Aucontraire. Once you know the beginning, you will know the end. It’s simple physics.
Correction: It's simple physics in the present Cosmos. The same rules don't apply to other Universes. Amen?
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Aucontraire. Once you know the beginning, you will know the end. It’s simple physics.
‘ID is creationism in a cheap tux.’
Do you know where the phrase ‘ID is just creationism in a cheap tux,’ is from?That's your slang and put down of ID. This is your Appeal to Ridicule logical fallacy. Here you have mocked Intelligent Design instead of providing the evidence to demonstrate your point.
I know you are an atheist, but God doesn't believe in atheists (see Romans 1:18-32). God's view what the Psalmist praised God for: human beings are 'fearfully and wonderfully made' (Ps 139:14 NIV).
ID is the language of some today. The Bible's language is that human beings are 'wonderfully made'. Since we are under the curse of sin, there are many malfunctions in our bodies and in the environment. God said this would happen from the beginning of time (see Genesis 3:14-19 NIV).
I ask you to consider the God-given evidence all around you that demonstrates (with constant evidence) the existence of God and his sustaining power in the universe. Every breath you and I breathe depends on the Lord God's provision (Gen 2:7; Isa 42:5; Acts 17:25).
Oz
You have evidence for this?
Do tell!
Do you know where the phrase ‘ID is just creationism in a cheap tux,’ is from?
Why repeat the evidence that others have provided?
As an agnostic, are you open to ALL of the evidence and that includes direct creation by God ex nihilo (Gen 1:1)?
How do you recognize design?Of course I do! See HERE and HERE.
Nevertheless, copying another's cheap slogan still gets you to the point of engaging in the use of a red herring fallacy. Why?
You have introduced an irrelevant topic (tuxedo) to try to divert attention away from God's design in human beings and nature (ID and God's creation) - 'we are fearfully and wonderfully made' (Ps 139:14) and depend on God for every breath we breathe (Acts 17:25).
Oz
Evidence informs my beliefs, and I’m open to all of it.Hitch,
Yes, I most certainly have evidence but you as an atheist don't seem to be open to ALL of the evidence provided by historical science and reliability or unreliability of documents from the past.
The OT is an historically reliable set of documents (cf Plato's and Josephus's writings). See Walter Kaiser's defense of this position - with the evidence: The Old Testament Documents: Are They Reliable and Relevant?
Oz
Gene,
How would those 'historical' criteria help me verify or falsify whether it is an historical fact that Captain James Cook sailed up the east coast of Australia in 1770?
How contemporary or near-contemporary documents agree or disagree with the claims in Cook's journals would be irrelevant, in my understanding, to the historical investigation of Cook's visit to Australia.
The target audience should have little bearing on historical science, except for understanding the culture and genre of the journal.
I suggest that an examination of Cook's journals, using some of the criteria/indications of historical reliability pursued for an examination of the historical Jesus.
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See 'The "Criteria" for Authenticity' by Robert H Stein for an explanation of other criteria of authenticity for historical documents.
I've read a lot of the DI's purported papers supporting Intelligent Design and they're generally poor and don't provide the evidence the DI purports.
I keep searching for good examples of evidence for Intelligent Design, but I've yet to find any.
If there is sufficient enough to evidence to support it, sure. I've found though that after 20 years of this stuff, the arguments tend to be lacking.
Part of the problem is I find arguments for specific theologies usually carry with them the implicit assumption those theologies are true. But if you don't buy into the theology in question, the arguments fall apart.
How do you recognize design?
Evidence informs my beliefs, and I’m open to all of it.
Now you mentioned you had evidence for creation ex nihilo. So let’s see it.
The Oxford dictionary online states that design is,
Purpose or planning that exists behind an action, fact, or object.
‘the appearance of design in the universe’ (Oxford dictionaries online 2017. s v design).
As I type this post, I'm looking at my fingers, thumbs, hands, arms, skin and arteries bulging on top of my hands.
I see grand purpose and planning behind the hands and arms that allow me to engage in touch typing for this post. There is the appearance of design (purpose and planning) in this part of my human body.
I could go to each part of the body and see exquisite design through God's purpose and planning of the make up of human beings.
Why can't you see it?
Oz
I’m not asking about your dissertation. As a broad term to include such disciplines as paleontology, archaeology, cosmology, etc. yes, historical science is a valid scientific discipline. What I’m asking you about is whether you consider these scientific disciplines to be valid. If not, why?My PhD dissertation had NOTHING to do with creationism. I had to deal with methodology and historical science.
Are you denying that there is such a discipline as historical science?
The same principles of methodology are NOT the same in experimental science and historical science. I know. I spent 5 years writing a 482 page PhD dissertation that dealt with historical science and its valitidy or otherwise.
Oz
Then you believe that "every living thing" has been made a vegetarian in the PAST as Genesis 1:30 clearly states. Sorry, but this is prophecy of a future event which happens AFTER Jesus returns to this Earth. You can read of the fulfillment of this prophecy in Isaiah 11:7.
Isa 11:7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
See? Read Isaiah 11 to see the time when these events SHALL happen. Amen?
I see grand purpose and planning behind the hands and arms that allow me to engage in touch typing for this post.