Another Flood Question

[tas8831]

If the account of the Worldwide Flood wasn’t in Genesis... would it be a conventional scientific theory today?

No, since all evidence contradicts a single, world-wide flood.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

No, since all evidence contradicts a single, world-wide flood.

And so all this sedimentary strata was deposited by local floods?

You want me to believe that local floods that we observe today deposit each their own type of strata and then this magically transforms into the same type of strata all over the world in the exact same layers?

Is this really what you want people to believe? It’s one thing to say yes, there was a worldwide flood that deposited the same type of strata everywhere, all over the globe, but it’s not from Noah’s flood. And another to just stick ones head in the sand to ignore it happened.

The evidence is overwhelming, not to one worldwide flood, but five of them. Every fossil layers is deposited in the exact same sedimentary strata, impossible for local flooding events because we observe local floods depositing specific strata appropriate to each region. And only locally, not globally.

 

[Jimmy D]

You want me to believe that local floods that we observe today deposit each their own type of strata and then this magically transforms into the same type of strata all over the world in the exact same layers?

Did someone say all sedimentary strata are formed by local floods?

 

[Justatruthseeker]

Did someone say all sedimentary strata are formed by local floods?

If it wasn’t a global flood, then the only other option is local floods....... but yes, in other posts that’s what the evolutionists always resort to....

But if your going to comment at least address the post. So how did this sedimentary strata form all over the globe, if not by global flooods

 

[Jimmy D]

If it wasn’t a global flood, then the only other option is local floods

No one then.

but yes, in other posts that’s what the evolutionists always resort to....

I don't believe you.

But if your going to comment at least address the post. So how did this sedimentary strata form all over the globe, if not by global flooods

Not a geologist eh?

Sedimentary rock - Wikipedia

Sedimentary rocks are types of rock that are formed by the deposition and subsequent cementation of that material at the Earth's surface and within bodies of water. Sedimentation is the collective name for processes that cause mineral or organic particles (detritus) to settle in place. The particles that form a sedimentary rock by accumulating are called sediment. Before being deposited, the sediment was formed by weathering and erosion from the source area, and then transported to the place of deposition by water, wind, ice, mass movement or glaciers, which are called agents of denudation. Sedimentation may also occur as minerals precipitate from water solution or shells of aquatic creatures settle out of suspension.

 

[inquiring mind]

No, since all evidence contradicts a single, world-wide flood.

By the way, I agree the answer to my question, as worded, is “No”. Most conventional scientists would fall back on the old “you can’t explain how a global flood happened scientifically (according to our understanding), so it didn’t happen” argument. This after the bible tells us there was total earth upheaval and deluge with possible hurricanes and asteroid collisions all at once (the “Hand of God”)... all done on His timeline and rates, not ours... and yet many still presume they can determine just how things happened from what is seen today, or even more unreasonable, what didn’t happen and doubting God’s word based on our limited understanding.

 

[essentialsaltes]

By the way, I agree the answer to my question, as worded, is “No”. Most conventional scientists would fall back on the old “you can’t explain how a global flood happened scientifically (according to our understanding), so it didn’t happen” argument. This after the bible tells us there was total earth upheaval and deluge with possible hurricanes and asteroid collisions all at once

Oh, you're saying there should be even more evidence of something cataclysmic?

Too bad there isn't any.

 

[AV1611VET]

Clearly, if you're going to claim that God interfered after the event to remove evidence, there's little point describing the lack of evidence for the event - God could have erased all evidence that it happened.

Why do you call it "interfering" and "erasing evidence", as if God did something bad?

I call it "cleaning up His mess."

Should God have left a scar behind on purpose when He took one of Adam's ribs?

 

[inquiring mind]

Oh, you're saying there should be even more evidence of something cataclysmic?

Too bad there isn't any.

Nope... I'm saying we don't understand.

 

[Ophiolite]

Why do you call it "interfering" and "erasing evidence", as if God did something bad?

I call it "cleaning up His mess."

Should God have left a scar behind on purpose when He took one of Adam's ribs?

He left the following scars:

• Hundreds of unconfomities
• Thousands of disconformities
• Hundreds of bolide craters
• Thousands of fault zones
• Tens of thousands of lava flows interbedded with sediments
• Countless discernible suites of sediments defining ancient lakes, flood plains, deltas, deserts, playas, beaches, coral reefs and more.

There are four options:

• He did this deliberately
• He was incompetent
• He was not involved other than setting in train the workings of the universe
  
• He does not exist

I have no idea why you cannot opt for the first or the third, but instead believe in an unsupported fifth "option" that the evidence (the scars) does not exist.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Nope... I'm saying we don't understand.

That's just the thing. Through study, geologists, hydrologists, planetary scientists... all have a very good understanding of the earth's past and how we explain the evidence we see today.

Your ignorance does not trump their understanding.

 

[inquiring mind]

That's just the thing. Through study, geologists, hydrologists, planetary scientists... all have a very good understanding of the earth's past and how we explain the evidence we see today.

Your ignorance does not trump their understanding.

Nope, it doesn't... but God's word and understanding does.

 

[AV1611VET]

He left the following scars:

Are you submitting these scars as evidence of a global flood?

I thought you guys were saying there wasn't any evidence?

Make up my mind, will you?

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

...It’s quite obvious that to the accelerating twin the stationary twin decays faster. The accelerating twin would be wrong if he used his clocks to try to determine the age of the stationary twin. We already know he was wrong.

As a matter of fact, he couldn’t get anything correct. He thought his clocks had not changed, that the stationary twin was the one in motion, and that the stationary twins clocks ticked slower, when they never changed at all.

So you want me to what, accept the conclusion of the twin in motion that couldn’t get anything correct about time at all?

Repeating your misunderstanding of Special Relativity doesn't help your argument, whatever it is.

 

[AV1611VET]

Repeating your misunderstanding of Special Relativity doesn't help your argument, whatever it is.

Kinda like educatees suspending relativity to claim the Joshua passage as a reference to geocentrism, isn't it?

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Why do you call it "interfering" and "erasing evidence", as if God did something bad?

There was no implication of good or bad, right or wrong.

I call it "cleaning up His mess."

Good for you; and a good example to all Godly people. A God who cleans up His mess is second only to a God who doesn't make a mess in the first place

Should God have left a scar behind on purpose when He took one of Adam's ribs?

You tell me - it's your mythology. The same caveats apply to that as to the flood 'clean-up' - no evidence of a flood, no evidence of a missing rib; they could just as easily have claimed God took Adam's leg bone... (although it seems possible the story was derived from Sumerian mythology of Ninti - 'Lady of the Rib' or 'Lady of Life', where the same word means 'rib' and 'life').

 

[Justatruthseeker]

No one then.



I don't believe you.



Not a geologist eh?

Sedimentary rock - Wikipedia

Sedimentary rocks are types of rock that are formed by the deposition and subsequent cementation of that material at the Earth's surface and within bodies of water. Sedimentation is the collective name for processes that cause mineral or organic particles (detritus) to settle in place. The particles that form a sedimentary rock by accumulating are called sediment. Before being deposited, the sediment was formed by weathering and erosion from the source area, and then transported to the place of deposition by water, wind, ice, mass movement or glaciers, which are called agents of denudation. Sedimentation may also occur as minerals precipitate from water solution or shells of aquatic creatures settle out of suspension.

You didn’t answer my question. I know how sedimentation works. I asked you how it happens everywhere across the entire globe with the same material in the same layers, when no place on earth has that occurring in our observational history? The sediment being laid down in Britain, is not the same as that being laid down in Australia, or America....

 

[Justatruthseeker]

Repeating your misunderstanding of Special Relativity doesn't help your argument, whatever it is.

Says the one that is in motion, with the same mindset as was the twin in motion, yet the twin was wrong about everything he believed, even if he thought he was correct.

I understand, it’s ok for you to ignore Relativity even if you claim to believe in it. Saying someone is not understanding without pointing out anything is childish.

A child says you are wrong, nana nana nana. An adult actually shows how. Show me how. Was the twin in motion right about anything at all? Name one observation he made that was correct?

 

[Justatruthseeker]

What evidence should we observe of a flood? Changes in the fossil types that lived? No, the same animals that existed before the flood were brought through it. No new life had to be created as in the other 5 extinction events by global flood. Just the observance of six new creations, one to start and then one after each extinction event.

I don’t expect to see new life appear after Noah’s flood, the same life before it was brought through it. There should be no evidence except sedimentary evidence, of which there are plenty.

 

[tas8831]

And so all this sedimentary strata was deposited by local floods?

Are you implying that there is a single sedimentary stratum that blankets the entire earth?

Reference please.

It is funny - creationists generally attack the fact that there is not 100% uniform geologic column the world over, but here the resident expert on 'allies' and 'genetic strains' - and now, apparently geology - implying that there is one.

i think creationists should all meet and figure out which sides of arguments they should take.

You know, to avoid contradicting each other.

You want me to believe that local floods that we observe today deposit each their own type of strata and then this magically transforms into the same type of strata all over the world in the exact same layers?

You want me to believe that you are the world's leading geology expert, and have even more clout that creationist geologists on this matter, such that you kow thatthere is a uniform stratum the world over?

The evidence is overwhelming, not to one worldwide flood, but five of them.

Five world-wide floods?

Chapter and verse please.

Every fossil layers is deposited in the exact same sedimentary strata,

Amazing - never heard that before - in fact, creationists argue AGAINST that!

References please.

impossible for local flooding events because we observe local floods depositing specific strata appropriate to each region. And only locally, not globally.

Still waiting for a single uniform world-wide stratum that will contain the fossils of all the humans killed in the flood along with every other form of creature.