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So is it just me, or are some of the local bible scholar/science experts basically inventing non-biblical events to support their biblical version of history?

5 world-wide floods?

So, God had 1 - what were the other 4 for?

One for each of the main deities?
 
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That's just the thing. Through study, geologists, hydrologists, planetary scientists... all have a very good understanding of the earth's past and how we explain the evidence we see today.

Your ignorance does not trump their understanding.
If you say so, but they themselves aren’t so sure of it. So I think maybe, just maybe you are inflating that certainty just a little.

Why all we knew about planets is wrong
 
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Are you implying that there is a single sedimentary stratum that blankets the entire earth?

Reference please.
It’s your own geologists that claim they can date the earth and fossils by the order in which the strata was laid down, and confirm its consistency by existing worldwide. Are you implying they are incorrect?

It is funny - creationists generally attack the fact that there is not 100% uniform geologic column the world over, but here the resident expert on 'allies' and 'genetic strains' - and now, apparently geology - implying that there is one.
There is, and since each one is uniform the world over, which in your comment above wanted to argue against..... and is sedimentary.......

i think creationists should all meet and figure out which sides of arguments they should take.

You know, to avoid contradicting each other.
So should evolutionists, or is it Darwinism, Neo-Darwinism, Lankarianism, catastrophes, or millions of years or sudden change?



You want me to believe that you are the world's leading geology expert, and have even more clout that creationist geologists on this matter, such that you kow thatthere is a uniform stratum the world over?
Geologist agree with me, uniform sedimentary layers worldwide, remember. All in uniform consistent layers, remember...

Five world-wide floods?

Chapter and verse please.
The chapter of the creation, penned by God. Look up global extinctions....

Amazing - never heard that before - in fact, creationists argue AGAINST that!

References please.
Of course, just like the ignore what hayah means in Hebrew, the word they translate as “was”even when their own concordance doesn’t list that as any of its meanings.



Still waiting for a single uniform world-wide stratum that will contain the fossils of all the humans killed in the flood along with every other form of creature.
You see it, from the age of the dinosaurs onward. It just hasn’t formed into sedimentary rock yet, but is consistent as that’s how geologists say they can date things worldwide, remember?
 
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So is it just me, or are some of the local bible scholar/science experts basically inventing non-biblical events to support their biblical version of history?

5 world-wide floods?

So, God had 1 - what were the other 4 for?

One for each of the main deities?
Funny how some believe the works declare his glory, then refuse to consider the works at all. Look up mass extinctions, every one of which the fossils are contained in sedimentary strata, worldwide.

But don’t confuse the works as being penned by the same author as penned the Bible, we wouldn’t want to confuse the two I guess.
 
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Says the one that is in motion, with the same mindset as was the twin in motion, yet the twin was wrong about everything he believed, even if he thought he was correct.

I understand, it’s ok for you to ignore Relativity even if you claim to believe in it. Saying someone is not understanding without pointing out anything is childish.

A child says you are wrong, nana nana nana. An adult actually shows how. Show me how. Was the twin in motion right about anything at all? Name one observation he made that was correct?
It's called 'Relativity' because of the Principle of Relativity - which "requires physical laws to be the same for any body moving at constant velocity as they are for a body at rest (relative to some observer). A consequence is that an observer in an inertial reference frame cannot determine an absolute speed or direction of travel in space, and may only speak of speed or direction relative to some other object."

The reason that there is an age difference at their reunion is because one twin has changed his inertial frame at the point he turned around to come back; this makes a significant difference, as explained in this Minute Physics video:
 
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a NASA source?

Lets get some peer reviewing.

NASA is maintaining the lie with your TAX
-_- oh my gosh, I was pointing out that they couldn't have faked the photo in the first place, and you straight up ignore me by saying that they faked it and you don't even address the fact that the equipment needed to fake it didn't exist in 1969. And remember, the moon landing was televised at the time, and recorded by multiple people with no affiliation with it, so no retroactive editing down the line.



No other country has gone to place a bigger flag next the USA.
China did that with an unmanned rover, what would they need a person for to do that?

The technology NASA went to the moon in is like a tin can now.

Shouldn't cost much.
It would cost 1.5 billion US dollars for a two person mission with modern technology. From what I can find, NASA's budget in 2016 was 18.5 billion dollars. But why waste money sending more people to the moon when you could send things to places less explored? Why put in extra money for it to be manned instead of unmanned, which is less expensive and dangerous? To get people like you to stop saying the original moon landings were faked? As if you wouldn't just say the recent ones were faked too.
 
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-_- oh my gosh, I was pointing out that they couldn't have faked the photo in the first place, and you straight up ignore me by saying that they faked it and you don't even address the fact that the equipment needed to fake it didn't exist in 1969. And remember, the moon landing was televised at the time, and recorded by multiple people with no affiliation with it, so no retroactive editing down the line.

You claim NASA didn't faked it, and use NASA as the source for evidence to refute the claim NASA faked it.

I'm asking you to provide "The light issue: Can you show me the source that the lighting you mentioned is a requirement to successfully fake."

Regarding TV, you know those really low resolution UFO videos?

TV: ". A typical NTSC broadcast signal's visible portion has an equivalent resolution of 449 x 483 rectangular pixels" Technology of television - Wikipedia

VCD is around the same pixel count as NTSC

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China did that with an unmanned rover, what would they need a person for to do that?

To validate the claim by NASA that astronauts went to the moon.

By a country like Iran - but If they claimed NASA didn't send man to the moon, you'd be suspicious right?

The validation of unmanned probes can be faked by CGI.

I'm waiting for civilian moon adventures

It would cost 1.5 billion US dollars for a two person mission with modern technology. From what I can find, NASA's budget in 2016 was 18.5 billion dollars. But why waste money sending more people to the moon when you could send things to places less explored? Why put in extra money for it to be manned instead of unmanned, which is less expensive and dangerous? To get people like you to stop saying the original moon landings were faked? As if you wouldn't just say the recent ones were faked too.

I really don't want NASA to go back in a manned mission to prove NASA.

No one else (man) has set foot on the moon.

Only American freemasons have gone to the moon, in a tin can, in a film studio on the earth.
 
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Are you submitting these scars as evidence of a global flood?

I thought you guys were saying there wasn't any evidence?

Make up my mind, will you?
They are evidence that there was no global flood. If God sought to conceal the evidence of his work, why did he leave all this contrary evidence?
 
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They are evidence that there was no global flood. If God sought to conceal the evidence of his work, why did he leave all this contrary evidence?
"Conceal," "interfere," "erase evidence" ... it's no wonder you guys don't understand.

Had God not [concealed, interfered, erased evidence] we wouldn't be here.

Or maybe He just ... you know ... cleaned up the mess?
 
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Still waiting for a single uniform world-wide stratum that will contain the fossils of all the humans killed in the flood along with every other form of creature.
Grave robbers (scientists) can't find 2 million Jews who lived and died in the wilderness ... even given their itinerary (book of Numbers).
 
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"Conceal," "interfere," "erase evidence" ... it's no wonder you guys don't understand.

Had God not [concealed, interfered, erased evidence] we wouldn't be here.

Or maybe He just ... you know ... cleaned up the mess?
My list is of the mess he left unaddressed.
 
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It's called 'Relativity' because of the Principle of Relativity - which "requires physical laws to be the same for any body moving at constant velocity as they are for a body at rest (relative to some observer). A consequence is that an observer in an inertial reference frame cannot determine an absolute speed or direction of travel in space, and may only speak of speed or direction relative to some other object."

The reason that there is an age difference at their reunion is because one twin has changed his inertial frame at the point he turned around to come back; this makes a significant difference, as explained in this Minute Physics video:

That is so much pseudoscience it isn’t even funny. I mean please, we have observed clocks slowing aboard airplanes, and they certainly needed no frame switching at their turn around point to do so. It was changes in velocity, and changes in velocity alone which caused those clocks to slow. You don’t even understand the actual experiments performed, instead spout pseudoscience touted long before any actual experiments were performed.

And no the laws are not the same, except for observers moving at the same relative velocity.

“Special principle of relativity: If a system of coordinates K is chosen so that, in relation to it, physical laws hold good in their simplest form, the same laws hold good in relation to any other system of coordinates K' moving in uniform translation relatively to K.”

Only if the systems are moving in relative motion with respect to one another do the laws of physics hold good. Your understanding of relativity is flawed.

“The laws of motion in non-inertial frames do not take the simple form they do in inertial frames, and the laws vary from frame to frame depending on the acceleration.“

Your belief holds no merit, only when two observers move in relative motion (the same approximate velocity) in an inertial frame, do the laws of physics hold good in both frames. In a non-inertial frame the laws vary depending upon the acceleration.

Hence clocks slow as well as decay rates under acceleration. Their is no pseudoscience of switching frames at turn around, as explicit empirical tests performed in airplanes have shown. It is changes in velocity, and changes in velocity alone which cause clocks to slow.

And least understand Relativity before you make claims you can’t support.
 
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Your list, as far as I'm concerned, is nonsense.
Duly noted. You do not consider the presence of unconformities, disconformities, fault zones, sediments arranged in discernible environments of deposition, and astroblemes to be of any signficance.

And the consistency remains intact.

Stupidity can take a hike.
 
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Funny how some believe the works declare his glory, then refuse to consider the works at all. Look up mass extinctions, every one of which the fossils are contained in sedimentary strata, worldwide.

But don’t confuse the works as being penned by the same author as penned the Bible, we wouldn’t want to confuse the two I guess.

I suppose that the K-T extinction is the best known example. Are you proposing that it was caused by a worldwide flood?
 
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Only one problem with the K-T boundary. All the dinosaurs went extinct before it, not a single dinosaur fossil can be found in that layer or even immediately after it. And every single one but maybe a few hundred are found in sedimentary layers before it.

To date, only one, count them, one fossil has been found just before the K-T layer.

But perhaps, just perhaps, if evolutionary supporters did their research first before just accepting everything they were told to believe, they might have discovered this for themselves. Perhaps, but I won’t hold my breath on any evolutionist thinking for themselves.
 
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