Why no evidence FOR creation/ID?

[pitabread]

They did that calculation somehow, of the probability of other worlds within our galaxy with the ability of insteller communication. I could prolly find it for you if you want. It's like 1-150th or something like that. Way above being an absurdity according to Borels law.

You appear to be referring to the Drake equation. Which has nothing to do with the probability of habitable planets in and of themselves, but rather the probability of other civilizations existing in space and being able to communicate with Earth.

However, the original Drake equation is considered to be overly simplistic and outdated at this point.

There have been updates to it and more modern calculations of said probabilities. The result is that the idea of humans being the only intelligent life form is highly improbable. More probable is we are one of many possible intelligent beings: The Odds That We’re the Only Advanced Species in the Galaxy Are One in 60 Billion | Daily Planet | Air & Space Magazine

 

[Speedwell]

You know, the anti-there is no evidence for creation crowd in the topic, lol. That there was a big bang and everything sort of fell into place.

Personally, I've wondered if when Jesus spoke and created everything...that there was a big bang then!

No evidence for creation?
Or no evidence for biblical creation?

 

[PsychoSarah]

They did that calculation somehow, of the probability of other worlds within our galaxy with the ability of insteller communication.

That equation is something of a joke, since it ignores a ton of variables we can't quantify. For example, we have no idea how common it is for life to form on planets that can support life, and it would be necessary to know that to make such an equation meaningful.

 

[gaara4158]

It isn't supposed to be logical. We are not to lean upon our own understanding. Spiritual matters are spiritually discerned. That, is what it's all about.

I know it's not easy to set ones mind and intellect aside, but it is possible.

I wonder why you think it’s a good idea to believe something that requires you to set your intellect aside before you can accept it.

 

[Divide]

There have been updates to it and more modern calculations of said probabilities. The result is that the idea of humans being the only intelligent life form is highly improbable. More probable is we are one of many possible intelligent beings:

Oh, I agree all right. That's sorta what I've been saying, lol. Theirs myriads of beings according to scripture. All sorts of angels and spirits and creatures and prolly most of them are smarter than us, lol. We have probably never ever been alone in our entire life. There's always spiritual beings around.

 

[Divide]

I wonder why you think it’s a good idea to believe something that requires you to set your intellect aside before you can accept it.

Because that's who we are. Who we were created to be. We're spiritual beings on a human journey, not humans on a spiritual journey. intellect has to be anti spiritual. I think it's all about resonating in our spirit on the same wave length as God. That's scripture for ya. I didn't make it up, lol.

All there's proof all throughout the bible. That book is 66 books by 40 different authors and over a period of what? A couple thousand years? And the early books, thell what's going to happen in the later books (time). Prophecy. Hundreds and hundreds of prophecies have been fulfilled.

You want some of that proof? Let me see what I can do here. I got busy for a cou ple days but I'll try to put something together today for you guys.

 

[Divide]

No evidence for creation?
Or no evidence for biblical creation?

What's that mean, that you think Aliens seeded the planet? You Ancient Aliens Junkie, you...Lol

 

[Divide]

That equation is something of a joke, since it ignores a ton of variables we can't quantify. For example, we have no idea how common it is for life to form on planets that can support life, and it would be necessary to know that to make such an equation meaningful.

They took a stab at it. I dunno if that was thr Drake calculation or what they called it. I seen the equation but I didn't write it down. I think it was meaningful because they have the estimate of how many planets in our galaxy. Figuring if you would have 2 then it wopuld double, add another one and it's squared, and so forth.

I can't really disagree and say you're wrong...because I am not a mathematician (and neither are you I'm guessing), So, I don't think that you can say that with 100% confidence that it wasn't meaningful! But I think it was, or could have been. Them guys are smart.

 

[Divide]

That equation is something of a joke, since it ignores a ton of variables we can't quantify. For example, we have no idea how common it is for life to form on planets that can support life, and it would be necessary to know that to make such an equation meaningful.

Earth is a rare planet. We know that. Not only it's system, but it's positioning. We are very uniquely positioned in the galaxy. What can't be quantified? They made short estimates of quantification's for simplicity's sake and it still came out as an absurdity of chance.
But I didn't check the math so...I don't like math much, lol. Gives me a headache.

 

[Skreeper]

All there's proof all throughout the bible. That book is 66 books by 40 different authors and over a period of what? A couple thousand years? And the early books, thell what's going to happen in the later books (time). Prophecy. Hundreds and hundreds of prophecies have been fulfilled.

And what about the failed prophecies? Do you just hand-wave them away as if they don't matter?

 

[Divide]

And what about the failed prophecies? Do you just hand-wave them away as if they don't matter?

Which ones are those?

 

[Skreeper]

Which ones are those?

For example Ezekiel 26:7-14 where God explicitly states that Nebuchadnezzar would completely sack and destroy the city of Tyre and that Tyre's land would never be built upon again. However, this never occurred. After a 13-year siege, Tyre compromised with Nebuchadnezzar and accepted his authority without being destroyed.

 

[gaara4158]

Because that's who we are. Who we were created to be. We're spiritual beings on a human journey, not humans on a spiritual journey. intellect has to be anti spiritual. I think it's all about resonating in our spirit on the same wave length as God. That's scripture for ya. I didn't make it up, lol.

All there's proof all throughout the bible. That book is 66 books by 40 different authors and over a period of what? A couple thousand years? And the early books, thell what's going to happen in the later books (time). Prophecy. Hundreds and hundreds of prophecies have been fulfilled.

You want some of that proof? Let me see what I can do here. I got busy for a cou ple days but I'll try to put something together today for you guys.

“Because it’s who we are” is a terrible reason to do anything. We’re also all naturally tempted to lie, cheat, steal, and fornicate. Should we give in to that as well?

You just admitted that your position is anti-intellectual. How could you possibly have proof, then? Isn’t proof an intellectual demand?

 

[Divide]

Well I may as well get to it and get to proving the scriptures like was wanted. The Bible is self validating. It's documented that it had different authors, and was written over a long period of time. So since it says that God declares the end from the beginning, we look in there and see that it is true.

I'll post the scripture written in the Old Testament, and the corresponding scripture where the prophecy was fulfilled. Which are documented too.

Hosea 11:1 (Written 700 BC) Matthew 2:14
Zechariah 11:12 (500 BC) Matthew 26:15
Psalm 22:18 (1410 BC) Luke 23:24
Isaiah 53:5 (700 BC) Matthew 27:26
Psalm 22:16 (1410 BC) Matthew 15:24
Psalm 34:20 (1410 BC) John 19:33
Isaiah 53:9 (700 BC) Mark 15:43

There's a few to get you started. Read them. It happened.

 

[Divide]

“Because it’s who we are” is a terrible reason to do anything. We’re also all naturally tempted to lie, cheat, steal, and fornicate. Should we give in to that as well?

You just admitted that your position is anti-intellectual. How could you possibly have proof, then? Isn’t proof an intellectual demand?

(Here he goes...) So to speak. There's a difference between head knowledge and wisdom. When your head knowledge outweighs your spiritual knowledge then, you're headed for trouble and confusion. That's just how it is, I dunno. I didn't set it up...but it works that way. Or would you deny the unseen aspects of life?

Does your Wife love you? I'm guessing yes, she does. But how do you know it? Well, you perceive it spiritually. You can even feel it. Even if she were to betray you is some small way, people make mistakes, but they still have the capacity to love, and to perceive. Don't tell me you don't know this? Lol...

 

[OzSpen]

A murder is a non-repeatable event, yet we can use science to determine how the murder occurred and who committed the murder. Science can investigate non-repeatable events by looking at the evidence they produce.

Loud,

Historical science is non-repeatable and is different from experimental science, which is repeatable. See HERE.

Oz

 

[Divide]

...or so they say.

 

[OzSpen]

And what about the failed prophecies? Do you just hand-wave them away as if they don't matter?

Please provide the evidence for what you have called 'failed prophecies'.

 

[OzSpen]

...or so they say.

To whom are you addressing your comment?

 

[Skreeper]

Please provide the evidence for what you have called 'failed prophecies'.

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