them, so they have no excuse for their unbelief and rebellion and their rejection of salvation in Jesus.

God then has not one excuse to save them from eternal death. It would be totally unjust and wrong for Him to do so.
(And God is Absolutely and Perfectly Righteous and True).

 

[Phil 1:21]

Universalism is at the core of the Gopsel.

God will have every knee to bow and confess that Jesus is Lord.

21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’” Matthew 7:21-23

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’” Matthew 7:21-23

Amen.
His Word will never be broken.
Not even (as if) after being cast in the lake of fire.

Unless YHWH removes the veil before death , it is not removed until final judgment, and they are not saved.

 

[Hewillcome2040]

His Purpose, Wisdom and KNowledge includes those destined for destruction,
exactly as HE SAYS.

TO go against what HE SAYS, well, not good. (the lake of fire is NOT for those who please Him by faith; so it is best not to go there nor to send anyone else there , even by accident)

I have not said there will not be people punished. You need to understand that the word for punishment is the Greek word "kolasis" which comes from the meaning of pruning a tree. Pruning of a Tree is not to kill the tree but to SAVE it. So we have a word that refers to SAVING something being applied to the wicked in scripture.

 

[Hewillcome2040]

That isn't even logical nor true, and it is contrary directly to God's Word and God's Plan.

Even just in the english grammar/the logic of the statement fails and finds itself opposed to God Himself.

When God loves His enemies, He does what is best for them, so they have no excuse for their unbelief and rebellion and their rejection of salvation in Jesus.

God then has not one excuse to save them from eternal death. It would be totally unjust and wrong for Him to do so.
(And God is Absolutely and Perfectly Righteous and True).

Do you believe God can save anyone?

 

[Hewillcome2040]

21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’” Matthew 7:21-23

There is not contradiction here to my views on Universalism. I believe that in due time that the Lord will have everyone to do the will of the Father but until they do they will be cast out when He ushers in the Kingdom.

 

[Phil 1:21]

There is not contradiction here to my views on Universalism. I believe that in due time that the Lord will have everyone to do the will of the Father but until they do they will be cast out when He ushers in the Kingdom.

Then you believe in something other than the word of God. The most unfortunate thing is you have a lot of company.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

No, that is not what it says. It says that the only way that on can confess that Jesus is Lord is by the Holy Spirit.

WHO do you think makes them confess Jesus as Lord ?! Of course it is His Spirit.

Only they do not obey Him Willingly NOR with FAITH, nor under the BLOOD OF JESUS,
but
as condemned prisoners already convicted BEFORE they die for their UNbelief.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I believe that in due time that the Lord will have everyone to do the will of the Father

This is the crux of the matter.
What you believe will NEVER, not ever, not even once,
change what God's Word says.
HOW you believe it and interpret it, will NEVER change God's Sentence upon the CONDEMNED.

 

[Hewillcome2040]

Then you believe in something other than the word of God. The most unfortunate thing is you have a lot of company.

As I have shown my whole understanding is built on the foundation of the Word of God.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

As I have shown my whole understanding is built on the foundation of the Word of God.

EXCEPT what you believe, what you have already posted that you believe.

So perhaps, other things you think you understand are also opposed to the Word of God, not built on Him.

 

[Phil 1:21]

As I have shown my whole understanding is built on the foundation of the Word of God.

Actually your "foundation" has been shown to be little more than the shifting sand of your own creation.

 

[Hewillcome2040]

WHO do you think makes them confess Jesus as Lord ?! Of course it is His Spirit.

Only they do not obey Him Willingly NOR with FAITH, nor under the BLOOD OF JESUS,
but
as condemned prisoners already convicted BEFORE they die for their UNbelief.

No they do so willingly. Remember it says they do it to the Glory of God. Do you really think you can glorify God with insincere confession?