The Book of Enoch?

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I always assumed Gadreel was a Watcher and this was describing some post-Edenic temptation and sin for Eve.
Well, Enoch explains that the Watchers descended in the days of Jared, and in that portion referred to where Gadreel is named, there are other names which can only be evil spirits, or "satans". That is also a remnant with a part missing, which I suppose will turn up someday.
In the Word, Abbadon/Destruction is a satan in charge of Sheol, and he got that authority when Adam fell, and not before, for the entire creation was perfect and there was no first death -separation from the Glory- or corruption of the flesh of all in which is the breath of life, before Adam fell.
That there is a chief of the satans is plain [Prince Mastema =prince of the satans, in Hebrew}, and that he has a host of evil angels created for him to reign over and they are in heaven and have control over earth but not unless God gives them permission, is the doctrine of Enoch and the OT.
In the OT, they are called "evil spirits" and they are in heaven (and still are), and they have their authority only from God the Creator to do what they do, because of the fall of the first, firstborn son of God (Luke 3:38), who was given the rule over it all -and lost it...

I totally believe that Genesis 3:15 is where the Chief Satan and his host of evil angels got the authority to curse this creation with the corruption of all flesh [eating dust =corrupting all flesh, in which is the breath of life], and "going belly of earth" -Sheol did not exist until that time, and it burst out in the belly of the earth, right then and there, and the chief over it is the satan/evil spirit named Abaddon/Destroyer and he is the satan who is the king of Sheol, and will be, until the end of that "first death", when it is cast into the Lake of Fire in the regeneration of all things. The Hebrew is translated badly because of the loss of the Book of Enoch, for so long in the western world, methinks.
God uses the evil angels to curse, and they do His will:
Psa 78:49
He cast upon them the fierceness of his anger, wrath, and indignation, and trouble, by sending evil angels among them.
 
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I just remembered something that has puzzled me... Enoch 85:5 indicates Eve went to live with Cain in the land of Nod. Perhaps she felt sorry for him that his punishment was too much to bear? Anyway one way to read the passage is that Cain had children by his mother. Sounds bad. If that's the right way to read this, it would answer that question we've heard so often, "Where did Cain get his wife"?
No, I think that part of the dream visions shows that there was a black sister that went with Cain, a virgin sister, which is the meaning of heifer....sisters aren't mentioned in the telling of Cain and Abel, but that's the only place offspring could come from...
Here, from the passage, compliment of your web site, is the rest:
"" 6And that cow , that first one [Eve, not a virgin, but a cow], went from the presence of that first bull in order to seek that red one [sought Abel], but found him not, and lamented with a great lamentation over him and sought him. 7And I looked till that first bull [Adam] came to her and quieted her, and from that time onward she cried no more.

8"And after that she bore another white bull [Seth], and after him she bore many bulls and black cows. 9And I saw in my sleep that white bull likewise grow and become a great white bull, and from him proceeded many white bulls, and they resembled him. 10 And they began to beget many white bulls, which resembled them, one following the other, even many.

This portion of the totemic dream visions of Enoch shows that Eve was black, Adam white [A-dam is contracted from adamah, and blood, dam, and ground, so Adam was life got from the earth/Adamah].
Cain had a black sister, a virgin, who came after him, and Abel was red -like Shem- and the Adam race was mixed colors all the time, until the separation of the gene pool began to isolate genetic information after the dispersion whcih began at the fall of the tower of Babel.
Seth's sons were listed as white bulls, but Noah had white, black, and red sons, like Adam, and probably then, a black wife, who was descended from Methusaleh.
 
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Well, Enoch explains that the Watchers descended in the days of Jared, and in that portion referred to where Gadreel is named, there are other names which can only be evil spirits, or "satans". <snip>
Why do you say the other names could only be evil spirits?
 
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No, I think that part of the dream visions shows that there was a black sister that went with Cain, a virgin sister, which is the meaning of heifer....sisters aren't mentioned in the telling of Cain and Abel, but that's the only place offspring could come from...
Here, from the passage, compliment of your web site, is the rest:
"" 6And that cow , that first one [Eve, not a virgin, but a cow], went from the presence of that first bull in order to seek that red one [sought Abel], but found him not, and lamented with a great lamentation over him and sought him. 7And I looked till that first bull [Adam] came to her and quieted her, and from that time onward she cried no more.

8"And after that she bore another white bull [Seth], and after him she bore many bulls and black cows. 9And I saw in my sleep that white bull likewise grow and become a great white bull, and from him proceeded many white bulls, and they resembled him. 10 And they began to beget many white bulls, which resembled them, one following the other, even many.<snip>
Aha! Thanks. Always pays to pay attention to the context by reading a little further! :)
 
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Why do you say the other names could only be evil spirits?
Well, I wondered about that when we went through Enoch in a study the first time, but as I wrote in my post, the watchers did not descend to stay in bodies of flesh and get offspring by the daughters of Adam until the days of Jared. That is when 200 first did that deed, and before that, there were no fallen watchers, or Enoch would have said. That is also where Mount Zion of the north got named Mount Hermon, because of the oath they took there in the days of Jared.
Moses said some more did that after the flood, but the ones who were chained at the flood who messed with the DNA of their Adam wives' eggs {split genes], so as to insert their own fallen spirits for offspring, were those same 200 hundred that descended in the days of Jared, who took the oath to be cursed from entering their own domain forever after. Jude says they were chained for fornication the same as Sodom and Gomorrah were nuked for fornication, for Jude says both went after "strange" flesh...and they were both made examples of, as warnings.
Warnings to the watchers and warnings to the Adam race were given the first time in those two instances, to not do wicked and unholy fornication...some more angels and more in the Adam race have done it, but the examples are there to warn them.

Also, the Book of Enoch shows that there are many evil spirits in heaven, called the satans, or accusers, and one chief [the book of Jubilees calls him "Mastema/the prince of the satans"], and they tempt, deceive, and accuse the sons of Adam before the throne, so as to get permission to try them.
They can't tempt one who belongs to God without His permission, though, as we see in Job and in the history book of Jasher [when Satan asked to try Abraham and God gave him permission], and when Jesus said Satan asked for Peter, that he may sift him like wheat, and Jesus gave permission, and prayed for Peter...

Then, the satans got authority over earth to curse every creature in which is the breath of life at the time of the fall of Adam, but Jesus has reversed the curse and though our bodies must die or be regenerated at the rapture, we are not going to be held in the separation from the Glory, which is the first death, whether living in our Adam cursed bodies or departed from them.
The whole earth is groaning for the manifestation of the sons of God, and we see in Revelation that every creature in earth and under the earth and in the sea is praising the Lamb for the release from the curse.
 
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Fine, you want to believe it.

But it still boils down to:

"Is it in the canon of scripture?"

No?

Then it cannot be accepted, and it cannot be taught as truth.

Period!

God Bless

Till all are one.
 
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Well, I wondered about that when we went through Enoch in a study the first time, but as I wrote in my post, the watchers did not descend to stay in bodies of flesh and get offspring by the daughters of Adam until the days of Jared. That is when 200 first did that deed, and before that, there were no fallen watchers, or Enoch would have said. That is also where Mount Zion of the north got named Mount Hermon, because of the oath they took there in the days of Jared.
Moses said some more did that after the flood, but the ones who were chained at the flood who messed with the DNA of their Adam wives' eggs {split genes], so as to insert their own fallen spirits for offspring, were those same 200 hundred that descended in the days of Jared, who took the oath to be cursed from entering their own domain forever after. Jude says they were chained for fornication the same as Sodom and Gomorrah were nuked for fornication, for Jude says both went after "strange" flesh...and they were both made examples of, as warnings.
Warnings to the watchers and warnings to the Adam race were given the first time in those two instances, to not do wicked and unholy fornication...some more angels and more in the Adam race have done it, but the examples are there to warn them.

Also, the Book of Enoch shows that there are many evil spirits in heaven, called the satans, or accusers, and one chief [the book of Jubilees calls him "Mastema/the prince of the satans"], and they tempt, deceive, and accuse the sons of Adam before the throne, so as to get permission to try them.
They can't tempt one who belongs to God without His permission, though, as we see in Job and in the history book of Jasher [when Satan asked to try Abraham and God gave him permission], and when Jesus said Satan asked for Peter, that he may sift him like wheat, and Jesus gave permission, and prayed for Peter...

Then, the satans got authority over earth to curse every creature in which is the breath of life at the time of the fall of Adam, but Jesus has reversed the curse and though our bodies must die or be regenerated at the rapture, we are not going to be held in the separation from the Glory, which is the first death, whether living in our Adam cursed bodies or departed from them.
The whole earth is groaning for the manifestation of the sons of God, and we see in Revelation that every creature in earth and under the earth and in the sea is praising the Lamb for the release from the curse.
So, why do you say the other names could only be evil spirits?
 
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So, why do you say the other names could only be evil spirits?
I think there is an elipse between 69:3, and 4, because it doesn't go with the watchers duties, which were to do good for the Adam race...These guys from 4 through 12 teach only evil, while the fallen watchers do evil, and beget evil spirits on earth with Adam flesh, by gene spliting/cutting of roots.

This part was a portion from Noah's writing, also, and I think in verse 11 Noah laments grandly the having to "make many books", like Solomon did:)
Jeqon led astray all the sons of God -the holy watchers are intended who did fall, not all the angels.
Asbeel also imparted to the holy sons of God evil counsel, and led them astray....Gadreel ...led astray Eve,
and taught war to the sons of Adam...
Penemue taught the sons of Adam all the secrets of their wisdom, and etc...

In 54:6, the hosts of Azazel ( I believe Shem jaza is the same watcher) were led astray by the evil angels/satans, and became subject to them. That the satans are evil angels in heaven with one chief is a theme one can search out in Enoch and in the OT.
Remember the evil angels killed the firstborn of Egypt, and yet, they served God in cursing the Egyptians, just as they serve God in "sifting" the sons of Adam, as we see Satan did to Peter, in the NT.
So there are many of them, a whole army of them, and they are called "angels/messengers", and evil ones who are in heaven and are principalities and powers of darkness in high places, and they all have names.
God names all the sons of God and all the evil angels. The chief Satan is called "The Prince of Darkness" and the lake of fire was made for him and his angels. His kingdom is where he will reign forever with his own hosts, shut in there and never going out again, and so, they gotta get all their food laid up for eternity in their kingdom, for Enoch shows that their food and drink is to torment, there. Jesus calls them "The Tormenters" who reign over the prison where the unrepentant are cast. But they also torment the offspring of the fallen Watchers, along with the fallen watchers, and all the unrepentant offspring of Adam...that is their food and drink, and anyone who falls prey to them becomes their subjects in the kingdom of darkness, the Lake of Fire....
Anyway, I hope I have shown why I have this understanding myself. It makes most sense to me, in context of the Book of Enoch, the Gospels, the Revelation of Jesus Christ and even Jubilees [which I do not believe is inspired, but useful information like "Prince Mastema" is in there, and got from some other history, else it wouldn't be there, in my opinion]...
In Enoch 15, 8-12, the disembodied offspring of the watchers and daughters of Adam will be evil spirits on earth, but the "spirits of heaven, in heaven shall be their dwelling" -at least until Michael and his angels fight that last battle and cast them all out and down:)
Gadreel has to be a Satan, because no holy Watcher had fallen when Eve was tempted, and those guys led astray those holy watchers who fell.
Anyway, there are only 5 names given in that list, and some led astray the holy watchers...
 
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Fine, you want to believe it.

But it still boils down to:

"Is it in the canon of scripture?"

No?

Then it cannot be accepted, and it cannot be taught as truth.

Period!

God Bless

Till all are one.
According to Deuteronomy 13, it can be taught as truth, because it fulfills that test. Not to mention it's referenced in the bible as truth on a couple different occasions, by Jude, Paul And Jesus.
 
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According to Deuteronomy 13, it can be taught as truth, because it fulfills that test. Not to mention it's referenced in the bible as truth on a couple different occasions, by Jude, Paul And Jesus.
Paul and James/Jacob, the womb brother of Jesus, also teach things found only in the Book of Enoch, which the learned of their day knew. Barnabus, the called Apostle with Paul, and sister to Mary who was the mother of John Mark, also called it "Scripture".
In many places in the so called "second canon", Enoch is referred to, and his revelations are mentioned.
 
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Fine, you want to believe it.

But it still boils down to:

"Is it in the canon of scripture?"

No?

Then it cannot be accepted, and it cannot be taught as truth.

Period!

God Bless

Till all are one.
And this is the answer.

Garbage in - garbage out people. It's not canon.

God does not guarantee non-canon anything to be worthy for correction or leading to righteousness.
 
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And this is the answer.

Garbage in - garbage out people. It's not canon.

God does not guarantee non-canon anything to be worthy for correction or leading to righteousness.
Show me the verse where God endorses the canon? Also, show me the verse where books that are endorsed as scripture by Jesus, Jude, and Paul are condemned?
 
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Show me the verse where God endorses the canon? Also, show me the verse where books that are endorsed as scripture by Jesus, Jude, and Paul are condemned?
What are you talking about?

There is no Book of Enoch? Did you read the post I replied to or just jumping on some bandwagon and I'm around?
 
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And this is the answer.

Garbage in - garbage out people. It's not canon.

God does not guarantee non-canon anything to be worthy for correction or leading to righteousness.
Enoch is "canon" in the Ethiopian Orthodox Church...
Enoch has always been read by the righteous and the seekers of wisdom from God, since he penned it and gave it to Methuselah, his son, who companioned and preached with Noah, and Noah had ample time to make his own copies of the book of Enoch, as did his sons.
Noah and Shem [Shem outlived Abraham, dying when Jacob was 50 years old], took Abram in to hide him from Nimrod for 29 years, and taught him about God. From them, Abraham had his own copy of the Book of Enoch, which he read to the wise men of Pharaoh who returned Sarah to him and asked him to teach them "wisdom, values, and truth". Abraham then read to them from the book of Enoch, as is recorded in his own words in the DSS, in what is termed the "Genesis Apocryphon", and viola! Egypt then began worship of the "one true God", the hidden in heaven God, who made all things, and is "Truth"! They called him "The Amen", and wrote properly of him, but then, as all nations did, who once knew God, they backslid.

Romans 3:21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.

24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

Jesus says He is "The Amen" in Revelation 3:14 “And to the angel of the church of the Laodiceans[f] write,
‘These things says the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness...

YHWH also says He will bring Egypt back to Him -for they once knew Him, because Abraham taught them from the book of Enoch, and they worshiped Him as the Hidden in heaven God, the Amen. In the beginning of Egypt's worship of Him, they worshiped Him exactly as Enoch portrayed Him, because he alone saw Him, but Romans 3 shows that all men once knew Him, and turned away, to worship things created, instead of the Creator, in Truth...

But Egypt is to be brought back to Him, who is The Amen, who is revealed now, and not hidden any longer, since He is come in flesh, and they will return to Him as Isaiah 19 proclaims. They will "RETURN" to Him whom they once knew as "The Amen", when Abraham read to them to teach them from the Book of Enoch!

18 In that day five cities in the land of Egypt will speak the language of Canaan and swear by the Lord of hosts; one will be called the City of Destruction.

19 In that day there will be an altar to the Lord in the midst of the land of Egypt, and a pillar to the Lord at its border. 20 And it will be for a sign and for a witness to the Lord of hosts in the land of Egypt; for they will cry to the Lord because of the oppressors, and He will send them a Savior and a Mighty One, and He will deliver them.
21 Then the Lord will be known to Egypt, and the Egyptians will know the Lord in that day, and will make sacrifice and offering; yes, they will make a vow to the Lord and perform it.

22 And the Lord will strike Egypt, He will strike and heal it;
they will return to the Lord,
and He will be entreated by them and heal them.

23 In that day there will be a highway from Egypt to Assyria, and the Assyrian will come into Egypt and the Egyptian into Assyria, and the Egyptians will serve with the Assyrians.

24 In that day Israel will be one of three with Egypt and Assyria—a blessing in the midst of the land, 25 whom the Lord of hosts shall bless, saying, “Blessed is Egypt My people, and Assyria the work of My hands, and Israel My inheritance.”
 
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What are you talking about?

There is no Book of Enoch? Did you read the post I replied to or just jumping on some bandwagon and I'm around?
I read it, and the post you responded to, but the fact that the book of enoch talks about things that couldn't of been possibly known before Jesus walked the earth, yet it existed thousands of years prior, means that it's truth. Especially since it was written for us, to help us in this the last of days, and yet, the things it talks about and predicted, not only happened scripturally, but have also historically been proven to have been factual as well. Not only that, but the things it talks about in Antarctica, and the continents, have come true, and these came true within the last 500-70 years.
 
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Enoch is "canon" in the Ethiopian Orthodox Church...
Enoch has always been read by the righteous and the seekers of wisdom from God, since he penned it and gave it to Methuselah, his son, who companioned and preached with Noah, and Noah had ample time to make his own copies of the book of Enoch, as did his sons.
Noah and Shem [Shem outlived Abraham, dying when Jacob was 50 years old], took Abram in to hide him from Nimrod for 29 years, and taught him about God. From them, Abraham had his own copy of the Book of Enoch, which he read to the wise men of Pharaoh who returned Sarah to him and asked him to teach them "wisdom, values, and truth". Abraham then read to them from the book of Enoch, as is recorded in his own words in the DSS, in what is termed the "Genesis Apocryphon", and viola! Egypt then began worship of the "one true God", the hidden in heaven God, who made all things, and is "Truth"! They called him "The Amen", and wrote properly of him, but then, as all nations did, who once knew God, they backslid.

Isaiah 19: 21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.

24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

Jesus says He is "The Amen" in Revelation 3:14 “And to the angel of the church of the Laodiceans[f] write,
‘These things says the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness...

YHWH also says He will bring Egypt back to Him -for they once knew Him, because Abraham taught them from the book of Enoch, and they worshiped Him as the Hidden in heaven God, the Amen. In the beginning of Egypt's worship of Him, they worshiped Him exactly as Enoch portrayed Him, because he alone saw Him, but Romans 3 shows that all men once knew Him, and turned away, to worship things created, instead of the Creator, in Truth...

But Egypt is to be brought back to Him, who is The Amen, who is revealed now, and not hidden any longer, since He is come in flesh, and they will return to Him as Isaiah 19 proclaims. They will "RETURN" to Him whom they once knew as "The Amen", when Abraham read to them to teach them from the Book of Enoch!

18 In that day five cities in the land of Egypt will speak the language of Canaan and swear by the Lord of hosts; one will be called the City of Destruction.

19 In that day there will be an altar to the Lord in the midst of the land of Egypt, and a pillar to the Lord at its border. 20 And it will be for a sign and for a witness to the Lord of hosts in the land of Egypt; for they will cry to the Lord because of the oppressors, and He will send them a Savior and a Mighty One, and He will deliver them.
21 Then the Lord will be known to Egypt, and the Egyptians will know the Lord in that day, and will make sacrifice and offering; yes, they will make a vow to the Lord and perform it.

22 And the Lord will strike Egypt, He will strike and heal it;
they will return to the Lord,
and He will be entreated by them and heal them.

23 In that day there will be a highway from Egypt to Assyria, and the Assyrian will come into Egypt and the Egyptian into Assyria, and the Egyptians will serve with the Assyrians.

24 In that day Israel will be one of three with Egypt and Assyria—a blessing in the midst of the land, 25 whom the Lord of hosts shall bless, saying, “Blessed is Egypt My people, and Assyria the work of My hands, and Israel My inheritance.”
I always knew that there had to have been more that worshipped YHWH before Israel, idk how to describe how I knew, but I always had a feeling. I'm just getting through the book of Enoch, and all I see is non-stop undeniable truths that line up with both history, and scripture. The enemy has done a number on us. I truly believe that the book of Enoch, and other extra biblical texts give 50% more of an understanding - and much more in some cases - of scripture. I hope to one day be as well versed as you though, for sure, keep reading! Was a delight reading that response!
 
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Enoch was accepted by Jude the brother of the Christ, personally trained by Jesus Himself.
Enoch was rejected by the pharisees who Jesus and John called sons of the devil.
i think i will go with Jude and accept Enoch as scripture rather than agree with the sons of the devil.
i could care less if a council says its canon. councils are of man. it was councils that declared crusades, burning villages with women and children, declaring a doctrine of discovery to justify mass genocide on native americans.
 
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Enoch is "canon" in the Ethiopian Orthodox Church...
Enoch has always been read by the righteous and the seekers of wisdom from God, since he penned it and gave it to Methuselah, his son, who companioned and preached with Noah, and Noah had ample time to make his own copies of the book of Enoch, as did his sons.
Noah and Shem [Shem outlived Abraham, dying when Jacob was 50 years old], took Abram in to hide him from Nimrod for 29 years, and taught him about God. From them, Abraham had his own copy of the Book of Enoch, which he read to the wise men of Pharaoh who returned Sarah to him and asked him to teach them "wisdom, values, and truth". Abraham then read to them from the book of Enoch, as is recorded in his own words in the DSS, in what is termed the "Genesis Apocryphon", and viola! Egypt then began worship of the "one true God", the hidden in heaven God, who made all things, and is "Truth"! They called him "The Amen", and wrote properly of him, but then, as all nations did, who once knew God, they backslid.

Isaiah 19: 21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.

24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

Jesus says He is "The Amen" in Revelation 3:14 “And to the angel of the church of the Laodiceans[f] write,
‘These things says the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness...

YHWH also says He will bring Egypt back to Him -for they once knew Him, because Abraham taught them from the book of Enoch, and they worshiped Him as the Hidden in heaven God, the Amen. In the beginning of Egypt's worship of Him, they worshiped Him exactly as Enoch portrayed Him, because he alone saw Him, but Romans 3 shows that all men once knew Him, and turned away, to worship things created, instead of the Creator, in Truth...

But Egypt is to be brought back to Him, who is The Amen, who is revealed now, and not hidden any longer, since He is come in flesh, and they will return to Him as Isaiah 19 proclaims. They will "RETURN" to Him whom they once knew as "The Amen", when Abraham read to them to teach them from the Book of Enoch!

18 In that day five cities in the land of Egypt will speak the language of Canaan and swear by the Lord of hosts; one will be called the City of Destruction.

19 In that day there will be an altar to the Lord in the midst of the land of Egypt, and a pillar to the Lord at its border. 20 And it will be for a sign and for a witness to the Lord of hosts in the land of Egypt; for they will cry to the Lord because of the oppressors, and He will send them a Savior and a Mighty One, and He will deliver them.
21 Then the Lord will be known to Egypt, and the Egyptians will know the Lord in that day, and will make sacrifice and offering; yes, they will make a vow to the Lord and perform it.

22 And the Lord will strike Egypt, He will strike and heal it;
they will return to the Lord,
and He will be entreated by them and heal them.

23 In that day there will be a highway from Egypt to Assyria, and the Assyrian will come into Egypt and the Egyptian into Assyria, and the Egyptians will serve with the Assyrians.

24 In that day Israel will be one of three with Egypt and Assyria—a blessing in the midst of the land, 25 whom the Lord of hosts shall bless, saying, “Blessed is Egypt My people, and Assyria the work of My hands, and Israel My inheritance.”

Paul quoted from outside the scriptures too.

Does that mean that Greek poetry, especially those Paul quoted should be in the canon too?

Enoch 81 says Enoch was allowed to return to the earth to recover and teach his children what he had learned.

Jesus specifically refuted that.

Still, the canon closed 400+ years before Christ was born.

We are not going to open the canon just to include it.

And no matter what you say, nothing is going to change that.

Enoch is "canon" in the Ethiopian Orthodox Church...

Fine, go join yourself to an Ethiopian Orthodox church then.

God Bless

Till all are one.
 
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Paul quoted from outside the scriptures too.

Does that mean that Greek poetry, especially those Paul quoted should be in the canon too?

did Paul quote greek poets as scripture or greek poets?

Enoch 81 says Enoch was allowed to return to the earth to recover and teach his children what he had learned.

Jesus specifically refuted that.

God Bless

Till all are one.

what teaching of Jesus are you referring to?

cool profile pic btw. Blondieeeee!
 
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I said previously:

"The Book of Enoch proves the New Testament writers were/are lying to us.

Shocked?

Let me prove it.

In John 3:13, we read:

"And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven."

John Gill comments:

"John 3:13

And no man hath ascended into heaven
Though Enoch and Elias had, yet not by their own power, nor in the sense our Lord designs; whose meaning is, that no man had, or could go up to heaven, to bring from thence the knowledge of divine and heavenly things; in which sense the phrase is used in ( Deuteronomy 30:12 ) ( Romans 10:6 ) , and which may be illustrated by ( John 1:18 ) ; wherefore inasmuch as Nicodemus had acknowledged Christ to he a teacher come from God, our Lord, would have him know, that he was the only teacher of heavenly things, as being the only person that had been in heaven, and in the bosom of the Father; and therefore, if he, and the rest of the Jews, did not receive instructions from him, they must for ever remain ignorant; for there never had been, nor was, nor could be, any mere man that could go up to heaven, and learn the mysteries of God, and of the kingdom of heaven, and return and instruct men in them:"

Source

Yet Enoch teaches contrary to the New Testament saying:

"And he said to me: “Oh Enoch, look at the book of the Tablets of Heaven and read what is written upon them, and note every individual fact. And I looked at everything that was written and I noted everything. And I read the book and everything that was written in it, all the deeds of men, and all the children of flesh who will be upon the Earth, for all the generations of eternity. And then I immediately blessed the Lord, the Eternal King of Glory, in that he has made all the works of the world, and I praised the Lord because of his patience, and I blessed him on account of the sons of Adam. And at that time I said: “Blessed is the man who dies righteous and good, concerning whom no book of iniquity has been written, and against whom no guilt has been found. And these three Holy ones brought me and set me on the earth in front of the door of my house, and said to me: “Tell everything to your son Methuselah, and show all your children that no flesh is righteous, before the Lord, for He created them. For one year we will leave you with your children, until you have regained your strength, so that you may teach your children and write these things down for them, and testify to all your children. And in the second year we will take you from amongst them." -Enoch 80:1-7

And not only that, but taken "as is", Enoch was taken up twice!

Again, I ask anybody to show scripture to support this.

Show mw in scripture where it states that Enoch was taken up, allowed to return for one year, then taken up again.

God Bless

Till all are one.
 
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