Let's see if Selfsim is big enough to admit his mistake now and lets see if you are big enough to admit that you just made up that .5=1 nonsense now.
Ya, I didn't think so.
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Let's see if Selfsim is big enough to admit his mistake now and lets see if you are big enough to admit that you just made up that .5=1 nonsense now.
Who are you trying to kid.What happens now is I admit my rather silly mistake. Unlike you two I'm actually capable of admitting my mistakes and I didn't do the full calculations to check my statement in that case. That was in fact my fault, unlike the pure BS that you make up on a constant basis.
Let's see if Selfsim is big enough to admit his mistake now and lets see if you are big enough to admit that you just made up that .5=1 nonsense now.
So you think Britney is still hot and I won't admit to my past mistake of thinking she was?Ya, I didn't think so.![]()
Who are you trying to kid.
Admitting you make “mistakes” while simultaneously hurling personal insults at me indicates how “sincere” you are.
You are only admitting the “mistake” because even you can’t lie your way out of this one.
All your posts degenerate into lie fests because you can never admit of being wrong when your errors are pointed out.
Blaming me for your 1=0.5 fiasco is a case in point.
You made three separate calculations resulting in exactly the same “mistake” each time.
That’s because you think redshift is the difference in frequency.
Now you are trying cover up your incompetence by suggesting it was nothing more than an error in calculation.
The facts are Michael your incompetence shows up in every one of your posts, you are in no position of criticizing mainstream theory when you clearly don’t even understand what you are criticizing.
Your miscomprehension of redshift, like your “1=0.5” nonsense is only the tip of the iceberg.
Due to your continuing behaviour of being blatantly dishonest I also declare my future posts in this thread to be a Michael free zone.
So you think Britney is still hot and I won't admit to my past mistake of thinking she was?![]()
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So in spite of the humour, Michael persists with two outright lies:
i) His claim that he "fixed my mistake": The only mistake I made was a typo and was acknowledged as being such, by myself, (multiple times over), and at the time, Michael even then accepted and acknowledged it as a typo (see here for one instance);
and;
ii) Michael's denials that his 'logic' did not directly produce the stunningly absurd conclusion that "1=0.5". (See here). Even worse however, was that he then went on, (for tens of pages), by continuing to attempt to defend this utter nonsense .. (ie: talk about not admitting his mistakes, eh? )
Huh?Michael said:Nope. I fixed his math error and I simplified the formula too. The fact you keep repeating the same lie just speaks to your lack of ethics as well as the fact you hide behind an anonymous handle while doing it.sjastro said:You made three separate calculations resulting in exactly the same “mistake” each time.
Huh?
What on earth is Michael on about?
sjastro said:Blaming me for your 1=0.5 fiasco is a case in point.
Selfsim said:ii) Michael's denials that his 'logic' did not directly produce the stunningly absurd conclusion that "1=0.5". (See here). Even worse however, was that he then went on, (for tens of pages), by continuing to attempt to defend this utter nonsense .. (ie: talk about not admitting his mistakes, eh? )
Michael said:FYI, the real standard deviation (sigma) would be 0.5(sqrt(6)) which is in fact 1.2247+.
From a survey of papers published since the 2010 Hawkins paper (referred to in the OP), it appears that there is a serious issue which demonstrates that the period of measured quasar light curves, may actually be random.You aren't fooling anyone. We all know why you keep derailing the threads. You have absolutely no logical *scientific* explanation as to why your precious creation mythology failed a simple time dilation test related to quasars ...
From a survey of papers published since the 2010 Hawkins paper (referred to in the OP), it appears that there is a serious issue which demonstrates that the period of measured quasar light curves, may actually be random.
Where this is so, it is not possible to measure time dilation, and thus there is no case to answer in the first place.
See: False periodicities in quasar time-domain surveys (S. Vaughan,1⋆ P. Uttley,2 etal. 2016)Care to cite a few of those papers for us?
Where so, the above removes the time dilation issue. Ie: where periodicity in a time varying light curve cannot be clearly isolated, (due to its random nature - explained by stochastic processes), time dilation also cannot be measured.Vaughan etal said:There have recently been several reports of apparently periodic variations in the light curves of quasars, e.g. PG 1302−102 by Graham et al. (2015a). Any quasar showing periodic oscillations in brightness would be a strong candidate to be a close binary supermassive black hole and, in turn, a candidate for gravitational wave studies. However, normal quasars powered by accretion onto a single, supermassive black hole usually show stochastic variability over a wide range of timescales. It is therefore important to carefully assess the methods for identifying periodic candidates from among a population dominated by stochastic variability. Using a Bayesian analysis of the light curve of PG 1302−102, we find that a simple stochastic process is preferred over a sinusoidal variations. We then discuss some of the problems one encounters when searching for rare, strictly periodic signals among a large number of irregularly sampled, stochastic time series, and use simulations of quasar light curves to illustrate these points. From a few thousand simulations of steep spectrum (‘red noise’) stochastic processes, we find many simulations that display few-cycle periodicity like that seen in PG 1302−102. We emphasise the importance of calibrating the false positive rate when the number of targets in a search is very large.
(Apologies for the link not working ..)Good paper SelfSim.
For some reason your link resulted in a "failed to load pdf document" error.
This link however works,
https://lra.le.ac.uk/bitstream/2381/38623/2/MNRAS-2016-Vaughan-3145-52.pdf
Yep .. I think you may be right about that!sjastro said:It's blatantly obvious to anyone who understands the relationship between period lengthening of a light curve and cosmological time dilation, that stochastic models and sinusoidal curve fitting techniques cannot resolve the presence or absence of time dilation.
It's obvious that Hawkins jumped the gun and explains your observation why mainstream have lost interest in the subject.
(Apologies for the link not working ..)
Yep .. I think you may be right about that!
Hawkins seems to have assumed that the light curves he analysed were periodic when it has been shown for many, (where sufficient measurement data exists), that it is extremely difficult to distinguish periodicities from randomness in the curves. Hawkins (2010) employed fourier analysis to produce spectral energy distributions, which he then compared for differing redshift quasars. In the light of the Vaughan/Uttley 2016 etal paper, ('False periodicities in quasar time-domain surveys'), this would now appear to have been a pretty risky assumption. There are other recent papers which reinforce this viewpoint, too.
Its a pity Hawkins' paper was seized upon by so many crank amateurs and it clearly didn't attract the same following across mainstream professional astronomers.
(Apologies for the link not working ..)
Yep .. I think you may be right about that!
Hawkins seems to have assumed that the light curves he analysed were periodic when it has been shown for many, (where sufficient measurement data exists), that it is extremely difficult to distinguish periodicities from randomness in the curves. Hawkins (2010) employed fourier analysis to produce spectral energy distributions, which he then compared for differing redshift quasars. In the light of the Vaughan/Uttley 2016 etal paper, ('False periodicities in quasar time-domain surveys'), this would now appear to have been a pretty risky assumption. There are other recent papers which reinforce this viewpoint, too.
Its a pity Hawkins' paper was seized upon by so many crank amateurs and it clearly didn't attract the same following across mainstream professional astronomers.
Since Hawkins believes that micro lensing is a potential cause for the absence of time dilation, the MACHO survey is probably not surprising to the author.
Needless to say the Hawkins paper is at least seven years old and has been replaced by modern research which tells a different story.
If there is any interest I will discuss the mathematical connection between an expanding Universe and cosmological time dilation which leads to a physical interpretation for cosmological time dilation.
Yep .. sure.The Hawkins paper is here.
The data is gathered from two main sources.
(1) Photographic plates from the UK Schmidt Telescope at the Anglo Australian Telescope in the period 1975-2002.
(2) The MACHO survey designed to measure micro lensing effects in the Magellanic Clouds.
As any amateur photometrist would tell you the use of photographic emulsions to measure light variations that was used in (1) is vastly inferior to CCD technology.
Photographic emulsions suffer from reciprocity failure in the long exposures required for imaging Quasars resulting in noisier images increasing the risk of photometric errors as recognized by Hawkins.
He doesn't seem to have raised the topic of quasars again since the 2010 paper, so I guess its possible even he may have also changed his initial views on microlensing being at cause, too(?)sjastro said:Since Hawkins believes that micro lensing is a potential cause for the absence of time dilation, the MACHO survey is probably not surprising to the author.
Yep .. I agree and I suspect the armchair cranks will also never allow him to change his initial views on possible causes either (because they're addicted to all the 'good bits'!?)sjastro said:Hawkins states explicitly the lack of time dilation does not support a static Universe a fact that seems to be conveniently omitted by armchair pet theorists who are only interested in cherry picking the good bits.
There have been so many survey papers since, its hard to name them all here!sjastro said:Needless to say the Hawkins paper is at least seven years old and has been replaced by modern research which tells a different story.
I'm interested .. feel free to go ahead (if you can find some spare time .. much appreciated).sjastro said:If there is any interest I will discuss the mathematical connection between an expanding Universe and cosmological time dilation which leads to a physical interpretation for cosmological time dilation.