It's Not Too Soon to Debate Gun Control

[JCFantasy23]

3 of the worst ever mass murders in America didn't even facilitate a gun:

Worst School Massacre in US history: Bath, Michigan School Massacre. 1927. Murder accomplished with explosives. 44 victims (equal to the Columbine and Virginia Tech massacres combined).

Worst Domestic Terrorist Attack in US History: Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building bombing. 4/19/95. Murder accomplished with a rental truck full of fertilizer based explosives. 168 dead (including many children in an on-site daycare).

Worst Foreign-based Terrorist Attack in US History: September 11, 2001, attacks on NYC, PA, Pentagon. Murder accomplished with box cutters and commercial airliners. ~3,000 people dead.


There are mass murders all over the world without the use of guns. The worst by far is this murder by fire that killed 198.

Daegu subway fire, Daegu, South Korea: 2/18/2003. 198 killed, 147 injured. A 56-year-old unemployed taxi driver, dissatisfied with his medical treatment, sets fire to a crowded train.

Arson, Stabbing Rampage in Seoul South Korea: 10/20/2008. 6 people dead, 5 from stabbing. 7 others wounded, 4 seriously. An angry man felt people “looked down on him.”

Anti-police stabbing spree in Shanghai, China: 7/2008. 6 Police Officers stabbed to death, 4 wounded. 28-year-old man angry at police attacked a police station with a knife.

Akihabara Massacre, Chiyoda City, Tokyo, Japan: 6/8/2008. 7 people killed (3 struck by car, 4 by stabbing), many more injured. Man slammed into a crowd with his car, then jumped out and began stabbing people to death.

18 year old slashes 4 to death in Sitka, Alaska, US: 3/25/2008. 4 people killed. 18-year old (old enough to purchase a rifle over the counter) kills 4 people, related to him, with a 5-inch knife.

Stabbing Spree kills 2, Tsuchiura, Japan: 3/23/2008. 2 killed, 7 wounded. Man “just wanted to kill anyone.”

Stabbing spree wounds 41, 6 seriously in Berlin Train Station:5/26/2006. 41 wounded, 6 seriously. Thankfully no one died in this attack, but not for lack of trying on the part of the drunk 16 year old.

4 killed in stabbing spree in London, UK: 9/2004. 4 killed, 2 wounded. Mentally ill man attacks mostly older people.

6 killed over Xbox dispute in Deltona, Florida, US: 8/6/2004. 6 killed. 4 men (all old enough to legally purchase firearms) bludgeon 6 people to death with baseball bats over purloined Xbox.

Osaka School Massacre, Osaka Japan: 6/8/2001. 8 children dead, 13 other children and 2 teachers wounded. Committed by 37 year old former janitor armed with a kitchen knife.

All good points. These people who want to seek these crimes for attention and because they're ill will find some way to do it. Removing guns will not remove their capacity and want to mass murder. Bombs would certainly start becoming more popular, and perhaps set fires and traps.

 

[TLK Valentine]

This got way off track. I was merely saying that a man is more powerful than a woman, even if he doesn't work out and she does.

It would therefore follow that women, lacking a man's physical prowess, would be more likely to pick up a gun in order to even the odds... and yet, statistically speaking, far fewer do.

Could it be that the reason some men are arming themselves is to compensate for a (real or perceived) inadequacy in this area?

 

[Almost there]

It would therefore follow that women, lacking a man's physical prowess, would be more likely to pick up a gun in order to even the odds... and yet, statistically speaking, far fewer do.

Could it be that the reason some men are arming themselves is to compensate for a (real or perceived) inadequacy in this area?

There are a lot of reasons more men have guns than women. Just a few: Men hunt more. Men are designed as protectors and are therefore, more interested in something that would enhance their ability to do so. Men find themselves more often in dangerous environments. Etc.

 

[tall73]

...In New Orleans, that's for sure.

Yes, the violence at the highest rates is clustered in a few cities.

And yet there was no state with fewer than one homicide per 100k, and not many with less than 2 per 100k in 2015, which is the latest I saw it broken down by state.


D.C. 24.1
New York 3.1
New Jersey 4.1
Massachusetts 1.9
Hawaii 1.3
California 4.8
Conneticut 3.3
Maryland 8.6
Rhode Island 2.7
Delaware 6.7
Illinois 5.8
Colorado 3.2
Minnesota 2.4
Iowa 2.3
Washington 2.9
Ohio 4.3
New Mexico 5.6
Nebraska 3.3
Arkansas 6.1
Maine 1.7
Pennsylvania 5.1
Idaho 1.9
Oregon 2.5
Michigan 5.8
Louisiana 10.3
Wisconsin 4.2
New Hampshire 1.1
Indiana 5.6
West Virginia 3.8
Nevada 6.2
Virginia 4.6
North Dakota 2.8
North Carolina 5.1
Mississippi 8.7
Vermont 1.6
Tennessee 6.2
South Carolina 8.1
Texas 4.8
South Dakota 3.7
Alabama 7.2
Missouri 8.3
Florida 5.1
Kansas 4.4
Montana 3.5
Wyoming 2.7
Oklahoma 6.0
Kentucky 4.7
Utah 1.8
Georgia 6.0
Alaska 8.0
Arizona 4.5

Table 5

But to put those rates in perspective, the ones with low rates don't have cities like this:

Milwaukee 24.2
Salinas (CA) 25.3
Hartford 25.7
Baton Rouge 26.2
Jackson 31.1
Birmingham 37.2
New Orleans 41.7
Detroit 43.8
Baltimore 55.4
St Louis 59.3

Philadelphia Has One of the Highest Murder Rates in America – Philadelphia Stats

 

[Almost there]

Yes, the violence at the highest rates is clustered in a few cities.

And yet there was no state with fewer than one homicide per 100k, and not many with less than 2 per 100k in 2015, which is the latest I saw it broken down by state.


D.C. 24.1
New York 3.1
New Jersey 4.1
Massachusetts 1.9
Hawaii 1.3
California 4.8
Conneticut 3.3
Maryland 8.6
Rhode Island 2.7
Delaware 6.7
Illinois 5.8
Colorado 3.2
Minnesota 2.4
Iowa 2.3
Washington 2.9
Ohio 4.3
New Mexico 5.6
Nebraska 3.3
Arkansas 6.1
Maine 1.7
Pennsylvania 5.1
Idaho 1.9
Oregon 2.5
Michigan 5.8
Louisiana 10.3
Wisconsin 4.2
New Hampshire 1.1
Indiana 5.6
West Virginia 3.8
Nevada 6.2
Virginia 4.6
North Dakota 2.8
North Carolina 5.1
Mississippi 8.7
Vermont 1.6
Tennessee 6.2
South Carolina 8.1
Texas 4.8
South Dakota 3.7
Alabama 7.2
Missouri 8.3
Florida 5.1
Kansas 4.4
Montana 3.5
Wyoming 2.7
Oklahoma 6.0
Kentucky 4.7
Utah 1.8
Georgia 6.0
Alaska 8.0
Arizona 4.5

Table 5

But to put those rates in perspective, the ones with low rates don't have cities like this:

Milwaukee 24.2
Salinas (CA) 25.3
Hartford 25.7
Baton Rouge 26.2
Jackson 31.1
Birmingham 37.2
New Orleans 41.7
Detroit 43.8
Baltimore 55.4
St Louis 59.3

Philadelphia Has One of the Highest Murder Rates in America – Philadelphia Stats

Yep. Fortunately, the rates are going down.

 

[TLK Valentine]

There are a lot of reasons more men have guns than women. Just a few: Men hunt more.

We're not talking about having guns, we're talking about using them on crowds of innocent bystanders.
...but you already knew that.

Men are designed as protectors and are therefore, more interested in something that would enhance their ability to do so.

Because their "design" isn't adequate?

Men find themselves more often in dangerous environments. Etc.

Looks more like women find themselves in more dangerous situations... men may actively seek them out (and occasionally cause them) more often...

 

[bhsmte]

We're not talking about having guns, we're talking about using them on crowds of innocent bystanders.
...but you already knew that.




Because their "design" isn't adequate?




Looks more like women find themselves in more dangerous situations... men may actively seek them out (and occasionally cause them) more often...

Yea. I say give every women a gun, to keep from men snapping their bones.

 

[tall73]

Yep. Fortunately, the rates are going down.

Well, the rates were down about 47 percent from their historical highs. But the last few years that trend is unfortunately reversing again, largely due to a few cities just being totally out of control. Also mid size cities are showing an upturn in homicides as well.

 

[Aldebaran]

It would therefore follow that women, lacking a man's physical prowess, would be more likely to pick up a gun in order to even the odds... and yet, statistically speaking, far fewer do.

Maybe more of them should. They shouldn't have to be victimized by men who attack them. They claim to be equal to men, so why not have the ability to defend themselves from a man who tries attacking them?

 

[Almost there]

Well, the rates were down about 47 percent from their historical highs. But the last few years that trend is unfortunately reversing again, largely due to a few cities just being totally out of control. Also mid size cities are showing an upturn in homicides as well.

Yes, but the last election should help clean that up.

 

[bhsmte]

Yes, but the last election should help clean that up.

How?

 

[Almost there]

How?

We have a president that is less likely to support lawbreakers and not say things like "The police acted stupidly" or, regarding, Trayvon Martin, "That could have been my son."

Etc...

 

[Aldebaran]

We have a president that is less likely to support lawbreakers and not say things like "The police acted stupidly" or, regarding, Trayvon Martin, "That could have been my son."

Etc...

Actually, he said "If I had a son, he would have looked like Trayvon". I think that statement was actually rather insensitive to black people, as if to say that all people look alike. Just because the kid was black doesn't mean that Obama's offspring would have looked like him. I mean, I'm white, and if I had a son, I wouldn't say he looks like some other white kid just because they're both white.

 

[bhsmte]

We have a president that is less likely to support lawbreakers and not say things like "The police acted stupidly" or, regarding, Trayvon Martin, "That could have been my son."

Etc...

I still dont see any detail as to the how. Rhetoric, tends to fall short.

 

[bhsmte]

Actually, he said "If I had a son, he would have looked like Trayvon". I think that statement was actually rather insensitive to black people, as if to say that all people look alike. Just because the kid was black doesn't mean that Obama's offspring would have looked like him. I mean, I'm white, and if I had a son, I wouldn't say he looks like some other white kid just because they're both white.

I have said this before and will repeat it.

Obama never should have said that, because it inferred trayvon did nothing wrong and zimmerman was at fault. If anyone paid attention to the evidence in that case, you would see zimmerman was only charged, for political reasons.

 

[Aldebaran]

I have said this before and will repeat it.

Obama never should have said that, because it inferred trayvon did nothing wrong and zimmerman was at fault. If anyone paid attention to the evidence in that case, you would see zimmerman was only charged, for political reasons.

I understand. I was just throwing that out there about Obama's comment and how it made it sound as if all black people look alike. If a white politician would have said something like that about blacks, there would have been heck to pay.

 

[bhsmte]

I understand. I was just throwing that out there about Obama's comment and how it made it sound as if all black people look alike. If a white politician would have said something like that about blacks, there would have been heck to pay.

That is true.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Maybe more of them should. They shouldn't have to be victimized by men who attack them. They claim to be equal to men, so why not have the ability to defend themselves from a man who tries attacking them?

But why then aren't they committing more mass shootings? Clearly it's a lot more than just a mental health issue.

 

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[Aldebaran]

But why then aren't they committing more mass shootings? Clearly it's a lot more than just a mental health issue.

Such as what? Are you saying gender is the main culprit in causing a mass shooting?