Did Paul consider himself a "sinner", are we supposed to think of ourselves as sinners...?

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They seem to contradict don't they. But read 1 John 4:1-3 and you'll get a clue as to whom John is talking about in 1 John 1:6,8,10. In chapter one, only verse 7 applies to a true Christian, which corresponds to 1 John 3:9 and doesn't contradict.

BTW, I sent my testimony to your inbox

I see all of the scriptures you posted as compatible with the "nobody is sinless" message. And I strongly agree with you regarding verse 7 of chapter one where it says, "...and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from every sin."

So, though we may still sin, Jesus is faithful and true and cleanses us from those sins. We are free to live for him, not sweating bullets every time we screw up.

 

[SBC]

What do you believe? our flesh can still sin

I have said nor implied any such thing.

However I have repeatedly said.

I believe we ( BODY< SOUL< SPIRIT ) are FORGIVEN OUR SINS BY GOD, AND SIN NO MORE.

God Bless,
SBC

 

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I have said nor implied any such thing.

However I have repeatedly said.

I believe we ( BODY< SOUL< SPIRIT ) are FORGIVEN OUR SINS BY GOD, AND SIN NO MORE.

God Bless,
SBC

I think the argument is over what "and sin no more" means. I compare it to "nobody goes there any more because it's too crowded". If you get my drift.

 

[1stcenturylady]

I see all of the scriptures you posted as compatible with the "nobody is sinless" message. And I strongly agree with you regarding verse 7 of chapter one where it says, "...and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from every sin."

So, though we may still sin, Jesus is faithful and true and cleanses us from those sins. We are free to live for him, not sweating bullets every time we screw up.

But you cannot apply willful sins to those future sins that are covered. Do you see that or not? If you are walking in the Spirit, the Spirit will not lead you into rebellious sins. That is what chapter 3 means when it says a Christian doesn't commit (willful) sins.

 

[SBC]

It was plainly laid out in the scripture I quoted.

"And the rest of the Jews acted hypocritically along with him, so that even Barnabas was led astray by their hypocrisy."

Peter was committing the sin of hypocrisy.

Peter was forgiven of his sins. And crucified with Christ.

What sin does a dead body commit against God?
And what sin was God accusing Peter of?

God Bless,
SBC

 

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But you cannot apply willful sins to those future sins that are covered. Do you see that or not?

The only sins I commit that I know about are willful. So yes, I believe those are covered. I believe that is what Paul is talking about in Romans 9. He KNOWS what he has done is a sin. i.e. he committed sin willfully.

 

[1stcenturylady]

I have said nor implied any such thing.

However I have repeatedly said.

I believe we ( BODY< SOUL< SPIRIT ) are FORGIVEN OUR SINS BY GOD, AND SIN NO MORE.

God Bless,
SBC

Right, we literally do not commit sins anymore, because the desire is dead.

 

[1stcenturylady]

The only sins I commit that I know about are willful. So yes, I believe those are covered. I believe that is what Paul is talking about in Romans 9. He KNOWS what he has done is a sin. i.e. he committed sin willfully.

What verse in 9?

 

[SBC]

I think the argument is over what "and sin no more" means. I compare it to "nobody goes there any more because it's too crowded". If you get my drift.

Conversation over, okay by me.
Wasn't arguing. Just stating my view.
BTW, "sin nor move" does not mean "sinless".
Sinless is never having had or been sin.
And "sin no more", agree, people do not
largely understand it thus avoid it.

God Bless,
SBC

 

[SBC]

Right, we do not commit sins anymore, because the desire is dead.

Then, what is your speaking about you committing sin mean?

God Bless,
SBC

 

[SeventyOne]

Peter was forgiven of his sins. And crucified with Christ.

What sin does a dead body commit against God?
And what sin was God accusing Peter of?

God Bless,
SBC

It's an amazing thing. I've asked people who hold your position to explain how then Peter sinned as recorded by Paul. It's almost like they find the passage is incomprehensible, as if I relayed it in hieroglyphs.

What sin is God accusing Peter of? Really? Hypocrisy.

 

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Peter was forgiven of his sins. And crucified with Christ.

What sin does a dead body commit against God?
And what sin was God accusing Peter of?

God Bless,
SBC

No offense, but I thought that scripture was pretty clear. However, your mentioning "God accusing" suggests you are thinking that maybe the author's words are not the word of God, but of the author. Which brings up an interesting question: Which is more true:
1. The bible is the word of God.
2. The bible contains the word of God.

 

[1stcenturylady]

Then, what is your speaking about you committing sin mean?

God Bless,
SBC

You believe talking about the difference between willful sins and unintentional sins is hogwash. I don't. Scripture shows the difference. I said I do not commit willful sins.

 

[SBC]

I'm not addressing anything you said specifically. It's just that I've noticed people do use the one verse in 1 John to suggest a Christian can be sinless,

1 John 3 does not suggest a person can be sinless.

That comment is typically what OTHER CLAIM the person is claiming.
Notice, you brought up the "sinless".
I didn't. Nor have I claimed such a thing.

Think about it.
How can a person be forgiven OF SIN, if they are claiming to be SIN-LESS?

God Bless,
SBC

 

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What verse in 9?

Oops. I meant 7. Starting in verse 13

 

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1 John 3 does not suggest a person can be sinless.

That comment is typically what OTHER CLAIM the person is claiming.
Notice, you brought up the "sinless".
I didn't. Nor have I claimed such a thing.

Think about it.
How can a person be forgiven OF SIN, if they are claiming to be SIN-LESS?

God Bless,
SBC

I was responding to what 1stcentury was saying... Ignore.

 

[SBC]

No offense, but I thought that scripture was pretty clear. However, your mentioning "God accusing" suggests you are thinking that maybe the author's words are not the word of God, but of the author. Which brings up an interesting question: Which is more true:
1. The bible is the word of God.
2. The bible contains the word of God.

Scripture is full of words of God accusing.
The Bible contains many words of God and otherwise of men speaking His word, on behalf of God, on behalf of themselves, and all approved of/by God.

God Bless,
SBC

 

[1stcenturylady]

Oops. I meant 7. Starting in verse 13

I already told you in #479. It was talking about the trouble we have with only the Law, before Christ died.

 

[SBC]

It's an amazing thing. I've asked people who hold your position to explain how then Peter sinned as recorded by Paul. It's almost like they find the passage is incomprehensible, as if I relayed it in hieroglyphs.

What sin is God accusing Peter of? Really? Hypocrisy.

Where you say God is accusing, I only find man, and specifically named, is the accuser.
You explain how God is the supposed accuser.

God Bless,
SBC

 

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Scripture is full of words of God accusing.
The Bible contains many words of God and otherwise of men speaking His word, on behalf of God, on behalf of themselves, and all approved of/by God.

God Bless,
SBC

'cept of course when Paul specifically says that what he is saying is NOT of God, but him speaking.