Did Paul consider himself a "sinner", are we supposed to think of ourselves as sinners...?

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I already told you in #479. It was talking about the trouble we have with only the Law, before Christ died.

I've lost where you were going with that. Sorry. Meanwhile, I have to go...

Back...

Yes, I just checked 479. I simply disagree with your assertion in that post. I thought that is what I was doing in my comments on that post.

 

[SBC]

You believe talking about the difference between willful sins and unintentional sins is hogwash. I don't. Scripture shows the difference. I said I do not commit willful sins.

1stcenturylady said: ↑
Right, we do not commit sins anymore, because the desire is dead.

we do not commit sins anymore
I do not commit willful sins

but you do commit "unintentional" sins?

God Bless,
SBC

 

[SeventyOne]

Where you say God is accusing, I only find man, and specifically named, is the accuser.
You explain how God is the supposed accuser.

God Bless,
SBC

Because it's written in scripture that Peter stood condemned (Galatians 2:11), which is inspired of God.

If you want to make the claim Galatians isn't scripture that was inspired by God, then you are left with Paul making a false accusation against Peter. That's also a sin, which puts you right back to square one again.

 

[SBC]

'cept of course when Paul specifically says that what he is saying is NOT of God, but him speaking.

'cept of course when Paul specifically says that what he is saying is NOT of God, but him speaking.

No exception, I already included that in my reply:

men speaking His word, on behalf of God, on behalf of themselves

God Bless,
SBC

 

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No exception, I already included that in my reply:

men speaking His word, on behalf of God, on behalf of themselves

God Bless,
SBC

How do you know? And why don't we staple our preachers' sermons to the end of the bible?

 

[1stcenturylady]

but you do commit "unintentional" sins?

God Bless,
SBC

I imagine I could.

 

[SBC]

Because it's written in scripture that Peter stood condemned (Galatians 2:11), which is inspired of God.

[/QUOTE]If you want to make the claim Galatians isn't scripture that was inspired by God,[/QUOTE]

I have made no such claim.

then you are left with Paul making a false accusation against Peter.

Paul did not make a false accusation, Peter, did what men accused him of, men condemned ie publicly expressed their disapproval.

That's also a sin, which puts you right back to square one again.

I disagree. Men do not sin against men. Men disapproved of Peter's behavior toward other men. Men disapproved of Peter's behavior. THAT is between men.

Again, how did that have anything whatsoever to do with Peter's not believing in God?
Because again, sin against God is disbelief in God.

God Bless,
SBC

 

[1stcenturylady]

but you do commit "unintentional" sins?

God Bless,
SBC

1 John 1:7

What type of sins would you commit while walking in the Spirit? Certainly, not willful. But, it still says the blood of Jesus cleanses you from all sin.

 

[SBC]

How do you know? And why don't we staple our preachers' sermons to the end of the bible?

Isn't necessary. It is Gods Truth, Word, Wisdom, Understanding God desires us to have.
And it is the indwelling Spirit of Truth that carries on teaching, where the written word ended.

God Bless,
SBC

 

[SeventyOne]

If you want to make the claim Galatians isn't scripture that was inspired by God,[/QUOTE]

I have made no such claim.



Paul did not make a false accusation, Peter, did what men accused him of, men condemned ie publicly expressed their disapproval.



I disagree. Men do not sin against men. Men disapproved of Peter's behavior toward other men. Men disapproved of Peter's behavior. THAT is between men.

Again, how did that have anything whatsoever to do with Peter's not believing in God?
Because again, sin against God is disbelief in God.

God Bless,
SBC[/QUOTE]

Actually, sin is anything that doesn't proceed from faith (Romans 14:23).

And when you make the claim that God didn't accuse Peter of his sin, you deny the accusation in scripture was inspired by God. You can't have it both ways. Pick one.

 

[SBC]

1 John 1:7

What type of sins would you commit while walking in the Spirit? Certainly, not willful. But, it still says the blood of Jesus cleanses you from all sin.

NONE.

God Bless,
SBC

 

[1stcenturylady]

NONE.

God Bless,
SBC

Then do you agree that if you commit willful sin you are NOT walking in the Spirit?

 

[SBC]

Actually, sin is anything that doesn't proceed from faith (Romans 14:23).

And when you make the claim that God didn't accuse Peter of his sin, you deny the accusation in scripture was inspired by God. You can't have it both ways. Pick one.

First of all -
yes I said God was not Peter's accuser.
Scripture itself identifies Peter's accuser.

And WHY ARE YOU, making denial claims for me?
I didn't make that claim, YOU DID.

Of course I "can't" have it "both" ways.
I didn't make both claims!


Rom 14
[23] And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

Further ~ This scripture does NOT apply to me. This scripture applies to whosoever is not of faith.

I have been very clear, my faithfulness is to God. uh, that IS of faith!

God Bless,
SBC

 

[SBC]

Then do you agree that if you commit willful sin you are NOT walking in the Spirit?

I would say, IF you are NOT born of God, you are still sin, and commit sin.

God Bless,
SBC

 

[GenemZ]

Christ commanded, "Be perfect, even as your Father in heaven is perfect"; in Luke's version, "Be merciful, even as Your Father is merciful". What does St. Paul say? "Be imitators of God".

To fall short, to miss the mark, that's sin.

How did Jesus walk? In other words... How did "God" walk?

Jesus Christ walked constantly in the filling of the Spirit and in Truth of the Word of God. That is what we need to imitate. We need to be constantly growing in knowledge of the Word for us to grow in Christ!

Now..

What could Jesus not do, that we can? Sin...

That is why its vitally important to understand about confessing when we sin, as to not waste time not being filled with the Spirit. (1 John 1:7-10)

Some here assume that we can no longer sin.

If that were true? We would not need to be told to be imitators of the Lord. For we would be automatically be like the Lord was as he walked as humanity if we could no longer sin.

 

[SBC]

I imagine I could.

You without the power of God in you, most definitely.
You with the power of God in you, How could that be so?

God Bless,
SBC

 

[1stcenturylady]

I would say, IF you are NOT born of God, you are still sin, and commit sin.

God Bless,
SBC

We are not quite saying the same thing.

"If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit." You can choose not to walk in the Spirit, and commit willful sin. So is that willful sin forgiven if you don't walk in the Spirit that was given you. It is called quenching the Spirit.

 

[1stcenturylady]

You without the power of God in you, most definitely.
You with the power of God in you, How could that be so?

God Bless,
SBC

#577 just posted

 

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Then do you agree that if you commit willful sin you are NOT walking in the Spirit?

Actually, I'd agree with that.

Kinda like when I'm driving to work and look down to tune the radio and go off in the shoulder you could say I'm not driving on the road. But fortunately, most of my journey is ON the road and on the RIGHT road.

 

[GenemZ]

1 John 1:7

What type of sins would you commit while walking in the Spirit? Certainly, not willful. But, it still says the blood of Jesus cleanses you from all sin.

Actually.... the Greek of 1 John 1:9 says God cleanses not only sins we confess. But cleanses us also from all "unrighteousness/wrongdoing."

Why? For once we sin (unintentionally) or (intentionally) we lose the filling of the Spirit.
We at that moment we sin lose the control over our walk by the Spirit who becomes grieved.

When we sin unintentionally? That means we are no longer under the control of the Spirit. Meaning? We will be walking according to our 'flesh.' And, what would walking according to our flesh produce? It will eventually produce a sin that we will recognize. A sin we know is sin.

So? If we confess the sins we recognize? What else does God do? He forgives, yes.. But, He also purifies us of all the 'wrongdoing' we had done while not under the control of the Holy Spirit! Its a double cleansing of both known, and the unknown.

1 John 1:9

"If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive
us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."​

The word 'sin' does not appear in the Greek at the end of that verse. At that point, God cleanses us of all the wrongdoing we committed during the time the Spirit was not controlling us.

Irony has it... the sin we confess and are forgiven for? It may have not been the sin that got us there to that sin we confessed. "He cleanses us from all unrighteousness"... not just the sins we recognize and confess..

That is how we need to remain always growing in truth. Always quick to name a recognized sin to God...QUICK! and keep moving in the filling of the Spirit knowing you are forgiven.

For as we grow in grace we will learn more knowledge about sins that we had no idea were sins.. as we continue to grow in grace and knowledge of God's Word.

2 Peter 3:18

But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior
Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and forever! Amen.


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