Collusion...is there any doubt now?

[KCfromNC]

What has this to do with Trump?

Trump said he was part of his national security team during the campaign, for one.

 

[Almost there]

When the investigation is complete, would be the time to determine whether it was a witch hunt.

True. However, the argument being made by folks like me is that there was scant evidence on which to support their being an investigation in the first place.

But you're right, the results will let us know.

 

[ViaCrucis]

I think we can say that there's lots of smoke, but no gun yet.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[KCfromNC]

True. However, the argument being made by folks like me is that there was scant evidence on which to support their being an investigation in the first place.

And now there have been multiple arrests and a plea deal. If it were me, that would make me reconsider my claims of "scant evidence".

 

[Blood Bought 1953]

“Follow the money”.......I think in the end it will be about money....there is a reason this proven,habitual liar will not show the tax returns he promised to show after the election

 

[Almost there]

And now there have been multiple arrests and a plea deal. If it were me, that would make me reconsider my claims of "scant evidence".

But they are not related to the reason this was done. It's like breaking into a house looking for drugs and finding illegal vhs copies made from rental movies.

 

[Fantine]

Scant evidence? Oh, I see. You have Russia gate confused with Benghazi, Hillary's emails, travelgate, and white water. The Clintons were the ones being investigated without evidence---but Trump? Once the snowball starts rolling downhill it may very well crush everyone working in the Oval Office cesspool.

 

[KCfromNC]

But they are not related to the reason this was done.

Yes they were.

 

[Almost there]

Yes they were.

This may clarify:
'Special Counsel' Mueller Is Guilty of Misconduct and Must Resign

 

[Basil the Great]

I think that it is a matter of degree. It sure looks like there was an exchange of some information, though Wikileaks is probably the most likely source, rather than directly from Russians. However, how much sharing and with whom and who in the campaign knew about it, still remains a mystery.

 

[KCfromNC]

This may clarify:
'Special Counsel' Mueller Is Guilty of Misconduct and Must Resign

It almost made it through 7 sentences before outright lying which makes it better than many alt-right propaganda outlets. But no, it certainly doesn't clarify anything.

Is there anything in there you find convincing. I mean sure, it is an entertaining rant but the train of thought derailed pretty quickly.

 

[Almost there]

It almost made it through 7 sentences before outright lying which makes it better than many alt-right propaganda outlets. But no, it certainly doesn't clarify anything.

Is there anything in there you find convincing. I mean sure, it is an entertaining rant but the train of thought derailed pretty quickly.

Apparently opinions vary.

 

[KCfromNC]

Apparently opinions vary.

Nothing you want to highlight in that source as worth reading?

 

[Almost there]

Nothing you want to highlight in that source as worth reading?

The whole thing. It's not that long.

I have to confess that as of the last couple of months, Americanthinker has be come my absolute favorite site regarding opinion on the current political stories. They are absolutely nailing it, over and over. I've only seen one story that was a bit flaky, but it was still better than a lot of stuff I see from "reputable" sources like NPR.

 

[KCfromNC]

The whole thing. It's not that long.

Like I said, once I got to the part where he was obviously lying about the political affiliation of the special prosecutor's office I stopped trusting the author. There's also the issue that he seems to have fallen for the alt-right talking point that Mueller's job is only to investigate the Steele dossier. He pretends lack of verification means something is false. He doesn't know how long Mueller has been in the job. He's alleging that Mueller is leaking thing to the press without any sort of evidence. He mistakenly believes the special prosecutor was put in place by newspapers. He doesn't know that a special prosecutor was appointed to investigate Bill Clinton. And so on, and so forth. There's zero credibility here - my only real question is whether the author is too uninformed to know he's not telling the truth or just hoping his audience is.

 

[bhsmte]

The whole thing. It's not that long.

I have to confess that as of the last couple of months, Americanthinker has be come my absolute favorite site regarding opinion on the current political stories. They are absolutely nailing it, over and over. I've only seen one story that was a bit flaky, but it was still better than a lot of stuff I see from "reputable" sources like NPR.

Is that because you like what they say, or because they are objectively reporting the facts.

 

[Almost there]

Like I said, once I got to the part where he was obviously lying about the political affiliation of the special prosecutor's office I stopped trusting the author. There's also the issue that he seems to have fallen for the alt-right talking point that Mueller's job is only to investigate the Steele dossier. He pretends lack of verification means something is false. He doesn't know how long Mueller has been in the job. He's alleging that Mueller is leaking thing to the press without any sort of evidence. He mistakenly believes the special prosecutor was put in place by newspapers. He doesn't know that a special prosecutor was appointed to investigate Bill Clinton. And so on, and so forth. There's zero credibility here - my only real question is whether the author is too uninformed to know he's not telling the truth or just hoping his audience is.

What lie?

 

[Almost there]

Is that because you like what they say, or because they are objectively reporting the facts.

Both. There are some sites that agree with my position, but they are just opinion sites that don't get into the real reasons behind why I, myself, agree with the raw position. Sometimes they make the point, but with too many words.

There is a level of scholarship on that site that is pretty rare in any kind of media these days. And there are some that "sound" scholarly, until you get into the actual facts on which any premise they make are based.

 

[KCfromNC]

What lie?

Calling him a democrat, for one. Plus all the other factual errors mentioned in my previous post.

 

[Almost there]

Calling him a democrat, for one. Plus all the other factual errors mentioned in my previous post.

He didn't call him a democrat. However, he did say this about his staff: "...The case against Bob Mueller and his squad of Democrat witch-hunters..."

Which is a true statement.