It's Not Too Soon to Debate Gun Control

[Aldebaran]

I was talking to someone else at first, then you get into the act.

Again, your obsession with me is somewhat... disconcerting.

And vice versa.
However, you may or may not have noticed that you're not the only person I respond to on this site. You know there are others on this site, correct?

 

[tall73]

The problem I usually have with comparing the US with other countries, is size. England's population is roughly 66 million. America's population is 325 million. England's population is roughly California, and Texas in population. However, they still fall 1.3 million in population short of just two states out of 50, and do not even represent the other 48 states with an additional 259 million citizens in America.

So with almost 5 times the population, by stating that we have a violent crime rate somewhere around that of England, we have a vastly lower crime rate. Simply because we have 259 million more people, but almost the same amount of crime of only 66 million; which represents less than the population of only 2 of our states.

Let's take this into account. Take Englands current statistical data such as 1 in 5 murder for example, and plug in 5 times more people. Now how high has crime exploded in England?

No, unfortunately that is not the case. Homicide rates are different than total homicide numbers. Homicide rates are the number of homicides per 100k population.

Now there are still pitfalls of comparing different nations. Even accounting for those we have a higher rate.

England's method of calculation is rather strange though. They count when a case has gone through the courts and been ruled on already. It does not include unsolved cases. The United States looks at almost the opposite. The FBI figures look at police investigations that show signs of foul play. So ours are higher for that reason. But even adjusted we just kill more people.

 

[bhsmte]

Exactly. They don't have to.

Don't get me wrong. You can find a scrawney guy that any girl can whip. You can also find a guy with bigger "b**bs than many women.

It's why I said "generally". Pit any ten random couch potatoes against any random female body builders, and must of the men will win the fight. This is one of those dirty little secrets that feminists hate.

Disagree on female body builders vs joe couch potato. winning a fight, has more to do with motivation, than it does body size. In general, folks who bust their rear ends in the gym and are willing to push through the extreme discomfort of high intensity physical activity, are going to maximize their capabilities.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Disagree on female body builders vs joe couch potato. winning a fight, has more to do with motivation, than it does body size. In general, folks who bust their rear ends in the gym and are willing to push through the extreme discomfort of high intensity physical activity, are going to maximize their capabilities.

Besides, wouldn't the whole "women are the weaker sex" thing make them more inclined to pick up a gun? Colt's revolvers were called "the Equalizer" for a reason, after all...

 

[Aldebaran]

Besides, wouldn't the whole "women are the weaker sex" thing make them more inclined to pick up a gun? Colt's revolvers were called "the Equalizer" for a reason, after all...

It does if they're attacked. More women are carrying guns these days now that they're being allowed to. If a man doesn't want to get shot, he probably shouldn't be making any attempt to physically assault, or in any other way attempt to cause her to fear for her life.

 

[LostMarbels]

No, unfortunately that is not the case. Homicide rates are different than total homicide numbers. Homicide rates are the number of homicides per 100k population.

Yes, so 259 million people would represent an additional 2,590 units of 100K in population.

England's current rate is 11.68 murders in a million population. Americas 42.01 per million, but when you consider the rate of murder in England and include an additional 259 million in population their projected trend comes to 53.35 per million. Their trend becomes insane at our population level.

California 4.75 per million, Texas 4.79 per million = 9.54 per million for 67 million in population.

England 11.68 per million for 66 million in population. That's a rate of 2.4 per million more.

 

[bhsmte]

Yes, so 259 million people would represent an additional 2,590 units of 100K in population.

England's current rate is 11.68 murders in a million population. Americas 42.01 per million, but when you consider the rate of murder in England and include an additional 259 million in population their projected trend comes to 53.35 per million. Their trend becomes insane at our population level.

California 4.75 per million, Texas 4.79 per million = 9.54 per million for 67 million in population.

England 11.68 per million for 66 million in population. That's a rate of 2.4 per million more.

Those rates, already factor in per capita.

 

[LostMarbels]

Those rates, already factor in per capita.

Ok, please explain. Are you telling me every nation reports on a sliding scale in relation to others nations populations? I have not found this. Also if you have 3 people in ten that commit an act that represents a larger tendency then 3 in a hundred. We're talking about a huge difference in populations.

 

[bhsmte]

Ok, please explain. Are you telling me every nation reports on a sliding scale in relation to others nations populations? I have not found this. Also if you have 3 people in ten that commit an act that represents a larger tendency the 3 in a hundred. We're talking about a huge difference in populations.

All these types of stats, are in relation to the population. For instance, in the data that i posted, it was the murder rate, per 100,000 people.

 

[Almost there]

But even adjusted we just kill more people.

...In New Orleans, that's for sure.

 

[Almost there]

Disagree on female body builders vs joe couch potato. winning a fight, has more to do with motivation, than it does body size. In general, folks who bust their rear ends in the gym and are willing to push through the extreme discomfort of high intensity physical activity, are going to maximize their capabilities.

I do agree with that. However, I see the human body kinda like anything else designed. However, there are some parts you can easily improve (e.g. muscle mass) and other things that, barring surgery, you are pretty much stuck with (e.g. eyeballs, bone mass, brain). So a woman can be highly motivated, but once her arm is snapped or she's knocked unconscious, it's all for naught.

 

[TLK Valentine]

It does if they're attacked. More women are carrying guns these days now that they're being allowed to. If a man doesn't want to get shot, he probably shouldn't be making any attempt to physically assault, or in any other way attempt to cause her to fear for her life.

I can think of a lot of men in Las Vegas and Texas who didn't want to get shot.

I'm pretty sure the men (and women and children; mustn't forget them) in Orlando, Virginia Tech, Charleston, Sandy Hook school, etc... didn't have "get shot" on their bucket lists either...

 

[TLK Valentine]

I do agree with that. However, I see the human body kinda like anything else designed. However, there are some parts you can easily improve (e.g. muscle mass) and other things that, barring surgery, you are pretty much stuck with (e.g. eyeballs, bone mass, brain). So a woman can be highly motivated, but once her arm is snapped or she's knocked unconscious, it's all for naught.

Men's arms snap too.

...and they can also be knocked unconscious. We have an entire sport called "boxing" where the object is to do precisely that.

 

[TLK Valentine]

It's not too soon... but it's never going to happen.

 

[bhsmte]

I do agree with that. However, I see the human body kinda like anything else designed. However, there are some parts you can easily improve (e.g. muscle mass) and other things that, barring surgery, you are pretty much stuck with (e.g. eyeballs, bone mass, brain). So a woman can be highly motivated, but once her arm is snapped or she's knocked unconscious, it's all for naught.

Assuming arms are snapped and someone is unconscious, is quite the speculation.

 

[Almost there]

Men's arms snap too.

...and they can also be knocked unconscious. We have an entire sport called "boxing" where the object is to do precisely that.

Yes, but it is much more difficult for an "average sized" woman to break an "average sized" man's bones, Uma Thurman in Kill Bill notwithstanding. Women are structurally fragile, compared to men. It doesn't really take much strength to break one of their extremities, if that is one's goal.

 

[bhsmte]

Yes, but it is much more difficult for an "average sized" woman to break an "average sized" man's bones, Uma Thurman in Kill Bill notwithstanding. Women are structurally fragile, compared to men. It doesn't really take much strength to break one of their extremities, if that is one's goal.

Why is bone snapping required, to win a fight?

 

[Almost there]

Why is bone snapping required, to win a fight?

This got way off track. I was merely saying that a man is more powerful than a woman, even if he doesn't work out and she does.

 

[bhsmte]

This got way off track. I was merely saying that a man is more powerful than a woman, even if he doesn't work out and she does.

Wrong

 

[TLK Valentine]

This got way off track. I was merely saying that a man is more powerful than a woman, even if he doesn't work out and she does.

And you'd be incorrect -- if he doesn't work out and she does.